A Solidarity thread for straights upset by Proposition 8

[hedgehog]

I'd like everyone here, especially GLBT DU members, that I am angry about the decision to uphold Prop 8. I don't want to be presumptuous, but I thought other people might want to post similar sentiments.

[Taverner]

1. Aye!

:grr:

[Kaleko]

158. Has everyone here signed up to be counted yet?

"We are all -- gay and straight -- working together to build a grassroots army to restore marriage equality to California."

http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/1million

[defendandprotect]

214. I'll be happy to . ..

make a financial contribution to the fight --

Good luck to us all -- gay and straight!

[zipplewrath]

288. More than just this one

I live in Florida. It's even worse here.

[robinlynne]

2. aboslutely present.

[Xipe Totec]

3. +1 n/t

[Robb]

4. Hell yes. nt

[alsame]

5. Absolutely. n/t

[slackmaster]

I am neither suprised nor angry, but I strongly disagree with the decision

51 years of experience have taught me that there isn't much point in getting upset over things you can't control.

The right of same-sex couples to marry in California has been infringed.

[kick-ass-bob]

91. There's a difference between upset and

angry.

If you think there is nothing you can do about it, then you are quite wrong. I plan to channel my anger to its fullest potential and end this ridiculous hate for things that are 'different'.

[slackmaster]

126. I have worked for and will continue to work for equal marriage rights

I can't make the court decision un-happen.

[cboy4]

128. There's no point in getting upset over things you can't control?

What kind of weak position is that?

[Chulanowa]

6. Damn straight I'm pissed

I'm certain that it's nowhere near the level of pissed being felt by the people it actually effects, but as a straight Washingtonian, fuck yeah. Break out the torches and pitchforks.

[Aristus]

7. I'm pissed off, too. I'm straight and don't live in California. But I'm pretty pissed all the same.

:grr:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

8. Count me in.

:mad:

[votingupstart]

9. +1 nt

[Lost-in-FL]

10. ...

:thumbsup:

[Third Doctor]

248. I guess I was naive

I was hoping proposition 8 would be overturned but I was wrong sadly. Everyone in this country should share the same rights and priveleges under the law. I feel that a lot of good law abiding citizens have been hurt by this.

[cbayer]

11. .

:cry:

[krabigirl]

12. I am so sad today. I don't belong in this state. I really don't.

I bet the fundie RW freaks are rejoicing. I just don't know if I want to raise my kids here, in the midst of this intolerance.

[defendandprotect]

216. IMO, people really didn't know what they were voting for . . .

give it a little time -- this is a liberal nation tha has been taken over by

r-w freaks.

We've had decades of political violence -- now they're taking out leadership

before it can arise -- stolen elections --

In fact, Jimmy Carter made the point that voters can't always understand our

ballots -- that's what he was saying was one of the reasons why our elections

couldn't even be monitored by his organization!

Organized patriarchal religion is going down . . . let's hope!

I'm disappointed that the decision didn't take on the religious aspect of the

support for this Prop!!

Last kick of a dying mule?

[defendandprotect]

218. IMO, voters may not have properly known what they were voting "for" . . . ???

give it a little time -- this is a liberal nation tha has been taken over by

r-w freaks.

We've had decades of political violence -- now they're taking out leadership

before it can arise -- stolen elections --

In fact, Jimmy Carter made the point that voters can't always understand our

ballots -- that's what he was saying was one of the reasons why our elections

couldn't even be monitored by his organization!

Organized patriarchal religion is going down . . . let's hope!

I'm disappointed that the decision didn't take on the religious aspect of the

support for this Prop!!

[xxqqqzme]

275. Of course you belong here.

I'm just up the beach from you and 'surf city' is a hell-ova a lot more conservative than your beach city. The only congress idiot I've known since moving here 23 years ago is dana whorbacher!

My kids grew up to be liberal democrats. When my son was married last October, 10 days before the election, they included a message of opposition to prop H8 at the end of the ceremony. I was proud of him for doing that.

[LakeSamish706]

13. For damn sure.... I sure hope this isn't over... n/t

[Kadie]

:grr:

[tk2kewl]

14. .

:mad: :cry:

[goclark]

15. Absolutely disappointed in my state

[11 Bravo]

16. Here, straight, and supremely pissed off.

[backscatter712]

17. Standing with you!

I stand with my fellow straight and GLBT brothers and sisters! The California Supreme Court can fuck themselves!

[Soylent Brice]

18. straight and upset/hurt/pissed

[hlthe2b]

19. Here....here...

Out of respect for sensitivities, I have stayed away from the post-decision threads... Thanks Hedgehog.. I was feeling rather left out and unable to show support.

[lame54]

20. "Not that there's anything wrong with it"...

Sign the Prop 8 Repeal Petition

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5722699&mesg_id=5722699

[Arugula Latte]

21. Another disgusted straight person here ...

:kick:

[rurallib]

22. any time rights are denied citizens I am pissed

[liberalmuse]

23. I'm livid.

And I'm going to rant right in this thread, if you beg my pardon. I'm sick of gays being treated like dogs. I'm sick of human beings being treated like shit. I'm sick of bigots. I'm sick of religion. I'm sick of a group of human beings smugly and arrogantly trampling on the rights of other human beings because of their own fears and prejudices. I'm sick of Republicans. I'm sick of homophobes and racists. Fuck them. This cannot stand. I don't want to live on a planet that fucks with people so casually. "Oh, sorry. You can't marry. You can't have the chance of having a family because you are somehow beneath being worthy of participating in our sacred rites." This is separate drinking fountains all over again. It is so clearly, obviously and fundamentally wrong that I can't understand anyone who would even think it could possibly be right.

[hedgehog]

Rant away. I saw a lot of threads with rants, but they all seemed to be from GLBT

folks. I wanted to make sure they know they aren't alone on this.

[Toasterlad]

131. Thank You. It's VERY Nice to Know We're Not Standing Alone.

[Mad_Dem_X]

263. AMEN! n/t

[Hissyspit]

24. .

[Shine]

25. "Love didn't begin with a court decision and it won't end with one either."

closing line at the end of this powerful video.
https://secure.ga3.org/03/wontbackdown/n5p1WhVpaDhuB?

Keep the faith. I believe in Love. I believe in Justice.

[canadianbeaver]

26. I'm totally with you .......this ruling makes me cry in my heart.

I just don't get it! Some have more rights than others...and that ain't right at all!!

Cryin for those who just want to love another, but are denied the right to make it just as legal as my marriage....what a crock!

edit:spelling

[rateyes]

27. K & R

[merh]

K&R

I'm disgusted by the ruling and will donate to the group that takes this to US SCOTUS.

[maddezmom]

28. I'm very angry

and very sad.

[appal_jack]

29. In solidarity...

I am angry that a slim majority of voters, and then a misguided court, have all acted to abridge the natural and inalienable right of citizens to love whom they choose, and be treated equally under the law.

I am baffled that this California Court should move itself toward irrelevance by deciding that the ballot initiative is an appropriate manner by which such natural rights might be denied. If courts cannot be the final arbiter to protect the rights of a minority against the tyranny of a majority, then who can?

I stand in solidarity with all those trying to live as free souls in an ever-more-constrained world.

k&r

-app

[flvegan]

30. I'm absolutely outraged.

[indie_voter]

31. outraged, disgusted, saddened, furious. n/t

[DinahMoeHum]

32. I may be straight but I ain't narrow.

Matthew 21:31 (New American Standard Bible)
"...Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you."

AFAIC, the GLBT's will be among the first as well.

:evilfrown:

Hey, if the government of California wants to screw itself out of a badly-needed revenue stream, that's their problem. Fuck 'em. It appears states like Maine, Iowa and Massachusetts are thinking smarter than that.

[sinkingfeeling]

33. Very sad day in California. I was hoping they would set the stage for the overturn of Arkansas'

ridiculous ban on foster care/adoption.

[myrna minx]

34. I'm angry and hurt by the injustice of it all. K&R n.t

[DKRC]

35. I was stunned at the decision

when it was first announced. Now I'm furious.

[havocmom]

36. My brother's marriage, my sister's marriage, have no effect on my marriage

I do not like my brother's mate. I do not like his mate's values or proclivities. It does not affect my marriage other than I am unlikely to invite them to holiday supper because the mate is a pushy, obnoxious person who thinks their own opinions are the only thing of value.

I ADORE my sister's mate. Kind, thoughtful, generous, invigorating, devoted to improving life for everyone. It does not affect my marriage other than we can enjoy couples activities. But, this is my sister's fourth state recognized mate, so one may wonder if my sister respects the institution of marriage LOL. Still, she keeps signing up, so she must value the institution. And this marriage has lasted a very long time so she finally chose wisely.

It DOESN'T AFFECT MY MARRIAGE that one sibling is married to a man and the other is married to a woman. And it shouldn't matter to anyone else which sibling is married to the woman and which to the man. All that matters is that those couples have legal rights and protections, state sanctioned and state protected.

I want the same rights and protections for ALL Americans.

It broke our hearts today, but really, all it meant was that the Intuitive Process is allowed. Now we get to work and put THAT little legal tidbit to work for all our GLBT 'siblings'. We ARE family and we need to make sure we work for true equality.

I am no longer heart broken. I am damned determined to help get gay marriage just as legal as any other marriage between consenting adults.

Roll up your sleeves and open up your checkbooks, DU. We have been handed a challenge by the California Supreme Court. Meet the challenge!

Equality!

[mahina]

37. Standing with you

You are not alone. Aloha.

[LaurenG]

38. K & R

[NJmaverick]

39. I am angry, sad and depressed

over prop 8. Not sure how much of that I direct at the courts. I sure then hell know I direct my anger at the assholes that pushed the bullshit law through the system.

[Iris]

40. straight and outraged checking in here

[Dragonfli]

41. We need to offer more than solidarity, we need to even the odds.

There must be some way that we can fight the bigots with them, hardly a fair fight mind you with so many holy haters crossing state lines against them.

I live in NYS what can I do?
It would be helpful if someone can help organize us the way the out of state holy haters were organized against them. I still have to believe decent americans outnumber the bigots. Those brain dead, fairy tale believing, raised from birth to hate fuckers can not possibly be representative of this nation as a whole.

Any ideas? How can we help our fellow americans gain some american rights?

[MineralMan]

42. Yes! The whole GLBT population has my support.

[me b zola]

43. K&R

[RetroLounge]

44. Yup

K&R

RL

[ohheckyeah]

45. The ruling is so wrong

and disgusting.

[DearAbby]

46. I weep for this country

and what they have made it become...I am so sorry. :grouphug: I stand with you.

[Mnemosyne]

47. Livid. n/t

[Mythsaje]

48. It used to be that whence went California, there went the nation

Not anymore, damn it all.

[Kahuna]

49. I'm very disappointed. I had hoped for the best. But I wasn't very

optimistic.
:grouphug:

[tnlefty]

50. I can't believe it.

Angry and still trying to understand the ruling as it doesn't make sense to me.

I can't believe that it is okay to deny a group of citizens the rights that other citizens have. I knew that the stupid amendment in TN would pass and it will take a lot to get things changed here, but CA?

[csziggy]

51. Pissed and depressed n/t

[progressoid]

52. K/R

[BuyingThyme]

53. kcik

[bdamomma]

54. here, why can't gay people just live their lives in peace.

[mentalsolstice]

55. I'm sad! nt

[Oeditpus Rex]

56. I'm ashamed to say I'm a life-long Californian

But extremely proud to say WE WILL NOT GIVE UP!

[Fleshdancer]

57. This is a disgusting ruling

It can't be implemented and it makes absolutely NO sense. :grr:

[Gormy Cuss]

58. I'm angry about Prop. 8 and disappointed that the court decision went as expected.

Since I'm not a lawyer I can't voice an informed opinion on whether this was a good decision from a legal standpoint but I can assert without qualification that the 52% of voters who voted in favor of Prop. 8 were wrong -- every last one of them.

[EFerrari]

86. Los Angeles County is an election mess and I do not believe

H8 passed there as reported. Too much of CA votes on hackable voting machines and our recounts are a joke.

[Uncle Joe]

59. I believe that ruling to be unconstitutional and patently unjust.

Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, hedgehog.

[spoony]

60. Yes, it's absurd that civil rights ever be voted on.

I can't believe it wasn't stricken down just for that reason if not the others.

[CrispyQ]

61. Another voice for equal rights for everyone.

This is a shameful situation.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

62. I stand in solidarity with my gay and lesbian friends!

What would you have us do to support your cause?

[Dogtown]

63. A grave injustice has been compounded. n/t

[JoDog]

64. Disappointed and angry

You cannot give rights and take them away by majority vote.

The prop 8 decision, in addition to being unfair to our brothers and sisters, sets up a legal slippery slope. Where will it stop?

[ElusiveSigh]

65. Indeed...

and hells to the yes.

[tekisui]

66. k,r, and pissed.

[uppityperson]

67. k&r

[D23MIURG23]

68. .

[WildEyedLiberal]

69. It's total bullshit

[murielm99]

70. I am angry.

I expected it, but I am still angry. Voting to take away someone's rights is un-American.

[blueraven95]

71. present

angry and saddened.

[WilliamPitt]

72. Aye

[helderheid]

73. K&R

[ismnotwasm]

74. here

[mile18blister]

75. count me in

I voted against Prop. H8.

[Raster]

76. From the Gay DU contingent:

THANK YOU!:kick:

[hedgehog]

183. Now I'm going to cry.

I am honored at your response.

[Raster]

273. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart!

I never ceased to be amazed--and profoundly grateful--at the levels of compassion and understanding of the good friends and family of the DU community.

None of us are equal unless all of us are equal!:kick:

[nolabear]

77. For shame, CA, for shame.

So many people hurt. So many lives toyed with. I am sorry we are taking so long to become reasonable in this country.

[supernova]

78. If some if us aren't free

none of us is.

KnR.

[Libertyfirst]

197. Supernova, You nailed it.

[mmonk]

79. Solidarity. We hold these rights to be self evident.

[Dappleganger]

80. Steaming angry...

and giant hugs and fists in the air with my GLBT friends.

[sixmile]

81. Will there be civil unrest?

Today in front of the San Francisco City Hall

[suffragette]

82. In solidarity

:grouphug:

[immoderate]

83. In solidarity...

with my gay brothers and sisters.

--imm

[noamnety]

84. k&r

[RoyGBiv]

85. Kick

:kick:

[EndersDame]

87. One day y'all will be able to be as miserable as us too!

all joking aside There is change in the air and not only will gay marriage be legal in CA but even in my home state of Texas!

[RFKHumphreyObama]

88. Please count me in

This is a sad day for civil rights and for humanity -unfortunately the latest in many sad days we have had recently on the issue of GLBT rights. In this supposedly "enlightened" age, it is apparently still acceptable to discriminate against and deny rights to a minority. The state that elected Earl Warren Governor more than 60 years ago has not lived up to his legacy.

This is not just a loss for the GLBT community. It is a gratituous insult to the concepts of equality, humanity, compassion and justice that we supposedly cherish as a society that belongs to the free world

Once again prejudice has won. But I do believe in the quote from Dr King that I put in my sig line. I have hope for the future even if I have deep disillusionment with this aspect of the present. We shall overcome

[a la izquierda]

89. Presente!

This straight woman is pissed and saddened.

When I moved to Oklahoma from California, I thought for sure California was so much more enlightened. Never thought that backwardness pertained to the Golden State...I was wrong, wrong, wrong. Backward, bigoted jackasses are everywhere.
:mad:

[democrank]

90. In solidarity....

[laylah]

92. K&R

[chocolate ink]

93. Checking in

Not surprised. I know people think of California as a 'liberal' state but when you live in any one of the red areas(I live in Bakersfield area)it has never seemed liberal to me.

Even though I'm not surprised I'm just monumentally angry, sick, disgusted-I wish our collective anger could somehow itself make all the fucking idiot bigots realize just how sick their stupid homophobic mindset is. Having friends and people I love having to lead secret lives for the most part is just plain hideous all around.

Forget about the bullshit about spreading democracy around the world when we ain't got it here. We are all diminished by this incredible injustice.

[book_worm]

94. What do people fear if gays and lesbians want to marry?

[shireen]

95. stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid .....

really, that's all that comes to mind. Prop 8, the damn court ruling is just simply so

STUPID

:mad:

[mitchum]

96. Human rights are human rights

[Bennyboy]

97. Count me in!

Sing the petitions and lets get this back on the ballot next year. We have to be far more vocal than last time however, we must take the fight to them instead of the opposite.

[grantcart]

98. ..

[Ohio Joe]

99. Agreed

Taking away civil rights from people is not the American thing to do.

[Jack Rabbit]

100. Checking in

!!

[kiva]

101. Checking in, K & R n/t

[Chorophyll]

102. Yes, I'm very angry!

Until we are all free, none of us are free.

[intheflow]

103. Very present and accounted for.

What happened in CA today was a gross miscarriage of justice.

[Riverman]

104. We cannot be a nation of people who can vote to take away any

rights from any group. That is the issue here. The Constitution of the United States of America was written, in part, to protect minority groups from the rule of the majority! The tyranny of majority, no matter how frammed, rationalized, argued or defended can never be allowed to attack moniorities simply for being a member of that minority. In this instance the Supreme Court of the state of California said the majority now has the right to vote away the rights of any minority groups where they can raise funds, put a proposition on the ballot and spend millions into scaring them about any minority group - who is next! How about old people who take up space in badly needed housing, hospitals, and assisted living centers just as the baby boomers are reaching senior citizen ship, and costing us millions in the last two years of their lives driving up our health insurance costs and rates. Let's vote for euthanasia of seniors who are clearly within two years of their inevitable deaths. Then let's go after homeless people, the mentally ill, the prison populations - god can't let them out on the streets threatening our children - can we? How about fat people - similar reasons as old people? Talk about running up health care costs and taking up more than their share of seats on airplanes and movie theaters. I am uncomfortable with fat people, you never know what they are gonna do. They might sit on me or my child and suffocate them, like that fat woman did with that child who was sat on by a fat security guard in taxes and suffocated the child. Who is next? Who? Maybe, you reading this? Wasting your employer's time reading the internet on company time! Let's put a proposition on the ballot to fire everyone doing that - wasting time, taking up a job that someone else could do better and driving up the costs of goods and services!

Let's turn our discomfort of those who we are not comfortable with and target them, their a member of some minority group anyway and defenseless. The will of the majority vote cannot be abridged - so sayeth the Supreme Court of the United States of America!

Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame!

[Greyhound]

105. K&R. Another step on the road to Hell.

The one we are creating here in case the other one turns out not to exist.
:grr:

[POAS]

106. Upset doesn't begin 2 cover it!

[dweller]

107. another here

i'm angry.

dp

[TheMightyFavog]

108. Present!

As a prominent humorist once said: "Gays and Lesbian couples should have the same right to commit to making each others lives miserable like we straght folks do."

A stupid decision.

California really has to seriously consder reforming the way they change their constitution.

Here in Wisconsin, In order to amend the constitution, the proposal has to pass two consecutive sessions of the legislature before going to the ballot.

[prayin4rain]

109. It's ridiculous. The whole concept of hhmmm let's decide if we

should give minortiy groups equal rights.. is ridiculous. What country is this? What year is this?

[CTyankee]

110. It's adding insult to injury. Please, GLBT Californians, consider coming to CT

where you can marry and live in peace. We need you here. You would love New Haven and my neighborhood in particular. I know we have crappy weather in the winter but there are advantages: close to NYC, close to the Cape and Martha's Vineyard. Good stuff. Y'all come!

Oh, and I'm not dissing CA. My daughter, SIL and grandson live there and I'll be going out to visit in 3 weeks. Can't wait! I know they'll be pretty bummed right about now. They were devastated on the day after Election Day, even as they were thrilled that Obama won...

[Politicub]

111. Thank you so much for this thread

It means a lot. We have a long way to go, but it's good we're in this fight together.

[Call Me Wesley]

112. Sad day for Human Rights.

It could have been an example, and it could have lead to other examples of equal treatments of humans.

Unfortunately, it was not. I have the rainbow flag in my sigline for years now, a small gesture of trying to show my full support of my sisters and brothers of the GLBT "community." I put community in quotes because it always sounded to me like we're talking about a little town somewhere, and we're not. We're part of the "human community," no exception, no differences.

The struggle goes on.

[renate]

113. I don't understand how the court determines what marriage is

If it's supposed to be based on love, then the legal system has no business telling people whom they can love; and if it's supposed to be based in law, then how can the law say "You can enter into a legally binding contract with this adult citizen but not that one"? It makes no sense whatsoever.

[Hepburn]

116. Exactly! n/t

[eomer]

114. I'm here.

.

[Hepburn]

115. Hell, yes, I am straight and upset!

What my state Sup Ct did today SUCKS! :grr:

[tosh]

117. All of the above plus....

I am befuddled at THIS kind of crap in THIS nation in THIS millenium. I thought the dark ages were centuries ago. Where is the enlightenment?

[Rob H.]

118. Sad, pissed off, and feeling down

I have a gay cousin who lives in CA, and one of my closest, best friends of 20+ years is gay. Those pro-Prop 8 knuckledraggers should be ashamed.

:(

[robertpaulsen]

119. Straight California resident pissed as fucking hell! K & R!

:kick:

[catzies]

120. I'm an upset straight Californian who has friends who don't have the same rights I do

and that's wrong.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

121. Count me in

I know so many wonderful gay and lesbian couples, and I do not want to stand in the way of anyone who has found true love.

[NashVegas]

122. Grrrrr

Another day to be pissed.

[Odin2005]

123. Tyranny of the Majority is still Tyranny!

The bigoted mob can go fuck itself!

[SeattleGirl]

124. Count me in!

[shadowknows69]

125. +1

I was really optimistic about this. I still can't believe it went 6-1. Completely disgusting. I will never again defend "baby steps" on this issue. California is probably lucky there aren't cities on fire right now.

[jimlup]

127. We will fix this!

It will take time (hopefully not that long) but we will fix this! Proposition 8 will be defeated.

[Captain Hilts]

129. Taking rights away is amazing. It's like the DC vote in Congress being taken away. nt

[Ikonoklast]

130. I am not upset, or angry. I am sad.

I just for the life of me cannot understand the logic behind this decision. Rights are rights, and they cannot be 'voted in' or 'voted out'.

One day, when people decide that everyone deserves the same life and the right to live it as they see fit, we will mature as a race of sentient beings.

[katandmoon]

132. K&R I am fucking livid!

[Betsy Ross]

133. K & R n/t

[Love Bug]

134. Add me to the list!

To my GLBT friends: I am truly sorry for this.

[bullwinkle428]

135. Another vote cast in solidarity.

[Zodiak]

136. It's a goodamned travesty

I am so friggin' angry that bigotry gets to ride in on a white stallion, and equality is not even allowed in on a donkey.

This country is overpopulated with overgrown children who cower under their beds afraid of boogeymen.

[Iggo]

137. Grrrr...

:mad:

[kestrel91316]

138. K&R. Put it on the ballot EVERY FRICKING ELECTION until gays have

full civil rights.

[demodonkey]

139. K&R There are all kinds of families, and it's about time we start recognizing this. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

140. Standing in Solidarity!!!

[Locrian]

141. full support here

Marriage is marriage... this (Proposition 8) is anti marriage.

[Stellabella]

142. I am SO angry.

How dare people think they can limit someone's rights by a vote?

[G_j]

143. K&R!!

[marmar]

Straight but not narrow......

Injustice against anyone is injustice against everyone.

[armyowalgreens]

144. Straight and pissed.

[JerseygirlCT]

145. Angry and saddened and frustrated, all that. nt

[tridim]

146. K&R for 100% equality. Accept nothing less.

[customerserviceguy]

147. Im upset by Prop 8

but I have to say, I was not surprised by the result. I'm much more troubled by a vote of the people that moves to remove rights from others, than I am by a court decision to abide by the results of that election, no matter how ugly they are.

Does this open the door for majorities to take away the rights of other disfavored minorities? That door was always open if a particular minority was not officially protected. In my lifetime, that protection has been afforded at the national level either by Congress (with the President signing the legislation, or having his veto overridden), or by the Supreme Court applying the standards that a clear majority of the states have demonstrated constitute justice. Sadly, we live in a country where 60% of the state constitutions have their version of Prop 8, waiting for the Supreme Court to overturn a law that those places have adopted just within the last dozen years may be futile.

This battle needs to be won in the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans, only that will produce a lasting justice for all.

[Kajsa]

148. Another straight against H8,here.

We will not quit until California has marriage equality for all!

Thanks for posting this, Hedgehog.

[LaydeeBug]

149. Straight but not Narrow...

This is appalling.

[Sultana]

150. Here!

Damn fundies!

[Bleacher Creature]

151. Straight, not from CA and royally pissed off. nt

[asjr]

152. This country has been sent back 200 years.

Slaves got married by jumping over a broom.

[Texasgal]

153. Extremely disapointed.

I will proudly stand by my Gay Brothers and Sisters until equality finally comes. Until then, I will make my voice heard. I will not stand for hate or bigotry.

[riderinthestorm]

154. K and R. nt

[GaYellowDawg]

155. Count me in.

nm

[Jakes Progress]

156. Another slice of shame for America.

We are better than this.

[wildeyed]

157. I am so sad.

It is an unfair, mean spirited law.

[katty]

159. present! Prop 8 is the continuing insidiousness of BULLSHIT

[bajamary]

160. A real bummer

California, it's time to have another Proposition that supports equal marriage rights for all adults.

This is, perhaps, the only way to overturn the CA Supreme Court's insane decision.

Although I live in Illinois, if there is such a proposition, I will contribute funds to this civil rights struggle.

Never, ever give up.

[katty]

162. never giving up! CA should be LEADING the way!! - this is

embarrassing for us here in CA. Demonstrations to come.....

[Mike 03]

161. I'm with all of you. This is so disgraceful that it's hard to be articulate at this moment.

This is a decision I did not expect.

It is not fair at all. It is also totally against the spirit of the California I remember growing up in where we were progressive, not prejudice and ignorant.

It's just so shocking, and of course I stand with the GLBT community and will continue to do so until this battle is won, for good.

[katty]

166. agree, live in CA, this isjust unacceptable

[uberllama42]

163. Upset but not surprised

The bigots are on the wrong side of history. Someday they will lose, and that day will come sooner the harder we fight for it.

[VenusRising]

164. Count me in as standing by our GLBT brothers and sisters.

I'm heartbroken.

:grouphug:

[AtheistCrusader]

165. Well.

Checking in, but I don't blame the court specifically, I'm still pissed off that Prop 8 was possible in the first place, by simple majority. And I'm pissed off at that majority that passed it.

How this is possible in the face of "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." is still beyond me.


De-federalize marriage, or allow marriage between all consenting adults. Enough of this separate but (in)equal bullshit.

[JohnnyLib2]

167. Sure.

Just came in from work to this very disappointing news. :grr:

[JNelson6563]

168. Solidarity

:grouphug:

This is a step in the way wrong direction.

Julie

[rosesaylavee]

169. I was certain that this would NOT be upheld.

:cry:

[ThatsMyBarack]

170. I just saw this on the teevee news.

I can't bear to watch it. The evil fundies will rub it in our straight-but-not-narrow faces! :mad:

[Auggie]

171. Californians WILL overturn 8

[Sparkly]

172. I'm with you.

:grouphug:

[CADEMOCRAT7]

173. Equal rights are for all ! We must fight for equality for all ! n/t

[AllyCat]

174. This ruling is unfair and unjust.

I heard someone on Thom Hartmann? Ed Schulz? say that if the voters had gone the other way in the election, the court would have ruled differently. They were supposedly out to create the least amount of uproar. If that's true, that's REALLY not justice.

[mwooldri]

175. Add me in... that decision was the wrong one...

... I know the UK has only "civil unions" and not marriage for same-sex couples, but this is a kind of a time where I wish I could confer British citizenship on a whole bunch of people. Alas, that power is beyond me.

Mark.

[trashcanistanista]

176. I did not think this would be upheld.

Let the lawsuits begin.

[Autonomy]

177. I am heterosupportive

Did I just make up a new word?

On edit: Heterosupportive def -- supportive of the rights of another who is different from you; supportive of rights that do not affect oneself directly

[Harry Monroe]

266. Count me in also as "heterosupportive"!!

You hit the nail on the head with that one!!

[fascisthunter]

178. late, but I'm Here

[tbyg52]

179. Absolutely furious, even though I was expecting it. nt

[Seldona]

180. +1 nt

[byronius]

181. 'Upset'? Try 'Fricking Enraged'.

[ddorrell]

182. Legally or morally?

I don't know enough about California law to know whether the legal ruling was correct, but I know that the voters who voted to deny same-sex marriages are morally bankrupt.

[Lisa0825]

185. Welcome to DU.

What I heard on the news is that they fully expected this ruling, and that it was based on legal technical issues. That doesn't make it suck less. The fight continues.

You are right that those who voted to deny equal rights to all are certainly morally bankrupt.

[MrSlayer]

184. I stand for equal rights. K&R!

It's nothing less than Anti-American to deny equal rights to anyone for any reason. Equality took a hit today in California but in the end it will prevail across the nation.

[Mister Ed]

186. This means there are no inalienable rights - only mob rule.

If a slim majority of a state's voters don't like my daughter's future choice of spouse, they can override her choice. If a slim majority has the notion that people with freckled noses should be dragged from their houses and tarred and feathered, then tarred and feathered they will be.

[lildreamer316]

187. So much for a fucking "free" country. Either we're free or we're not.

Sons of bitches.

[Raksha]

188. Straight woman kicking for solidarity.

It's hard to believe this happened in "progressive" California.

[katsy]

189. We're all diminished by this immoral ruling.

It is wrong.

And I am so very sorry.

[Happyhippychick]

190. Ashamed of my country and weeping for those who are told they are "less than"

Yeah, and I'm fucking livid too.

[stevedeshazer]

191. There are many millions of us.

We will change this.

We WILL change this.

[Autumn Colors]

192. Raises hand

Lived in CA for a few years. My boyfriend is a native Californian. We are sick over this, as is everyone in his family (still in CA).

[MikeH]

193. I am a straight San Diego, California male and am upset about Proposition H8

I don't know whether to be more upset about the ruling today or the fact that it was passed in the first place back in November.

I am angry about the religious people who feel, based on their religious beliefs, that it is their damned business to decide that a certain group of people are to be denied certain rights that other people enjoy. There were a lot of Yes on 8 signs on people's yards in my neighborhood, and sometimes not on anybody's property, right before the November election. I did not touch any of the signs on anybody's property, but I trashed a few signs which were along a sidewalk and not on anybody's property.

I am pretty certain, though, that the homophobic bigots who support Proposition H8 are on the wrong side of history, just like those who opposed civil rights were on the wrong side of history.

[Triana]

194. +1

Keep fighting. Time and history are on your side. This disgusting thing WILL be overturned.

[PopSixSquish]

195. I'm Beyond Angry at this Point and am Rapidly Approaching Enraged

It's called the Equal Protection clause of the Fourteenth Ammendment...LOOK IT UP!

[Hansel]

196. Here. nt

[Patsy Stone]

198. Disappointed and disgusted

I'm not sure what they were thinking, but I'm pretty certain they opened themselves up to a huge number of equal protection arguments. Hopefully, one of them will make it to the SCOTUS and the question will finally be addressed on the federal level.

[mikita]

199. K&R

[Laurab]

200. K&R nt

[Jester Messiah]

201. Agreed.

I find that my marriage is entirely unthreatened by same-sex marriage. I would welcome the prospect of more joy and love in the world.

[earcandle]

202. In Solidarity with my gay and lesbian friends here is a reminder of our

Democracy where we all count.

http://www.earcandleproductions.com/Democracy.mp3

An updated version of Leonard Cohen's fabulous song Democracy.

[redwitch]

203. Solidarity.

I'm in.

[hangman86]

204. A victory for bigotry today

Can't get my head around it. So sad.:(

[mopinko]

205. stupidity rules the day once more.

it will take a generation to get rid of the morons planted in our judiciary by wingnuts. it is a crime.

[HooptieWagon]

206. Count me in!

K&R

[NikolaC]

207. K&R

That was horrendous. My heart goes out to all of those loving couples who were slapped in the face again today.

[drm604]

208. This ruling says that a simple majority can modify the California Constitution.

It undermines the whole idea of a constitution.

Also, the idea that a simple majority can affect the rights of a minority is simply Un-American. Civil rights can't be a matter of rule by a simple majority. Popular groups don't need protection and, under this precedent, unpopular groups have no protection.

[nadinbrzezinski]

209. Of course, the civil rights of our days, that and the right to health care

amazing huh?

[jgraz]

210. K&R

[muntrv]

211. I'm straight and upset by the ruling. There really isn't "equal protection under the law."

[many a good man]

212. Count me in

I was shocked by the Court's decision today. Massachussetts jurists know a civil right when they see one, what's California's problem? This will not stand. I'm with you all the way.

[wellstone dem]

213. Thank you for posting this

[comrade snarky]

215. mostly straight

Totally angry.
Not so much about this decision, from what I've read it was based on an iffy legal argument. I'm mad that my adopted state let the bigots win a battle.

[Skittles]

217. HERE

YES INDEED :mad:

[I Have A Dream]

219. Please count me in. nt

[Canuckistanian]

220. It's an injustice comparable to the Dred Scott decision

It's the tyranny of the thinnest majority.

[mamaleah]

221. I am not angry, just very sad and disgusted

For anyone to be told they are not "good enough" to be married...it's just nauseating.

[SusanaMontana41]

222. Present

and pissed off.

[Lugnut]

223. It's outrageous!

I don't understand why some people are threatened by the marriage of two people who love each other.

[liberaltrucker]

224. Solidarity for my GLBT brothers and sisters!

Straight but not narrow.

:grouphug:

[susanr516]

225. Straight and pissed n/t

[Jean Louise Finch]

226. I'm on this list

It breaks my heart. I am sorry.

[KamaAina]

227. This one just got personal for me

Earlier this month, a presenter at a conference I attended mentioned that she desired to one day be married on Maui. As it turns out, the current candidate is female. Sadly, this would not be possible at present, because the same unholy alliance behind Prop H8 rammed a similar amendment through out here over a decade ago. And then I had to wake up the next damn morning to find that the Keystone Kops in our state senate couldn't even get civil unions done! I almost kicked the newspaper rack over. :grr: My new friend is only 28, so there's still time -- but who the hell are those bozos to tell her she can't be married here, because it doesn't say "M" on the right of her partner's driver license?!

Straight but not narrow,
K-A

[bertman]

228. I'm upset. It's disappointing, sad, and infuriating.

[orbitalman]

229. So stupid and illogical, I can hardly stand it. n/t

[NEOBuckeye]

230. Count me in. n/t

[Starry Messenger]

231. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

I'm incredibly angry. There should be no rest until equal rights are for EVERYONE. No backing and filling, hemming and hawing. This isn't rocket science. I don't feel like my rights are worth a fucking plugged nickel with this shit anyway. If they can do it to gay people, they can do it to anyone!! :(

[ClayZ]

232. K and R ! ! !

[GhostofRichardRorty]

233. They made a (mostly) legally defensible decision that is also politically savvy.

First, before anyone else attacks the California Supreme Court further, read the decision. Yes, I know it is 185 pages long, but the initial summary is only 13 pages, so at least read that much.

The opinion is at:
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/S168047.PDF

Second, let's keep in mind that this is the same Court that struck down the California law defining marriage as strictly heterosexual last year. They are not monsters or bigots. THIS decision is about the constitutionality of Prop 8, which is a constitutional amendment passed through clearly described constitutional procedures. They may strike us as silly procedures, but that is the way the California constitution is written. The ruling is not about the merits of gay marriage, but about whether the people of the state of California have the right to amend their constitution.

Third, had the Court struck down Prop 8, we would have witnessed a huge backlash against the Courts putting themselves above the democratic process. What can and should happen now is that Prop 8 will get overturned by the people themselves in another ballot initiative.

Lest anyone think that I actually like the decision, let me be clear that I do not. But let's start now to channel our energy into overturning Prop 8 rather than attacking the very Justices to whom Prop 8 was drafted to reverse!

[Agony]

234. I have and will continue to put pressure on my state senator... gay? fine by me.

SCENARIOS-Which U.S. states may legalize gay marriage next.
The New York State Assembly passed a bill on May 12 to legalize gay marriage but it faces an uncertain future in the Senate, where Democrats hold a slim majority. Solmonese is optimistic, noting that Governor David Paterson has said he is committed to "full marriage equality in New York State".

A poll released on Tuesday by Siena College showed New Yorkers split 46 percent to 46 percent on whether it should be legalized -- compared with last month's 53-39 approval margin.

Most New York Democrats, young and Jewish voters support Senate passage, the Siena poll found. Most Republicans, older voters, blacks, Protestant and Catholic voters oppose it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN26324189

Fucking morans --->“Today’s decision is a victory for democracy and a victory for the civil rights of clergy, county clerks and Californians across the political spectrum who did not want to be forced by the government to approve of same-sex marriage,” said Brad Dacus, president of the Pacific Justice Institute, a conservative group that supported Proposition 8.


This will likely be a long, slow, hard slog.

[Pat Riot]

235. and when they came for me, there was no one left to speak up...

Here's how I see it. What business does the government have in any marriage except the legal part, spouse's rights to visit in hospital, who gets property if one dies or they split up, etc.? Either we have separation of church and state, or we don't, and this bs says we don't. We are living in a theocracy in many ways, as someone else said. So even the lame, half-assed "we'll call it a civil union" compromise is crap. As far as the gov. is concerned, a heterosexual marriage is nothing but a civil union. The feelings between two people, and the religious aspect, if any, is nobody else's business.

Bill Maher said it on his latest show, California has thrown out the Constitution, and is now making its rules by special interest groups sending a person with a clipboard to stand in front of your grocery store asking you to sign their petition. The Mormons spent I forget how many millions of dollars on that one, targeting mostly Catholic Latino people. So I see it as a triumph of bigotry but also as honest, hard working, and well meaning religious people mislead by these more seriously evil bigots. Uh oh, I am starting to digress onto a different rant regarding abortion and the "religious" right, but I don't want to hijack this and I do not yet have enough posts to start my own thread. So y'all rock on with your lovely gay selves and hang in there.

[peace frog]

236. Sign me up

Straight and PISSED OFF. Standing in solidarity with my gay brothers and sisters.

[NMDemDist2]

237. here I am, I think it sux

K&N

[AnnieBW]

238. I'm straight and don't live in Cali, but I'm still pissed!

Seriously, hubby and I could easily move to Silicon Valley or San Francisco area if we could afford to. That would be two more votes for Marriage Equality.

Keep the faith, my brothers and sisters in California! We're with you!

[Proud_Lefty]

239. My heart aches for my dear brothers and sisters

Nobody deserves this. I will stand with you all the way. I just know deep down inside you will ultimately prevail in this battle. It's just all the scars that are so painful getting there.

[beac]

240. We have a similarly disgusting law here in Virginia.

It makes me sick that so may of our fellow citizens are okay with discrimination.

[WillyT]

241. It Was A Cowardly Decision !!!

Once again, I am ashamed of my state.

:banghead:

:kick:

Rec'd...

[memory]

242. here and tired of being surprised by unfairness

[DesertDiamond]

243. This is for all my gay friends in committed relationship. Justice will be done if we don't give up!

[FloridaJudy]

244. Straight and pissed as hell. eom.

[meuniermr]

245. K&R, people should be free to make their own decisions.

[sutz12]

246. Absolutely and fully agree....my condolences to my GLBT fellows

This mean-spirited, hateful bigotry needs to stop.

[Joe Bacon]

247. Count me in

My girlfriend and I got scared when we were accosted by a pair of Mormon Missionaries before the election. We refused to take their Yes on 8 crap. They got pissed off because I'm Jewish and she's black. THey then shot their mouths off about the church's real target is to overturn the Loving decision and eliminate interracial marriage. We know that we're the next targets of the Mormon Church. Fuck those bigots!

[blue_roses_lib]

249. Here, straight, and

completely and totally fucking pissed. This is total bullshit, and throws us all back to the stone age. If rights are taken from some of us, they are taken from ALL OF US. Un-fucking-believable. :wtf: :grr: :banghead:


To the GLBT members of DU, my friends and coworkers, I'm right here with you. :grouphug:

[farmboxer]

250. If Gays want to be married, they should be allowed to do such.

It is "their" lives to live and the damned government should allow them the same rights as everyone. I feel so sorry for them. The ruling against Gays is so unjust.

[Moonwalk]

251. Those who Sow the Wind, Reap the Whirlwind...

Prop. 8 made me more ashamed of my state than anything it had ever done in the past, and this decision, though expected, upsets and angers me. At the same time, I believe that those who thought Prop. 8 was a good idea, the fundies and bigots who imagined that putting an end to gay marriage in CA would put an end to it period, are now realizing that they've reaped the whirlwind.

This is not just because gays, who the Prop. 8 folk assumed would quietly go back to being second class citizens, are angry and willing to boycott and march. This is not just because their friends and families are marching with them, nor because sympathetic straight people are also joining in to fight for their cause. It's because anyone with eyes and a brain in their head is going to realize that if civil rights, equal rights for gays can be voted away so easily, they can be voted away for anyone for any reason.

My interracial marriage was, once upon a time, illegal. I have no doubt, that under the right circumstances, it could be made illegal again if fundies and bigots decided to target it as they've targeted gay marriage. I am not gay, and this doesn't affect my life directly, but it's personal. It's very, very personal. This fight is my fight. If Prop. 8 had not passed, if it had not been upheld today, I'd still be willing to fight, but I might not be ready to go to war. Now I am.

Here comes the whirlwind.

[proud patriot]

252. present

We still have our no on 8 sign up on our front porch .

[jeff30997]

253. Straight,sad and angry.

If this not a cruel,bigoted and totally unfair ruling I don't know what is.:(

[hardtoport]

254. I am straight and angry as hell.

I intend to keep raising hell until there is equality in all 50 states.

[billyoc]

255. An injury to one is an injury to all

If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine. - Ernesto Che Guevara

[eridani]

256. Fuck yesl But think of the demographic data

We are eventually going to win this despite setbacks.

[get the red out]

257. Definitely!

Not only is the ruling wrong, it doesn't make any sense! If you aren't married you can't get married - if you are married you still are.

That was WEAK.

I always thought California was more sophisticated than the rest of the country. My God, now Iowa has them beat. (No offense to Iowa, my state would rank about 49 on sophistication).

We just need a major turn around in this country, one state at a time doesn't get it. We need a Supreme Court that believes in equality then we might get somewhere. I just stay angry with the retro-neanderthal "religious" organizations pouring their cash over state lines to try to rule the lives of people they will never meet. That is frightening on all levels. That could destroy the rights of many more groups in this country. The cultists need to stay in the state that was set aside for their supremely ignorant asses and live the civilized people in this country the hell alone!

[creeksneakers2]

258. Here

Cruel and pointless. Its so sad to see so many hurt.

[Vidar]

259. Absoulutely agreed.

[Lerkfish]

260. kicked and recc'd

yup, I'm angry

[Dystopian]

261. KandR. We Are One. eom.

[Mad_Dem_X]

262. Straight woman who is pissed off!

It makes me sick that we can vote on whether or not certain groups of people deserve equal rights, and whether or not they can marry!

[theFrankFactor]

264. Fuckin' Dark Ages

[Harry Monroe]

265. A hetero married 18 years here, checking in in solidarity!!

I stand with you!! You have just much right as me to experience the ups and downs of married life!! May this discriminatory law be overturned!

[saracat]

267. Yes. I am angry. This is a Civil Rights violation.And effects ALL of us!

[redqueen]

268. Count me in.

It seems to me the California SC passed on their chance to explain why it's unconstitutional to allow people to put people's civil rights up for a referendum.

I could be misreading this whole situation, but that's how it seems to me.

[sandyj999]

269. I am totally straight and totally disappointed in this ruling.n/t

[nadine_mn]

270. I am beyond sickened by the ruling

to give part of a protected class some rights while the rest don't have it, this is constitutional lunacy

It would be like only giving some women the right to vote

[madmom]

271. I'm standing right there with you!

K&R

[Deep13]

272. Prop 8 is no better than laws prohibiting interracial marriage. nt

[backtoblue]

274. Present!

[area51]

276. Agreed. (n/t)

[s-cubed]

277. Love is all, independent of race, gender, sexual preferences, etc.. n/t

[callous taoboy]

278. Another straight dude in full support of my GLBT friends.

You will always have my full support, including giving money to PFAW.

[gbate]

279. Count me in.

[winyanstaz]

280. This decision is a farce and a shame...

It makes this court look like a bunch of nincompoops.

[wryter2000]

281. Absolutely

It breaks my heart that this has happened. I watched the same sex marriages in SF city hall from across the bay, and they were such joyous celebrations.

This will not last, though. They can't hold back justice forever. I doubt they can even do it for much more time at all.

[Tikki]

282. Dedicated to equality....

The Tikkis

[Johonny]

283. My state has massive budget problems

what kind of life do the people that pass crap like this live that this is even on their radar?

[Parker CA]

284. K&R Add me to the list.

[Starry Messenger]

285. There are several people who haven't posted in this.

They are notable for their absence.

[Forkboy]

286. I'm just fashionably late.

;)

[Starry Messenger]

289. I knew you'd be in here.

:) Hi Forkboy.

[Creena]

287. Present!

And not understanding why my gay neighbor isn't upset with this ruling. I'll be upset for him.

[Lithos]

290. K&R

I'm very upset about this.

[Pacifist Patriot]

291. Furious