Kerry: CIA LIED BEFORE

[kpete]

Kerry: CIA Lied About Contra-Cocaine Connections

First Posted: 05-21-09 02:21 PM | Updated: 05-21-09 03:27 PM

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"In the case of one person who was tried and convicted, they lied. He overtly lied and was prosecuted for it by the government of the United States," said Kerry just off the Senate floor. "He was the director of operations for the region."

The CIA's inspector general later opened a second investigation looking into the matter and also determined that the agency was aware of the Contra involvement in drug trafficking, did nothing to stop it and in fact interceded with the Drug Enforcement Administration to block investigations -- and then misled Congress about it.

Besides drug trafficking, the Contras were also funded by proceeds from illegal arms sales to Iran. The CIA lied to Congress about that too, numerous investigations found.

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Kerry wanted to be clear that he wasn't indicting the entire CIA. "I have a lot of respect for the CIA and the people who work there," he stressed.

But the senior CIA officials who lied to Congress can't simply be viewed as a few bad apples. Rather, said Kerry, they're an example of what he dubbed "client-itis" - the tendency of government officials to confuse their immediate boss to be the person they work for.

more at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/21/kerry-cia-lied-about-cont_n_206423.html

[Seldona]

1. There are many other examples.

They are the CIA. Isn't it in their job descriptions to lie?

[Ilsa]

2. Too many Americans have a short memory of US history. Or they aren't

learning anything in school.

[JohnnyBoots]

23. Keeping the populace dumb and distracted is all part of the plan....

[vssmith]

3. They are in the lying and subterfuge business

[Quantess]

4. time for a kick

[Wednesdays]

5. K&R

:kick:

[politicasista]

6. Kick for truth

:kick: :patriot:

[Canuckistanian]

7. Well, there seems to be a consensus - the CIA lies

Even Boehner admits it. And Specter and Graham and ...... etc.

Now, the question is, is anything going to be done about it?

[Bandit]

15. We HAVE TO Investigate Pelosi for saying it though..

I love it.....

[bottomtheweaver]

8. Yep.

That's why when he said we cannot win in 2004, I believed him. He'd fought the beast once already.

[wisteria]

9. Thank you Senator Kerry for speaking out and speaking the truth. n/t

[SoCalDem]

10. Information is power..

When you HAVE information, you must ration it, and obfuscate it, so that you retain "ownership" of it.. It's what plausible deniability is all about.

Spin is the name of the game.. CIA wants more money? they must skew their "information" to show the worst-case scenario, so they get money from congress..

They are doing something "illegal" but they were TOLD to do it, and they kind of like doing it anyway, so of course they will hem & haw and spin it so they give just enough information, to cover their asses, but not so much as to raise questions..and later on , they can deny anything that comes back to them..

Even the senators who attend these meetings, know the drill.. there are some things the don't want to know, because "knowing" , puts them in the loop, and holds them accountable, so when they get right up to the line, they may be glad to not cross it..

Nancy underestimated the vitriol of republicans, and by the time she wriggles out of this debacle, she will forget again...until they snag her in their drift net next time..

If it's wrong, it's wrong, and the best way to show disapproval,is NOT to "remember" something 7 years later.. It's to stand up and vote against things, when they are happening..and take the lumps at election time.. at least , years down the line, there is no sign of any waffles:)

[underpants]

11. And here I thought the CIA was as pure as the Catholic church

:sarcasm:

[Richard Steele]

12. K&R

[democracy1st]

13. K & R

[JI7]

14. does anyone actually believe the CIA doesn't lie ?

[saltpoint]

16. The CIA lied? This observer is shocked, ladies and gentlemen. SHOCKED.

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This Kerry guy would have made a great president.

[TayTay]

17. I know, imagine the CIA being deceptive

Imagine an agency charged with doing clandestine and secret operations being capable of being deceptive and secretive and doing clandestine things. It's simply outrageous. I am also shocked and gobsmacked at this revelation. Our paid liars have LIED. MY God, doesn't any branch of the government not do it's damn job?

Yeah, he would have been a great President.

[saltpoint]

18. Good morning.

!

Tay, I am so shocked, in fact, that I think I'll have to postpone doing the laundry.

[TayTay]

19. I am so ashamed

apparently my severe sense of shock sometimes comes out as laughter. (Honest, it was shock. Really it was. The laughter is just how some people manifest shock. Honest. Really. Would I lie to you?)

Of course the CIA lies. We pay them to lie.

BTW, I was reviewing some of the greatest hits of the whole insane Contra thing. That was truly a whacked-out time in American history. There was one episode when a humanitarian aid worker was arrested in Hondoras with faked drug smuggling evidence and they offered to clear her if she would say that she and John Kerry were smuggling drugs together. That whole time period was whacked.

I am sincerely glad that the good Senator from MA is speaking out. He has first hand knowledge that the CIA lies, they helped trade weapons for hostages and turned the other way when drugs were smuggled into the US because it was part of the weapons for hostages chain of events. That actually happened.

A .pdf of the whole Kerry Report that was 2 1/2 years in the making is at http://www.thememoryhole.org/kerry/">this link. It sank shortly after it was printed. Gee, I wonder why no one in Washington embraced this report and it's findings? (overusing snark here, sorry.)

[saltpoint]

21. Kerry bears the thankless burden of behaving like a

true-hearted, clear-minded public servant.

What kind of attitude is THAT!?

Thank you for the link.

Power is ornery. It draws both especially noble characters (Frank Church, John Kerry, etc.) and also the lower-order, bottom-feeding manipulator-class flunkies, hit men, and errand boys. We have to trust voters to know the difference and make distinctionss. They do better some times than at others.

I am STILL wounded by the Reagan-era atrocities in Central America. You use the word 'whacked,' and that is just about perfect. There was a delirium in the Reagan White House and in the Congress then. Dark strategies were on the rise and Reagan's brain was deteriorating, and Congress lied and looked the other way.

[EPIC1934]

22. Thank you Kerry

for saying something clear and true. I am surprised by this, given how much you held your fire in 2004. But I want to encourage Democrats WHEN THEY SAY SOMETHING CLEAR AND TRUE This is how to win the middle, not by CNN equivocation!

[TayTay]

24. Then there is stuff like this Saltpeter

passive-aggressive "compliments" that imply that courage is a rare event and so, condescendingly, it should be applauded when it, probably mistakenly, shows it's face.

You have no idea what courage is EPIC. And consider yourself part of the problem as to why Democrats don't fight for you. You don't bother to show up or thank them when they do. What is the upside of doing what you want? A slightly less insulting "compliment"?

BTW, I must have missed the press release, what is it that you did that allows you to sneer at the actions and courage of others? Could I have a reference to these actions? I want to know the mighty person who is so above the actions of others.

[EPIC1934]

25. HI THERE!

SNEER AT THE COURAGE OF OTHERS. WHat the heck are you trying to imply??? can you show a post of mine that you are refering to? Thanks for letting me know your motivatins. I criticize politicians. You criticize me in a manner that his vague and smear-like. Your motivations are so transparent.Keep it up, will be looking for you. You just cant stand it when someone criticizes the Democrats for not having backbone.

Then when I show that I am not ideological ie I am willing to praise them when they do the right thing WHY THAT IS DANGEROUS TIME FOR THE DESCENT INTO BABYLIKENAMECALLING!

[TayTay]

26. or a descent into passsive aggressive dismissal of effort

Tell me why anyone would want to "earn" the type of praise you dish out?

[EPIC1934]

27. wait did he say passive-aggressive again?

Passive aggressive psycho-babble is you.I talk politics. BY

OH SO I SHOULD PRAISE ONE PARTY ALL THE TIME REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DO OR DONT SAY,, SO THAT TAY TAY WILL NOT CALL ME PASSIVE AGRESSIVE. Psychobabble-- the antipolitics

[TayTay]

29. Talking politics? Really?

Let's see, faced with a challenge and a request to defend what you are saying you:

Dismiss a phrase without understanding what it means. Scratch that, poster is *proudly* and *willfully* ignorant of a phrase used and, without bothering to use the Internet to look up the phrase used, says that it is "bad" to know things and that having knowledge gets in the way of being political.

Furthermore, poster states that being asked to defend a position is just unthinkable, horrifying, despicable. Why, if people were asked to justify their opinions with facts or knowledge or, heaven forbid, use of unknown phrases, then it would lead to political lying. Only the pure of mind, those whose thought processes are unsullied by the taint of information can render judgments and fight for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

Onward fair warrior, clad in the armor of self-righteousness and the shield of ignorance. Have fun storming the castle!

OR, you could engage in a genuine debate. Take a chance, admit you don't know a phrase, ask what it means. Learn something. Deepen and toughen what you believe by testing it in a court of public opinion. OR take the Republican way and condemn knowledge, treat with suspicion any challenges and become puffed up with self-righteous indignation at all the wrong things. Your choice.

[MBS]

30. this sentence says EVERYTHING about Sen. Kerry, and also explains the

@#$% he too often gets from the Beltway crowd:

Kerry bears the thankless burden of behaving like at
true-hearted, clear-minded public servant.

Just right on the money.
So was your right-on description of power, voters, Reagan era, and unholy interaction among power, voters, Reagan atrocities, etc.
Thanks for your great comment!

[spanone]

20. duh...isn't that what the cia does?

[beachmom]

28. Thanks. The idea that it is outrageous to say the CIA could have mislead

Congress is outrageous itself.