I'm too smart to be a blind cheerleader anymore

[TheMachineWins]

Obama's speech was great for a speech, he's the best speaker we've possibly ever had as a president. Speeches aren't action though, we are still a country that isn't holding torturers and conspirators to commit war responsible for their high crimes. We won't have single payer health care, we will still be a global warring country and we will still have criminal banks dictating the terms of our financial lives to us.

I'm sick of being lied to.

[countingbluecars]

1. Did you listen to the whole speech-

not just to the style but the words?

[zipplewrath]

3. I did

He said we were ramping up activities in Afghanistan, and nothing at all about Iraq. He didn't say anything about banks or bailouts. He didn't say anything about bringing torturers to justice.

[TheMachineWins]

4. No, I read the entire speech

It was linked here at DU. I support everything he said, including all the points of law he stated would be followed but I already supported all that before the criminal Bush regime broke all those laws. None of what Obama said has any meaning in the long-term if people are allowed to go unpunished for breaking all of the laws and regulations whenever they feel like it just because they are republicans or forgive all the crimes just because the are democrats. The talk of "law" means nothing when the laws will never be enforced and the criminals will never be held accountable.

[truedelphi]

34. Thanks for your wisdom.

I mean, if Cheney and Bush had shown up at a local Savings and Loan with their Gats and blown away people, Obama would not be able to say "We cannot look back."
But becasue the illegal one million dead in Iraq and the illegal detention of those in prisons across the world and at Gitmo (Obama has even kept secret renditions on his plate!) occurred outside of our sight, all those crimes are swept under the carpet.

While Obama's new Wall Street buddies celebrate their swindle of Nine Trillion bucks!

A few in Congress take note, such as Alan Grayson (D) of Florida. But most in Congress are bought out too!

[martymar64]

123. American eyes, American eyes, view the world through American eyes

Bury the past and rob us blind, and leave nothing behind.

Zach was right then, and he's right now.

[zipplewrath]

13. Self delete

dupe

[cali]

2. who suggested being a blind cheerleader? why were you one?

you're right words aren't actions, but it's way too early to judge his presidency. you're simply swinging wildly from one extreme to another. all emotion, no intellectual analysis.

[TheMachineWins]

6. It's not too early to prosecute, there's already plenty of evidence

Regardless of speeches or opinions or excuses, high crimes have been committed and there is clear, written, proven beyond a shadow of a doubt evidence of all of the crimes. The only thing that is not happening is prosecution.

[cali]

10. it may well be too early. you don't bring a case you can't win

not with this much riding on it. furthermore, from a historical perspective, it's very early days.

[mmonk]

19. And why couldn't it be won?

The laws are crystal clear.

[Solomon]

29. As a practicing lawyer for 30 years now, I can tell you, (of course

you don't have to believe me) but there is no such thing as an open and shut clear cut case. There just isn't. I've seen nightmares you would not want to believe.

[mmonk]

59. So when you aren't sure you have an open and shut case, you don't

take it to court?

[Fire1]

106. Solomon, don't you realize you're dealing with 'experts' here?

:sarcasm:

[JuniperLea]

43. Unless you are a constitutional lawyer...

And have a lot of experience practicing the same, I say you are really "woo woo" out there in your assumptions.

Obama's MO is to set them up, then knock them down. One might suggest you wait a nanosecond before shooting your mouth off.

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[kid a]

7. that must have sucked back in the day

[Cha]

8. Sucked

Big Time.

[TheMachineWins]

9. Back in what day, 2008 when I voted for Obama?

That was so long ago I can barely remember it, it must be that nagging thing I have called a conscience that won't allow me to just move on from torture, a conspiracy to commit war, propaganda and an entire culture of corruption that every single one of us has to deal with on a daily basis.

[cali]

11. so llet me ask again, why were you a blind, nindless little sycophantic

cheerleader? What did Obama say that mesmerized and duped you?

[Fumesucker]

12. He didn't dupe me at all..

I never believed a word, of course that is my position with all politicians..

Funny thing is, I wasn't born in Missouri either.

[TheMachineWins]

14. Cute but I'm not playing, I'm talking about high crimes against America

Torture and conspiracy to commit war are not being prosecuted and I will not blindly sit back and cheer lead anyone who dismisses them. I would love to be a cheerleader for Obama but I simply cannot be unless the worst crimes ever committed by our government are prosecuted. Is that clear? Are we clear? Do you want me to repeat it for 100 years if necessary because I will.

[countingbluecars]

15. I'm thinking you just wanted

to get in the Obama cheerleader insult. Perhaps you couldn't make your point without putting down those who have different opinions.

[TheMachineWins]

16. Here's a bigger point if you're looking for one, a quote by Chomsky:

"Historical amnesia is a dangerous phenomenon, not only because it undermines moral and intellectual integrity, but also because it lays the groundwork for crimes that still lie ahead."

As for me personally, I do want to be a cheerleader for Obama, I was a cheerleader for Obama, I voted for Obama and will still be a huge cheerleader for Obama if the Obama administration will take the necessary actions of prosecution of war criminals so it never happens again in my country, in my name or by my leaders. If war criminals are held accountable and prosecuted, I will be the biggest cheerleader any president has ever seen!

[RaleighNCDUer]

35. Maybe that's your problem - you WANT to be a cheerleader

instead of a thoughtful, informed citizen.

He's been in office for four months. NINETY TWO TO GO.

Has it occurred to you that maybe there are things going on quietly - quietly enough to keep the shredders from working overtime while they are gathering evidence? Look at the brouhahah around Pelosi and the CIA - right now it is all 'he said, she said' - but somewhere, someone has evidence of the truth. As long as the criminals think they are going to be vindicated by history, they will not destroy the evidence of their crimes.

You might allow a little time for that evidence to be found.

[sendero]

88. I've been hearing..

...variations on this theme since I came here many years ago. The Dem congress is going to stand up to the Repubs any day now.

What evidence do you have that Obama is setting up ANYTHING? He's not. Nothing is going to happen. It's like an unspoken agreement between presidents, NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

Obama does give one helluva speech. But on the action front, well disappointed would be an understatement, about the war, the economy, and coming to a citizen near you, about health care.

I like Obama but I think the economy will be horrid in 3 years and he will be a one term president as a result.

[SammyWinstonJack]

111. For me, it isn't about liking him or not liking him. I couldn't care less one way or the other. .

And his flowery speeches don't do anything for me, since it's becoming increasingly clear who his agenda benefits.

It's not the little people or the rule of law, etc.

Ever think that maybe he only wanted to be a one term president? I have thought that.

[stanwyck]

98. I think you've nailed it.

We have a cheerleader wannabe.
Time to grow up, Machine.
thanks, Raleigh. Excellent points.

[sniffa]

128. It sickens me that some DUers won't even let him unpack his bags

He hasn't even replaced Dubya's Oval Office Rug for fuck's sake.

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[lamp_shade]

17. Oh... I'm really surprised.

[TheMachineWins]

18. I'm going to start reporting people for harassment

Say something that pertains to what I posted, OK? Is that beyond you or are you only capable of insults?

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[azmouse]

Oh the irony!

:rofl:

[slay]

64. LOL. Now that is funny!

:rofl: Indeed.

[JuniperLea]

45. I'm sure cali is shaking in her boots...

[slay]

65. I don't see a cali.. i just see

Ignored. DU is a whole lot nicer, more enjoyable place without having to view her mean attacks on other DU members.

[JuniperLea]

66. She has a low tolerance for blatant stupidity

I don't always agree with her, but in this case, she is spot on.

[slay]

70. Well I just wish she could express it in a way that wasn't so mean

ya know? :shrug:

[Echo In Light]

74. Cali is a 'she?'

I've never bothered interacting with that poster very often due to the ridiculous degree of belligerence ...which I guess I mistakenly took to be male oriented?!

Bizarre. I've never put anyone on "ignore," but Cali is one that not only do I avoid interaction with, but usually, not always, but usually will not post in any thread started by her either.

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[Bluenorthwest]

85. That is the truth

If I had to see those vile words I'd have been gone from this place ages ago.

[Individualist]

89. Same here

:thumbsup:

[ForrestGump]

61. Speak for yourself

You violated this very code of honor with me, for example, below.

But I know the type. We all do.



Unless you're just being ironic. Not that I'm sure you have the necessary wiring for that...

[datasuspect]

20. if you're not for hope, you're against hope

[FiveGoodMen]

24. Are you for family and apple pie and puppies, too?

If you're not going to look reality in the face, then you're against reality.

Hope is just a word.

[datasuspect]

28. i stand tall for tuna salad

[FiveGoodMen]

33. Okay, THAT we can agree on!

;)

[L0oniX]

77. Bob Hope sucks!

[Peacetrain]

21. oh yeah yeah...sure sure.. uh huh.. take two aspirin and call me int he AM

Blind Cheerleader.. yeah right

[MzNov]

22. I'm just weary that it's always the "wild-eyed liberals"

who want the Bush war Criminal Admin. to be brought to justice. The two extremes seem to be the ones who take the hits. We know extreme right wingers are wrong, but why are the anti-war, anti-torture, pro-justice gang wild eyed liberals? :grr: Liberals in general, and even moderates, want these rat bastards brought to justice or at least exposed for all the horrific crimes they committed.

This speech was trying to steer everyone to the center. Forget about that! Otherwise, he deserves a lot of credit for the speech.

[emulatorloo]

23. Good! Both Cheerleaders and Ideological Purists get old fast EOM

[salguine]

69. Will somebody please tell me what the hell "EOM" means!?

[S n o w b a l l]

72. EOM = End of Message

[emulatorloo]

81. "End of Message" the same as n/t "No Text"

Means you need not click through the post because there is no text in it.

Hope this helps!

[RetroLounge]

118. Empty of Meaning

:9

RL

[Vickers]

26. Why in the holy fuck would you ever want to be a cheerleader anyway?

That's something Wee Cowboy would do...oh wait, he did.

:rofl:

[RoyGBiv]

27. When were you a cheerleader?

Just curious.

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[truedelphi]

32. Yeah, the story with me is exactly the same as the story with you.

I mean, C'mon, how unpopular is Bush right now? He is the most hated person in this country. (Well, excepting for Cheney.)

If Obama cared about us, Geithner and Bernanke would be in Paraguay by now.

The mountain tops would be safe from the coal companies. Monsanto would not ahve a voice in the Agriculture Department.

And the middle inocmed class would not be staring at its own demise.

[slay]

37. Same here TheMachineWins - just expect to get attacked for saying so

I get attacked on a daily basis here by the Obama cheerleading squad for challenging Obama - even though that's what he said he wanted! So just be prepared to get attacked for doing.. well.. just what the president wanted us to do - challenge him. My ignore list is growing as I figure out who these Obama cheerleaders are. In fact, I currently see 4 "Name ignored" posts on this thread and I can tell from the replys to these people, they are indeed the Obama cheerleaders. So good luck and stand strong - many here agree with you as you can see by the number of Recommended's you have for the greatest page already.

[TheMachineWins]

38. What's really sad is that being informed and experienced is a bad thing

I'm relegated to a subgroup of "far left" people who are "filled with hate and retribution" for simply wanting the worst criminals our country has ever seen held accountable for their crimes.

[Echo In Light]

39. As the adage goes, "with friends like these..."

I'm with you, although I've been a leftist/indie for over a decade now, didn't vote Obama, and realized this 'change' was going to be largely cosmetic ("we got a kinder, gentler machine gun-hand") since the real, big $, right-wing power that owns and controls this country obviously needed to apply a 'friendlier' face to the usual evils of empire.

[martymar64]

124. After the rampages of Rabban the Beast, Feyd Rautha will be welcomed as a savior.

Frank Herbert was really prescient in that statement.

[ProfessorGAC]

48. So Only People Who Think As You Do Are Informed. . .

. . .and experienced? That's too convenient by miles.
GAC

[barbtries]

107. on another thread i expressed something similar

and the only response i got was, "Yeah, I miss BUsh too"

what the hell.

[slay]

119. I know barbtries

And it saddens me. Here's what I've been able to figure out so far. There are a very vocal group here who will cheer and praise everything Obama does no matter what, and if you dare speak out otherwise they will mock you, berate you, ridicule you, call you names, etc. My thoughts on this are that they are attempting to get people like you and me to get pissed off enough to break some DU rules which they can then hit the Alert button on and try to have us banned. I've seen it happen. Just know that there are many other people like you and me, in fact I'd say most of DU is more like us than the "Obama cheerleaders". Just cause they are loud and mean they think they can dominate threads with their venomous hatred of anyone who questions Obama. My best advice is to not stoop to their level. You can also figure out who these people are pretty quickly and put them on Ignore if need be. I don't usually use ignore, but I've had to do so quite a bit on the Obama cheerleaders. DU is much nicer, friendlier place when you don't have to deal with them. Just my thoughts/opinion on the matter. :hug:

*on edit: hey i just looked at your profile and i live in Raleigh too! :)

[barbtries]

120. yeah, i don't respond

it's a silly pissing match i've no use for. in the thread i mentioned though, i can say that those who were reacting thusly were outnumbered by, i guess you could say, more thoughtful people.

yeah. i honestly don't get it though. dissent is an essential element of the democratic process. i've never been more euphoric following an election than i was when obama was elected, but still, i have been disappointed many times since. it is incumbent upon ME to let my lawmakers, my elected officials, know where i stand on the issues. even at that, they usually do a piss poor job of representing me. maybe what matters to me most isn't even what matters to most americans. still i believe what i do and no longer believe that it's enough for me to just sit back and watch the train roll by. there have been too, too many unrighted wrongs committed.

so, whereabouts? i'm in North Raleigh :)

[slay]

121. I'm sending you a private message now

should be in your inbox momentarily. :hi:

[kjackson227]

40. The man hasn't even been in office a full year... legislation takes...

time, and if you were an informed President Obama supporter, you would know that he was NEVER for single-payer. He has always said that he doesn't want to look backwards, but instead, look forward, and he's put in provisions where these attrocities will not happen again. You're being disingenuous, and at the very least, a pessimist.

[Echo In Light]

41. "Look ahead" is simply code for collusion, and preserving hallowed institutions

The time frame re any number of these high profile issues/scandals/crimes is irrelevant as nothing substantial will come re justice, accountability or health care, etc.

It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not one "likes" Obama, it's a matter of understanding the overarching, two party ruse that undermines our system of governance and thus prevents and staves off genuine "democratic interference" from hampering the Profits Over People, corporate ideal.

[slay]

44. Excellent post Echo In Light

I'm one of the people who (and you think I'd know better by now right) actually thought Obama might really change things. Your analysis of the situation is spot on.

[Echo In Light]

62. Well, thanks. So much of it boils down to cultural indoctrination

I've always been very anti-authoritarian, and most definitely something of an outsider, and so suspect, as it's likewise the case with others I know/have known, that for such types it's just easier to read between the lines re that type of deeply seated, pro-American propaganda, which is rooted in obedience to authority and consensus reality.

[slay]

67. Are we related?

Cause I am exactly the same way. But you express it better than I do. :hug:

[Echo In Light]

71. *

:toast:

[Fire1]

108. If that is the case, it seems you should have realized long ago

that you were in the wrong country. Just sayin.:shrug:

[kjackson227]

68. The time frame IS relevant...

Obama has always said that he will close Gitmo by the end of the year, AND healthcare will also be implemented by the end of the year. Yes, you're right, this doesn't have anything to do with "liking" Obama, but it does have EVERYTHING to do with the policies and agenda that he talked about for the country. Some of you CHOSE to believe, for some unknown reason, that Obama was going to slam the previous administration behind bars for the tortures that were committed, but he NEVER said that this was part of his main agenda. His agenda is to end the Iraq war (by being as careful getting out, as we were careless going in), closing Gitmo in a year, and implementing healthcare before 2010. If you had followed the campaign and LISTENED to what he actually said, maybe you wouldn't feel so unjustifiably disappointed. After these timeframes have passed, and if he hasn't set forth to bring about these changes, then by all means go ahead and castigate the man, but until then, stop with all of the misplaced victimization. You're not making any sense, whatsoever.

[Echo In Light]

75. I'm not "disappointed" since I didn't vote for him.

And if I'm wrong, than so be it. Time will tell, and I'll stand by my views, be they accurate or off the mark.

I suggest, however, that the reason I'm not "making any sense" to you is because my view doesn't fit into your background assumptions.

"America has one political party with two right-wings."
~ Gore Vidal

[kjackson227]

82. Hmmmm...

"I suggest, however, that the reason I'm not "making any sense" to you is because my view doesn't fit into your background assumptions"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now this is definitely something that we can agree on, thank Gawd.

[Bluenorthwest]

86. So you want to look at violent crimes done under color of authority

and not only personally look the other way, but have your entire family and culture look the other way. Because looking forward just means 'look the other way' while criminals go free.
Some people don't mind violent crimes against those who are not Americans, that much is clear from seeing how many are insistent upon looking the other way.
I hope you do not run your community like that. We should not look the other way at violent crimes we witness, you do know that don't you?
You know what is disingenuous? Using weasel words like 'not backward, but instead, look forward' to describe the act of ignoring crimes and letting the criminals go free. That is cheap and disingenuous, for you can not dare call it what it is. "Don't look kids, and try to plug your ears, just let the bad men do their business with that kid, we have to cut and run, I mean move forward."

[martymar64]

125. "Look ahead". Isn't that another word for "bury the past"? EOM

[JuniperLea]

42. Clearly you didn't really listen to the speech

Nice try anyway.

[TheMachineWins]

47. Very, very clearly I read every single word

It wasn't hard. Like I said earlier, insults, speeches, opinions and rhetoric change nothing, the only thing that changes is when people who committed war crimes are held accountable and prosecuted. Like I said before as well, I'll keep saying it for 100 years and I will keep trying.

[JuniperLea]

53. Then you have no reading comprehension skilz...

And you clearly haven't watched Obama set them up and knock them down.

Visceral emotion will get you nowhere. It blinds you to reality.

I'm sure you wanted them all locked away on day one of Obama's presidency, and that you cannot see one valid reason why that cannot be so.

[TheMachineWins]

96. LOL

I feel sorry for you

[EFerrari]

46. Obama never promised any of those things. n/t

[prolesunited]

50. He didn't?!?!?

Why are so many surprised that we elected a Democrat and didn't get a progressive? They must have been convinced by the MSM that Obama was the most liberal member of the party.

[EFerrari]

51. It was a four way tie -- Obama/Clinton/Pelosi/Any other Dem Candidate!

:)

[TheMachineWins]

52. Then you see the problems with not holding criminals accountable

The crimes will just be repeated again because no one will hold anyone accountable for it.

[EFerrari]

54. I'm probably one of the biggest proponents of prosecution here

but it's also true that Obama never promised that.

Let's be accurate so we can be effective, shall we? :)

[TheMachineWins]

57. I never used the word "promised" -- ONLY YOU DID

I said I am not going to be a blind cheerleader for a good speech-giver when the person making the speeches isn't upholding the law he says he will uphold in his speeches. Maybe you'd make more progress if you stopped arguing over petty semantics.

[EFerrari]

58. You said you were tired of being lied to.

And there's no need to shout. :)

[prolesunited]

55. You're still confusing the issue.

No one is saying there shouldn't be accountability for torture.

Why don't you post the quote or clip where it showd Obama promised to do it.

[Fire1]

110. Can't. Ain't none.

[ForrestGump]

49. I'm offended by your title

It seems to me that you are implying that members of a particular group of people, defined by what may even objectively be declared a 'handicap,' are thick as bricks. That's offensive.

I am also not thrilled about you extending the same characterization to blind people.













:hide: Uh-oh....one of my best friends on the planet used to be a cheerleader.... :scared:

[TheMachineWins]

56. That's just so sad

You care more about cheerleaders than war crimes and torture and accountability. Oh well, I'm glad those are your priorities and not mine.

[ForrestGump]

60. Are you serious?

Or just humor impaired?

It may not have been that funny, but I don't recall my posting support for war crimes and torture. It'd be far less a leap of logic for me to infer from your reply that you're just another fucking sanctimonious moron who's either full of it and knows it or is wound too tightly for this plane of existence.

And, yes, I care deeply about cheerleaders. I'm starting a halfway house for them.

[jgraz]

105. Given the other posts on this thread, can you blame him?

It's not that your humor sucks or that other people are humor-impaired. It's that the continual flow of insanity since Obama took office is making it more and more difficult to tell who's kidding.

[pnwmom]

63. And I'm not so naive that I think a Presidency should be judged by

its first few months.

[anonymous171]

73. Smart people have known about the banks since forever. nt

[librechik]

76. Dang, I hate when that happens.

really blew my personal relationship with Jesus.

[underpants]

78. Yeah where the hell *IS* my pony??

[Quantess]

79. Look, she got a pony. Where is OURS?

[Individualist]

90. The pony meme again; isn't that just too cute.

[OHDEM]

80. Give me an "O"!

Give me a "BAMA"! What's that spell? :rofl:

I like Obama and voted for him. I just think there is a vast space between cheerleader and "OMG - The sky is falling because he didn't do what I wanted, when I wanted it!"

I'm in that space. :bounce:

By all means, please join me here and let's talk about what Obama has done right in the first 4 months, what he's done wrong and what we can do to encourage him and his administration to do what we think is right. :toast:

I think we can all agree that we'd be in a much worse shit storm if McCain and Caribou Barbie were in the WH, right?

I try to be realistic. I am frankly shocked that they're still discussing torture. People like Dick and Bush are NEVER held accountable for things they do and the fact that it's still being discussed at high levels is a GOOD sign, IMHO. As far as healthcare, it ain't over yet and I for one am going to do what I can to keep single payer and/or a public option on the table.

Let's discuss the issues! It's like The Breakfast Club....we're all a little cheerleader...and a little chickenlittle. LOL

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[shellgame26]

127. I wonder

if we'd even be hearing about these memos at all if Obama wasn't president. It seems like if you dare to suggest a strategy on Obama's part makes you a blind cheerleader.

[ecstatic]

83. but apparently, not smart enough to understand that everything can't be fixed in 4 months

Go figure :shrug:

[blogslut]

84. How old r u?

Just curious.

[TheMachineWins]

87. Old enough to know when war crimes have been committed

I heard a 4th-grader calling out Condi on her crimes the other day so I guess that makes me at least 10 years old. LOL!

[blogslut]

91. That's not really an answer

Here, I'll go first. I am 49. And you?

[TheMachineWins]

97. Why?

How does my age pertain to war crimes not being accounted for?

[blogslut]

99. Because I have a feeling you're very young

The fatalistic outlook, the need for immediate retribution, the inability to understand how fate unfolds because one lacks experience in such matters.

All indicators of youth.

[Fumesucker]

104. I'm ten years older than you..

And I think that the crimes of the bushies will go unpunished.

But I never expected them to be punished in the first place.

[dreamnightwind]

92. K & R

I'm in this camp too, was waiting for awhile to see what Obama does, but we have a lot of data now and it doesn't look good. How it wish it were otherwise!

I think it's time to disban the Republican party (perhaps a RICO prosecution could do this), re-name the Democratic Party the Republican Party (as suggested by Colbert recently), and start the Democratic Socialist party (as suggested by the RNC) with any Dems who truly care to represent the interests of the people instead of the interests of the corporations and the military.

[snot]

93. thank you.

[TexasObserver]

94. We will be the judges of that statement.

It's often made here, but seldom true.

[Jack Sprat]

102. Bravo.

I have never seen such cowardice and timidity as the Democratic Party has shown since election 06. A typical politician is a chronic liar, but cowardly liars are tougher to stomach.

Harry Reid has a solid majority and stumbles over his own excuses. I give the Repigs one thing to their credit. If they had only had a squeaking victory in either house of Congress or the Presidency, they would have declared it a mandate and led as big victors. From 2000-06, that's precisely what they did. They bullied many of these same Democrats into a Resolution for war and now, as the minority party, they are still doing it. Unbelievable.

Sadly, we are the party of nice people who are apparently ashamed of our own convictions. No convictions is more like it. The initial cabinet choices should have told the whole story. The neocons have only switched sides. Their machine is still in place with new accomplices.

[FiveGoodMen]

115. Couldn't agree more!

[H2O Man]

95. oh deer

[lostnotforgotten]

100. Sad, So Sad That Mr. Obama Has Shown His True Colors For Which There Is No Dispute

eom

[Blue-Jay]

101. Goody for you.

You're special.

[Senator]

103. K&R

[scheming daemons]

109. and I'm too smart to judge a Presidency when it is only 4 months old.

...

[martymar64]

126. And you'll be saying the same damn thing two, four, eight years from now too.

If now is not the time to hold our elected officials accountable, then when? 2010? 2012? 2040?

Accountability has no grace period.

[Butch350]

112. That's life - get use to it - cowboy up will ya - you whine more than a siren.

[mdmc]

113. I am not that smart - I still stand with Obama lock step

I know he will be better then whatever the GOP puts up in 2012.
I know he is smarter then me - if he wants wars, drug wars, single payer off limits.. whatever - I can only hope that he knows what he is doing..

All I want is re-election. And to be a little less evil then the GOP.

YES WE CAN!

[jeff30997]

116. You're joking,right ?

I've been up for the last 48 hours so my sarcasm meter may be broken.

[jemma]

114. Talk is cheap

...Well maybe not "cheap" given that his wall street backers spent millions to install him in the White House. But you know what I mean.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

117. I am pretty sick of seeing war crimes go unpunished.

It is sad when it is very clear that nothing will ever be done to hold the war criminals accountable.

Look to the future = Look the other way

The bankers are financially raping this country... we are collectively grabbing our ankles for these fuckers - I have a credit card which I have never made a late payment on and all of a sudden my interest rate went from 11% to 24% causing the payments to sky rocket. At this rate I will never be able to pay the card off. It is ROBBERY. But the banks do what they do and they keep getting bonuses and we keep getting fucked over.

The Cheney's, Rumsfelds, Rices and Bush's will live out their lives on a beach someplace and the blood on their hands will just be a silly reminder to the apologists and the "look to the future" crowd.

I want my country back and right now we are watching Obama placate the RW by moving further away from progressive values (not that he was really ever a progressive) - What about doing something to really get the hell out of Iraq? More kids are being sent there as I type this. My best friends son just went 6 weeks ago. Is this really the best we can "HOPE" for?

Oh - and the idiots in this thread who are mocking the OP need to really get some new material. I have a pony.

[MadBadger]

129. You were never very smart if you were ever a blind cheerleader.