Endless wars, torturers free, billions for criminal banks, no single payer

[TheMachineWins]

Nothing is changing and nothing will change until those 4 topics are addressed. People bicker about these things daily and yet these things are not changing. Propaganda tells us it's all changing but it's not. People tell us to wait, but how long? People say there isn't enough evidence but there is plenty. People say there are no numbers but there are plenty. We are a fascist state, ruled by corporations who have more rights and laws that we the people do.

[blogslut]

1. Oy

Well, there you go. All is lost.

[TheMachineWins]

2. Not if you're a 1%er.

Otherwise, the entire financial system has collapsed, the only thing holding it up is the gov't through the use of propaganda and the 99%ers taxes. Freedom and representative democracy are lost, replaced with servitude, indebtedness and usury. Watch 1 person in any family get seriously ill and watch what happens to that family.

[blogslut]

4. If you live in America,

You're a 10%er.

Look, I know things are bad but if you live here, you really don't know bad.

[Greyhound]

22. Is that why nearly everyone in the rest of the first world thinks we're insane?

Is your argument that because there are worse places we should be grateful for the scraps we're still allowed to fight each other for?

[blogslut]

24. No

What I'm saying is this country has had it worse. There was a time when the skies were practically black and children worked for a living with no public education. There was no social security or FICA or the EPA.

The majority of Americans are among the top ten percentile when it comes to the world's wages. That includes even poor, poverty-level folk like me.

Things are bad but they are not hopeless and they will change for the better, then worse, then better, then worse, ad infinitum.

Our jobs is to keep fighting for the better of all humanity. The day we give up is the day it's over for each and every one of us.

[Greyhound]

26. You may have noticed that it has been in steady decline for nearly half a century.

Meanwhile the rest of the first-world has made steady improvements. We used to really be the best, and then we stopped paying attention and/or turned inward. Your/our poverty level income is worse than those of similar means in every other first-world nation because we have no foundation, no standard below which we can fall.

Wages are a poor gauge, if not completely insignificant, of quality of life.

Nobody has suggested that we give up, but refusing to even consider the source of our ongoing demise and deluding ourselves that "things will get better" is worse than doing nothing at all.

We have what may be our last chance to turn it around and we're pissing it away because we "hope" it will hurt a little less to let somebody else tell us what to do.

[JackRiddler]

34. Which means what? Be happy when the bankers plunder our well-fed, middle class ass?

[cali]

3. quite a bit has changed

pitiful that you're so dedicated to viewing things through a narrow prism that you can't see that. some of you guys are like small children who want what they want right the fuck now!

silly little post there, champ.

[Fumesucker]

5. Wait until it is your family circling the drain..

I suspect you might have a bit more sympathy then.

[Maru Kitteh]

28. newsflash: Obama does NOT HAVE - I repeat - DOES NOT HAVE A MAGIC ASS

Some people seem to think he could just waltz in, wave his ass over a map of the country and grant every progressive wish, everywhere.

It isn't going to happen as fast as we want, and often, NEED. But let's compare and contrast to the last 8 years. G.W.Bush = NO HOPE AT ALL.

[Fumesucker]

29. Like I said..

Wait until it is *your* family.

Until then I expect to see more scathing posts aimed at people who are in grief.

You get to the point that hope is too damn painful, it's easier not to have any than to have have hope and it be snatched away.

[Mythsaje]

6. Maybe we just want evidence

that the "deciders" give a fuck what we want.

[xiamiam]

7. why attack him...its a tiresome thing..these are his feelings and he is not alone

yet you think you KNOW ..but you dont..none of us do...we hope..but a lot of these aspects of the narrow little prism are eroding that hope...

[cali]

9. because it's simply not true that nothing has changed.

it's a meme that should be challenged.

[Fumesucker]

11. For a great many of us it's going to be too little and too slow..

Allow those whose families are on the way down the drain a moment of grief.

I found out today that my adult daughter may have breast cancer, we are just terrified that insurance will not be adequate, on top of the terrors of cancer itself.

[TheMachineWins]

21. Sorry to hear that

My sister went through 1/2 a million dollars paying for my mother and that is after insurance but it was not for cancer, it was and still is for elderly care. Living a long time in this country means a tremendous burden for the entire family to carry until all the money runs out, it's predatory capitalism and all a person can do is scheme and try to hide as much information as possible from the predators.

[Fumesucker]

37. Thanks for your kind words..

I agree about hiding as much as possible from the predators, my son in law just had to do that with his grandmother a couple of years ago and it truly sucks.

This country is so screwed up in so many ways.

[dgibby]

31. So sorry to hear about your daughter.

I feel for you. I just found out that my adult niece has been diagnosed with lymphoma. She had just gotten out of an abusive marriage and was rebuilding her life. In addition, she lost her job due to downsizing 3 days before she got her diagnosis. She still has some insurance, but I seriously doubt it'll be enough to cover what is coming.

In addition, she's now in the "pre-existing condition" category, so she won't be eligible for another/better policy IF and/or WHEN she's able to work again. Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma is a chronic, incurable disease, so she's in for a long, hard journey.

My heart breaks for her and your daughter,too. No one should have to go through a life threating disease AND have to worry about/fight the system at the same time.

[Fumesucker]

36. Thanks for the kind words..

We are not in as bad a shape as your niece, my son in law has a union job that brings in good money and has good insurance but we're still sweating things. She goes in for the biopsy on the twenty ninth so we should know something more concrete a few days after that, not knowing is really tough.

What makes it really hard on me emotionally is that my mother died from metastasized breast cancer about forty years ago, that was horrible and I find myself reliving it again.

Best of luck to your niece, it sounds like she is going to need it.

[xiamiam]

14. many things are changing..many are not...some of us are concerned

and frustrated...there are definitely issues to be questioned..i remain hopeful but the truth is that a lot of disappointing things have happened in the past several months...great things as well...but some very disturbing events ..wall street, geithner,summers, torture, no support of durbins cramdown bill etc...you just cant deny that there are issues which are puzzling and disappointing to many of us here...

[slay]

8. We do not all HAVE to agree with YOU - the facts stated in the OP's title are FACTS

"Endless wars, torturers free, billions for criminal banks, no single payer" - In what reality do you live where we are not in endless wars, the people who ordered torture are in prison, we didn't give over 700 billion (with a B) to the banks, and where we have single payer health care? I'd like to know cause I'd like to come live there.

Feel free to continue to belittle and insult those who feel differently though. You only hurt yourself in the end.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

18. pretty damn cold there, champ

*sigh*

[underseasurveyor]

25. A par post.

Belittling, smarmy and oh so much smarter/better than anyone else.

[dgibby]

32. Well, at least she's consistent.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

30. Riveting words of wisdom from Pollyanna Cali

Lighten the tint in those rose colored glasses
for the better to see 'things' silly girl.
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"Sehr interessant . . . aber dumm!"
--Arte "Wolfgang" Johnson

[Joe the Liberal]

10. We're not a fascist state......

if anything we're closer to a Corporatocracy or a Plutocracy.

[Name removed]

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[fascisthunter]

13. Corporatocracy is Fascism

[HCE SuiGeneris]

19. *ding!*

[spanone]

15. blah blah blah blah

nwmhtt

[slay]

16. K&R

Sorry so many people would rather attack you personally or write non-sense posts - you raise some very vaild points - some would rather just bury their heads in the sand it seems. :shrug:

[SnoopDog]

17. You are 100 percent correct...

Until the People understand that it is not 'of the people for the people'... it is of the corporation.

There are those who understand what is going on and those who just don't get it yet.

[bridgit]

20. yup, it's fuckered alright

[Greyhound]

23. K&R One party with two right wings perpetuating the illusion of choice. n/t

[asteroid2003QQ47]

27. Spot on! n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

33. Absolutely right!

[leftofthedial]

35. Very little is changing.

We do not live in the country we think we live in. Very little *can* change within the current system.