These people who were released from Guantanamo who went back to the fight?

[NNN0LHI]

I wonder if any of that had to do with the torture and sexual degradation that was done to them while at Guantanamo? I think if someone had done to a lot of people what was done to the people who were at Guantanamo to get them to talk it wouldn't surprise me if some of them had revenge as one of their goals. Be kind of like human nature. Wouldn't it be?

How would you react if you ever got away from your Guantanamo torturers? Would you just let bygones be bygones after that?

I don't know?

Don

[gratuitous]

1. Well, the real question is . . .

Who is alleged to have done this? Curiously, we're given a number without any substantiation, and we're supposed to just believe that in this one instance, the most self-serving thing that could possibly be said by the torturers is factual.

I don't believe it for a second.

[pkdu]

3. Note the careful choice of words from that (and simliar ) report

...they use the phrase "returned ( questionable in itself) to terrorism OR MILITANT ACTIVITY" ... without defining either term , media reporting them conflates both in "terrorists"

[TimesSquareCowboy]

5. Good catch. Supporting militant groups in words or financially was probably enough to get them i

included.

[Echo In Light]

2. One would suppose most of em would simply want to return to their families & farms

[Mz Pip]

4. Even if they did

it not like they are getting any kind of free ride. We've still got an army over there that they would have to deal with.

And yeah, I'd be very pissed off, probably forever, if I was subjected to the kind of treatment these people received.

This is a bad situation, no matter what you believe. These people have a right to be angry but I just don't see how we can just hold them indefinitely without some kind of resolution on their status.

[EFerrari]

6. Most of those people are so destroyed, they're barely functional.

The last thing they'd want to do is get right back into again. The idea is ludicrous.

[EFerrari]

7. This is a link to a recap of the Seton Hall study, that used the Pentagon's own numbers

to verify their claims of recidivism:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3886443&mesg_id=3886983

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. What gets me about the story is, if they were committed enough to

go back to the fight after release from Gitmo, why were they released in the first place? Like maybe, after months or years, the government decided these really were NOT terrorists when they were turned in so they released them, but they had been radicalized by their treatment and so BECAME the very thing they were accused of being in the first place.

[Wednesdays]

9. K&R

:kick:

[Canuckistanian]

10. If the situation were reversed and some Texan fundie was captured

And said Texan was abused, humiliated, tortured and then released - could you imagine that he WOULDN'T joint the FIRST REBEL GROUP he saw?

People are the same everywhere. They react to extreme situations with extreme behavior.

Did anyone expect that they would meekly go home and exclaim, "Whew, I'm sure glad that's over with. I'm going to do whatever those nice Americans say from now on! Scout's honor! (or Iraqi equivalent)"

[The Doctor.]

11. I fear that was, in fact, the whole point.

Terrorism thrives on the conflict that it creates. The Military Corporate Complex must perpetuate any seeds of future threat that it can. It will wither and die otherwise.

[struggle4progress]

12. Everyone should read the Seton hall reports debunking this nonsense

Released Guantánamo Detainees and the Department of Defense: Propaganda By the Numbers?
PROPAGANDA AS TERRORISM: RECIDIVISM BY THE NUMBERS
Time and time again, the Department of Defense, the Executive Branch, and other government officials have claimed publicly that Guantánamo Bay detainees who have been released have “returned to the battlefield” where they have then been re-captured or killed. On January 13, 2009, during a press conference the Department of Defense provided its 43rd attempt to report on the number of detainees released from Guantanamo who returned to the battlefield. This latest report alleges that 61 detainees have returned to the battlefield. This report seeks to examine the last numbers ...

Justice Scalia, the Department of Defense, and The Perpetuation of an Urban Legend: The Truth about Recidivism of Released Guantánamo Detainees
... Just this month .. Justice Antonin Scalia, in his dissent in Boumediene v. Bush, repeated the persistent yet false accusation that “at least 30 of those prisoners hitherto released from Guantánamo Bay have returned to the battlefield.” His source for this misinformation was a year-old Senate Minority Report, which in turn was based on misinformation provided by the Department of Defense. Justice Scalia’s reliance upon the these sources would be more justifiable had this urban legend not (one would have thought) been permanently interred by later developments, including a Department of Defense press release issued in 2007, as well as hearings held before the House Foreign Relations Committee less than two weeks before Justice Scalia’s dissent was released. On December 10, 2007, the Seton Hall Center for Policy and Research issued a report entitled The Meaning of “Battlefield”: An Analysis of the Government’s Representations of “Battlefield Capture” and “Recidivism” of the Guantánamo Detainees, demonstrating that statements asserting that thirty former detainees had returned to the battlefield were inaccurate. Further developments, including recent hearings before Congress at which more information was provided by the Department of Defense, confirm that the claim there have been thirty recidivists is simply wrong and has no place in a reasoned public debate about Guantánamo. This report, which relies exclusively upon the Government’s own data1, concludes the following:
• At most twelve, not thirty, detainees can be alleged to have “returned to the fight.”
• It is by no means clear that even these twelve have been so engaged since their release.
• According to the Department of Defense’s published and unpublished data, not a single detainee was ever released by a court.
• Every released detainee was released by political appointees of the Department of Defense, sometimes over the objection of the military.
• According to the Department of Defense’s published and unpublished data and reports, not a single released Guantánamo detainee has ever attacked any Americans.
• The Department of Defense’s statements regarding recidivism are inconsistent with each other and often contradictory ...

http://law.shu.edu/ProgramsCenters/PublicIntGovServ/CSJ/Guantanamo-Reports.cfm

[Karenina]

13. Kick for the above post!

:kick: