Rachel Maddow's show will be interesting tonight

[Mari333]

just got this in email:

center for constitutional rights

Watch CCR Executive Director Vincent Warren on The Rachel Maddow Show live tonight on MSNBC at 9:15pm EST.

After meeting with President Obama at the White House yesterday, Vince will offer his perspective on the president's speech this morning. He and Rachel will be discussing the new proposals for a preventive detention scheme, for reactivating the fatally flawed Military Commissions, and for both withholding the torture photos that should be released as part of our lawsuit with the ACLU and other human rights groups despite his promises of transparency and for refusing to hold the high level officials responsible for the torture accountable.

It's been a disturbing day with too much happening to fully process all the implications yet. Join Vince tonight to hear his thoughts. The Rachel Maddow Show, MSNBC, 9:15pm EST. More on Rachel Maddow's show can be seen at the Rachel Maddown Show website.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. CCR is a great, great outfit -

I worked for them back in the mid-seventies, defending a Black Panther out in the midwest. That was probably the defining experience in my life as a lawyer. Ramsey Clark, Bill Kunstler, they were the guys back then.

It's good to know they're still going.............

[CTyankee]

4. Hey, Tangerine! I worked for the ACLU in the national and the Washington offices in the 70s

Was wondering if you knew some of the folks I worked with: John Shattuck, Mort Halperin, Aryeh Neier. Those were the days...

[Tangerine LaBamba]

5. I knew Mort Halperin .......

Loved him, a real mensch. I remember a lunch with Mort - god, I can still see him sitting across the table, laughing - when he was so damn funny, I just about choked to death. Funny and smart and an adorable head of curls, that was Mort back then.

I recognize Shattuck's name, and, of course, Neier, but never met them.

We were in NYC, so there wasn't a whole lot of intersecting with the DC folks of ACLU - or anyone else, for that matter. We were a bunch of ornery cowboys (and girls) back then.

Man, the balls those guys had. They took absolutely no guff. I once watch Bill Kunstler dictate an intricate motion over the phone while a bunch of us were in a sauna in Vermont, and we were all high. Bill never missed a beat.

They were heroes. I miss them.................

[CTyankee]

7. Shattuck and Neier were different dudes. Shattuck's wife tragically

died from a brain aneurism right after I left the ACLU.

In New York I knew a great bunch of ACLU lawyers including Jeremiah Gutman and Norman Dorsen. Gutman unfortunately has died but I think Dorsen is still around.

I also knew Ira Glassman, who went on to be the national ACLU director before Romero.

I loved being in New York at that time. I moved to Washington, D.C. in September of '76. I left in April 1985 to move to New Haven, CT where I have been blissful for all these years...

[Hell Hath No Fury]

2. Yes, very interesting.

I completely appreciate that she is keeping the pedal to the floor on this issue.

That Dick Cheney is out there practically BRAGGING about how well he totrured and our government is all but sitting there, picking their asses while he does it -- the 8-year long stoke I was having under BushCo is in grave danger of continuing. :( :mad:

[MarjorieG]

3. This is a blind spot for her, as far as ever seeing the difficulties Obama faces.

Would help her fans, her ratings, if on this she cut him some slack for the complications he described today. She's devil's advocate amnd nuanced about most other policy, but this issue has become Turley town, and I don't like to live there.

[Mari333]

6. I dont think Obama is facing so many difficulties

as he is being told what to do by the Bush appointees that he kept on to advise him, like Robert Gates, Petraeus, and now McTortureChrystal. As long as they are deciding for him, I welcome Rachels show and Turley and anyone else that can take on those rat bastard generals and traitors.

[rucky]

8. first John Fogarty reference of the thread! n/t