omg...hate cops

[medeak]

horrid day.. beautiful golden retriever puppy was run over a block from my house by a COP. Couldn't be more than 4 months old..3 squad cars showed up to extract the poor thing screaming in pain... they treated it like it was a fighting pit bull..I just cried and cried..they kept everyone away but I could see the poor baby and how they were torturing it. My husband said "it doesn't look good...let it go" but couldn't someone be humane and treat the poor puppy with some sensitivity rather than put a FECKING animal control device on it and drag it from the car? When they got the poor guy out they just threw a blanket over it like it was dead but I could hear it crying. Fecking bastards

[medeak]

1. apologies everyone

just needed to vent and get this out of my head. DU kept me sane for 8 yrs

[armyowalgreens]

2. It seems as though you are overreacting...

[medeak]

18. 25 mph zone in residential neighborhood

thanks for your sensitivity.. I need to go away...was venting as so upsetting to me and really can't articulate the situation.

[Trajan]

3. I dont hate cops ...

I dislike bad people ....

[rwheeler31]

4. I do not hate cops but some treat people like this.

We need to get of bad cops.

[amerikat]

5. Sorry you had to see such a thing.

Most cops could use a little sensitivity training IMHO.

[amerikat]

6. DU has a few police officers on board, I hope they see your post.

When it comes to animals and cops I have seen both extremes.

I once called the police over a dog at an intersection. Called the cops, a unit was there pronto.
I asked what would happen to the dog, He said that it would go to the shelter. but his wife and he would adopt it and find it a home if it came to the dog being put down(WE do it all the time). To protect and serve is the best mind set for cops.

I have also seen cops treat animals like shit as in your post.

[The Straight Story]

8. DU has a few liberal dems on board as well

And hope they see where dems have been leading us ;)

[amerikat]

14. I help every animal I can.

I will bring this topic up at the next town meeting.
The cops will roll their eyes but the mayor will take it seriously.

[Joe Fields]

44. Where did you get the idea that cops are supposed to protect us?

They all want to be able to come home at the end of their shift and see their loved ones. You think they would take a bullet for you?

No.

Cops are on the street to protect the law.

[medeak]

7. husband and I went to chief of police

I had home health company and went to city council to get loading parking sign in front of my office to load medical equipment when on call. Had call for oxygen late at night and was parked with my medical van in front on my sign I had put there and cop came up to me and was writing me a ticket. I asked why..and he took a piece of paper and threw it on the ground "PICK IT UP" he told me... his fecking garbage he threw down. Couldn't believe it and went to chief of police to complain and he said I was over reacting...but husband told him..."I guarantee you ... you will have complaints about this guy and write this up" and guess what...he was fired 6 months later for emotional abuse to others. Live in a small town...an no..don't like our cops.

[XOKCowboy]

29. Small town cops can be bad....

I don't condemn all cops because without them we'd be in big time trouble. That being said I grew up in a small town and we've had some bad cops. Guys that couldn't pass the exams for Tulsa PD or the HP. So our little town became their little fiefdoms and they took their frustrations out on the locals.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

32. I find small town cops to be quite a bit better than big city ones

I once lived in a town that was about 90 miles from anywhere else. Cops all lived there too. Made for markedly better relationships than what I have found in larger burgs. Lots of warnings and nothing really macho or stupid. New ones that did not get that were soon gone

[XOKCowboy]

45. That's what a good Chief gets you...

Plus our little town had a huge lake built next to it and went from 3000 ppl to over 10K in 10 years. It went from Mayberry to a "city", the old chief retired and all that went out the window.

[here_is_to_hope]

9. Sometimes injured animals bite and kick, maybe

that is what had the cops going gangbusters.

[medeak]

10. golden retriever puppy?

Have had three in my life..and as guiness world records reports..breed most unlikely to bite

edited to say.. it was paralyzed...couldn't do anything but cry! need to go..can't think about it anymore

[smalll]

11. Ask yourself why you hate your fellow human beings.

You proably have good reason for it -- life can be hard on all of us. But this radical displacement of sympathy away from your fellow man and onto animals instead is not healthy for anyone's soul.

I'm Just Sayin' :shrug:

[medeak]

21. your name is fitting n/t

[Occulus]

46. This isn't the first time, either.

Small is, well... small. And sad.

[CoffeeCat]

28. For Pete's sake!

How heartless are you?

She was upset that she saw a smashed puppy who was paralyzed and crying in pain.

She thought the officers weren't gentle enough. I believe she is telling us the truth.

Those officers could have acted in a more gentle way--especially if others were witnessing this.

She has a right to her opinion and I think most compassionate human beings would feel upset after seeing this.

"Radical displacement" indeed. :eyes:

[uppityperson]

49. what. the. fuck? nt

[JonLP24]

12. Some perspective...

Killing or injuring a K-9 in many jurisdictions subjects the suspect to harsher punishments then animal cruelty charges. I recall an officer awhile back 'accidently' left his dog in the car and the dog died due to the high heat. Here in Arizona leaving an animal in a car for prolonged periods of times is animal cruelty under the law. However when the cop did it, it was shrugged off as an accident. Not saying anything should happen to the cop in your story as it was probaly an accident he/she ran him over.

[armyowalgreens]

15. ummm that wasn't shrugged off. The cop was investigated.

[JonLP24]

17. It was shrugged off as an accident

Of course an investigation took place.

[armyowalgreens]

23. Well it really was an accident.

An investigation took place and found it to be an accident.

Do you want the officers head on a stake?

[JonLP24]

30. No.

If I left my dog in a car for long hours on a hot day and he/she died I would go to jail per animal cruelty laws. The law should apply to cops especially when it is a worse offense to kill a K-9 then it is to kill any other dog. Those are mistakes you don't make and even if what I did was a mistake I'd still go to jail.

[armyowalgreens]

33. You would go to jail if you knew that you left the dog in there.

IIRC the cop was really torn up by what he did. Even though it was clearly an accident.

The officer forgot that the dog was in the car. He didn't leave the dog in the car on purpose.

A dog is a dog is a dog. Killing a K-9 is no different than killing a mut. It's a fucking dog. The officer had no intent to harm the dog and didn't even have the intent to leave the dog in the car. It was clearly an accident and the officer clearly understood the magnitude of the situation. You don't get to be a K-9 officer by being cruel to animals.

[JonLP24]

35. I'm sure most people don't intentionally try to kill a dog by leaving him/her in a car

Same goes for one's baby but it simply isn't a matter of knowing or didn't know.

The law says this in Arizona
7. Intentionally, knowingly or recklessly leaves an animal unattended and confined in a motor vehicle and physical injury to or death of the animal is likely to result.
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/02910.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS
The key word is reckless. Meaning knowingly or not I'd go to jail for leaving an animal in the car. As far as your point about a K-9 to a dog, a dog is a dog I agree with you. However the police had a K-9 dog and if someone else injured or killed a k-9 dog he/she would be subjected to harsher punishments then an ordinary animal cruelty charge.

[armyowalgreens]

36. ummm yes it is a matter of knowing...

I never said you have to have the intention of killing said being in car, I said you had to know that the being was in the car and not care about the outcome of the situation. That is negligence. The officer is guilty of neither of those crimes.

The only thing the officer is guilty of is having a terrible lapse of thought. And I'm sure he is paying for it emotionally. Especially since people like you won't give him a break.

[JonLP24]

37. You clearly missed the law

If you don't know then it becomes reckless and according to the animal cruelty law I'd go to jail for sure for unknowingly leaving my animal in a car for long periods. It is hard not to know you don't have a dog in your car, what are you doing being a K-9 officer if you don't know you have a dog? Anyways I could simply leave my dogs in a car to die and just simply say "I didn't know". It would be difficult to prove I did know which is why the reckless part is included in the law.

[armyowalgreens]

55. Well isn't it so lovely to judge his mistake from the comfort of your computer...

Like I explained below, mistakes happen. Even horrible ones. But they are few and far between. To say that this officer is incompetent is fucking STUPID.

Notice how you said you'd go to jail for leaving your dog, unknowingly, in a car for long PERIODS, as in multiple times. That is a perfect example of negligence. You show multiple times that you are incapable of caring enough to remember that your animal is in the car.

THE OFFICER DID IT ONCE. And unfortunately the dog died. So fucking shoot him.

Again, can we stop the cop bashing now? These are people, not super fucking heroes. They aren't above making mistakes. Clearly you cannot understand that.

[LooseWilly]

40. How does a K9 officer "forget" that his K9 is in the car?

I mean, isn't a K9 policeperson supposedly "trained"? When I drove a taxi, the police told us which portions of freeway through the city had a 65 speed limit, and which had a 55 speed limit. They did that specifically so that we couldn't later claim that "I didn't realize the speed limit was only 55 there". Yet somehow it is ok for a so-called trained professional K9 officer to not know where his K9 is for long enough to kill the dog????
And why wasn't the window down? All the windows down? Or the engine running and the AC on?

Why is police incompetence ok, but civilian incompetence (in the case of something similar happening to a civilian) not ok?

[armyowalgreens]

54. I never fucking said what he did was okay. JESUS CHRIST !!!

I also never said that police incompetence is okay. Do you read what you type or does it just flow out like a river? Get a fucking clue.

If you'd stop and think for a minute you'd understand that this was a MISTAKE. Not incompetence. Incompetence is someone who is incapable. What happened was horrible, but not so unfathomable that I couldn't see others doing it by accident.

Simply because someone is trained does not make them a motherfucking super hero. They aren't super human, they are human. They make mistakes. This mistake just happened to have horrible consequences. And I'm sure the officer feels horrible. In fact I distinctly remember the family coming on the news talking about how horrible he felt.

Why don't you stop" projecting" your own stupid expectations on me. You expect cops to be incapable of mistakes. I understand that mistakes happen, even horrible ones.

Now can we stop the cop bashing now? Seriously this is fucking ridiculous.

[armyowalgreens]

25. Well it really was an accident.

An investigation took place and found it to be an accident.

Do you want the officers head on a stake?

[JonLP24]

13. Double Post

[medeak]

20. wtf? nt/

[JonLP24]

22. I posted the same information twice because my initial click on 'post message'

didn't load the page so I hit the back button on my browser and hit 'post message' again and from there I realized it posted 2 posts.

Other then that I'm not sure what you mean by wtf?

[medeak]

27. apologies

thought you were saying I posted somewhere else.. can you see how upset I am.. so sorry. Can't stop crying

[JonLP24]

31. No worries

I understand... :hug:

[shireen]

16. cops are people ...

you have good people. And bad people.
Give them a little authority and the bad ones become monsters.

I'm so sorry you had such a bad experience. But I hope you remember that not all cops are jerks. There are far more good cops than bad ones.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

19. on the flip side in nyc

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/45136247.html




Dog Stops Traffic To Protect Injured Mom on NYC Highway Save Email Print
Posted: 3:30 PM May 15, 2009
Last Updated: 4:21 PM May

click link for the video. The cops were great!

[Cid_B]

24. AH HAH!

You've figured out the code!

COPS HATE PUPPIES!!!


:eyes:

[Cid_B]

26. .

double post

[backscatter712]

34. I've heard of a few officers that have done mercy killings.

They happened upon a dog or other animal that was on the road and got hit by a car, looked at it, saw it was in really bad shape, took their service pistols and put the poor things out of their misery. I can't blame a cop for doing that.

[Vickers]

38. Fuck the asshole who let a puppy run wild.

:grr:

[JonLP24]

39. Not sure about Golden Retrievers

I usto own a Siberian Husky and they are masterful escape artists. We have a big fence and keep the door locked. But occassionally when the opportunity presented itself, she bolted out and there is no way to keep up with a breed like that physically, we'd search for her and eventually ran into her. She would sometimes take off again but we'd always recover her. I'm not sure how other's dogs escape but I know I owned one that was an escape artist and the idea of running in front of a car was always a concern especially looking for her.

[Vickers]

41. I've owned several beagles, generally known as the escape artists

of the canine world. I know that "The Big Escape" is all too real.

But 4 months?

Bullshit, these people are not taking care of their dogs.

[JonLP24]

43. Oh I wasn't defending the guy as I don't know how it happened

I was just explaining how my previous dog escaped several times but I always chased after her and never returned home without finding her. In that respect I can understand how someone's dog could escape but I have no clue how it happened so I can't either defend or attack the owner.

[Vickers]

42. P.S. This will give you an idea of the resourcefulness of beagles...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ13Wcx4wjQ

[kas125]

47. I just got a three and a half month old puppy on Saturday -

he's half Golden Retriever and half Siberian Husky - a Goberian. I didn't want a puppy, but he came to me and I love him like mad. Here he is with my dad (it was HIS 80th birthday.)

[medeak]

48. OMG!

don't know who is more adorable..puppy or your 80yr old (much younger looking) Dad!

[kas125]

56. Thanks, you're right, they are both pretty adorable.

[Toucano]

51. Very handsome fellow!

The dog, not your pop. Although, he looks good for 80!

[kas125]

57. Two of my friends have his littermates and they are very

different than he is. They jump and chew and act like wild puppies ALL the time. Mine is very calm and gentle and learns things very quickly. I am SO glad I got him! Dad likes him a lot, too.

[ContinentalOp]

52. 80!?

Damn, you've got some good genes there!

[kas125]

58. My mom's mother died when she was 86 or 87 and didn't

have grey hair or many wrinkles. I guess I did get good genes, because nobody ever believes me when I tell them my age, either.

[uppityperson]

50. I am so sorry for you and your puppy.

I can't tell if it went to a vet, will be ok, or died, but no matter which, I am sorry for you and your puppy. It sounds like a really shitty thing to have happen

[Mother Of Four]

53. I understand your emotional trauma-

And have a ton of sympathy for it. We have two large beautiful dogs...Some things to think about to help you direct your anger and pain a little. Just please understand, I'm not defending what they did...I'm just trying to give an explanation to you so that you can see all the angles.

Police are in a no win situation, especially in smaller towns.

Say this happened: Police hit the dog, saw the dog paralyzed and did a mercy killing. Then everyone would be up in arms because they didn't take the puppy to the vet. Even though that is typically not something they are supposed to do, it's the owners responsibility.

Or this: Police hit the dog, didn't use any form of cautionary withdrawal trying to be gentle. The puppy in blinding pain tears a hole in an officers hand. (Puppy teeth are SHARP) This being an unknown dog, they then have to kill it anyway and send the head off to a testing facility for rabies no matter how unlikely it is...and then the officer is off the street until the results come back making them a man down during shift. Once again, people up in arms because the dog had to be killed.

The given situation, what I see terribly wrong with it is none of them had the guts to put the poor baby out of his misery and take the flack for it. Instead they treated him roughly and placed a blanket over him? :wow: I'm sorry, but that's unacceptable. One of them should have the spine to have some frickin mercy.

Should you be upset about what happened...Oh most definitely. But probably about 1/4 should be at the officers for not having any form of spine at all in taking care of the puppy. Knowing they were going to catch hell no matter what they did, they should have gone with what was RIGHT instead of what they thought was politically SAFEST.

The rest of that rightful anger should be clearly directed at the puppies owner, If the puppy was outside- like any other toddler she/he should have been WATCHED. If they were gone for a bit, then the puppy should have a crate and be SAFE with a neighbor checking on them every now and again. Puppies are animal babies, and it's a huge responsibility to take them into your home and raise them. I'm ten times more ticked at the person who let the puppy run out than the cops with no spine.