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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 11:53 PM Original message |
UAW, Inc. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
1. Those golden parachutes cost so much doncha know. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
2. As usual, the "World Socialists" whine and complain, and propose no solutions |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. lol truest words ever written and gotta love the use of druthers. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 06:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. as usual, those who don't like the facts tar the messenger, believing it constitutes |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. ooooh far left mixed in with granola....did you forgot to accuse them of drinking lattes? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
70. Yup, a good analogy of the DU attitude towards the blue collar guy |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
74. Damn straight |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
3. K&R |
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excess_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
4. the UAW could buy these companies for two cents |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
7. If UAW owns 55% of Chrysler, then it shouldn't just have members on the board, it should dominate |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 06:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. but uaw doesn't get to vote the shares they supposedly "own". |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Yeah, this is troubling. Every other corporate entity is a free person, so to speak. UAW... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 07:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. the reason is: so they can plead their hands are tied to their membership |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
8. An interesting idea to ponder. Where would these assets go if UAW employees voted to decertify... |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
79. kick |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
12. Replace the elected leadership of the union with |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 07:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. i'm not a trot. i post their articles because their website has good reporting on labor |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 07:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I focus on the messengers because |
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EPIC1934 (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. k,r |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. that may well be. in fact, there's some speculation the trots are a front |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Marxism-Leninism has done far more to advance the interests of workers than trade unionism. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Agreed. /nt |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. No, both red scares drove Labor unions into hiding and |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
42. reds built the unions. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Of course. nt |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #28 |
62. That's not exactly right. Unions were not driven into hiding They were offered a place at the... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. yep, that's more true to the facts. reds & dissidents were deliberately purged. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Spot on! n/t |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
17. Oh gee what a surprise, an anti-UAW thread from you. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. yes, because uaw has done such a stellar job of defending their workers' interests |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Membership has gone down as people became complacent. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. membership has gone down as plants were closed & members lost their jobs. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Same lies over and over, I'm done with your BS |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. How dare she demean the UAW and its DOZENS of members! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Deleted message |
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. if they're lies, show me where i'm wrong instead of throwing down your toys & stomping off. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Complacent? Is that what you call having your plant shut down and no longer being an auto worker? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Nice straw man |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. How are people supposed to participate when they don't have the jobs? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #50 |
60. bullshit. 1979-1989 alone, the entire industry lost over 100,000 jobs. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
21. What's the problem with the UAW? Read this thread. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Yeah 'cause you'd know, being in the UAW hub of Nevada and all. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. the right is against unions, period. the real left is only against company unions. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Message forum elitists are not the "real left" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. which is why membership went down 2/3 in twenty-five years, wages |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
58. An ever-shrinking "Labor Aristocracy" is not the real face of workers |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 03:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
71. Not the reich wing, from those you all chose to sacrifice for your own petty interests. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
22. I thought Socialists would be pleased if the workers owned some of the means of production. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Is it "ownership" when the supposed "owner" doesn't get to vote the shares |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. crickets. because ownership = control. & neither the rank & file nor even |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Oh Hannah, if nothing else I admire the tenacity in your efforts to demonstrate |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. who are the "these" you mean? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #34 |
65. "These" are those that turn their backs on you and yours, mock and deride your efforts, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 02:40 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. i enjoy argument. and some of the people i argue against know the score |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Tell us more about the autoworkers' "richly deserved fates" |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 02:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
66. Where was UAW when PATCO went on strike? Where was UAW when the Steelworkers were |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:40 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. Hello? Don't feel like playing anymore? Off to promote your next strike? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 04:03 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. How come this thread got so quiet? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
23. UAW should have struck before GM took the government money |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Yeah then they enter bankruptcy outside the government structure |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. which contracts are those? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
37. You have stated a rare truth, absolutely correct. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
27. I take it you support the IWW model? nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. how you reached that conclusion, i don't know. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. So basically you just have an issue with the UAW buying into the company |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. No his problem with the UAW is it's existence |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. love the smell of straw in the morning. or evening, depending on your time zone. mmmmm! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. i have a problem with more than that, but let's start there. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Oh I agree with you then. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Well to be fair, their options were very limited. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Next time there is a contract negotiation watch the management to dump stock in order to drive... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. he took his toys & left. |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
64. I am an enthusiastic supporter of the SEP and Cde. White's run for President. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. i'm not a trot. i do, however, agree with them that uaw has been |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. SEP? |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Socialist Equality Party |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
69. I will probably quit the Union when GM goes into bankruptcy |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I'm disappointed with the lack of work done on trade issues |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. these foreign automakers we must become competitive with...who are they? |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Are you serious? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. yep, i'm serious. it's interesting the tariff barriers with japan aren't |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
80. Shame I can't recommend. kick! |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
82. sorry, but WSWS is a crap source... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Not true. |
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pnutbutr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
84. Unions have a time and place |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Corporations have a time and place |
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