I think its about time we take care of business in N Korea

[thewiseguy]

Those idiots are bound by no rules and treaties and are threatening war as of this morning.

I think Obama has got to send the North Koreans a clear message that if they take any military action then the United States will turn their country into a freaking parking lot.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090527/wl_asia_afp/nkoreanuclearweapons_20090527145726

[ixion]

1. oh, you mean like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan?

and Vietnam, and Korea (first time)...

You mean like we did then?

Oh yeah, I'm sure that's going to end well. :eyes:

[thewiseguy]

7. Iraq and Afghanistan were not testing nukes and threatening war.

We have to put away N Korea before its too late.

[Butch350]

29. Here, here!

[here_is_to_hope]

2. Yeah, lets cowboy up and just kill them all.

Do I really need a sarcasm tag here?

[Echo In Light]

6. *

[onehandle]

3. The last guy let them get away with murder.

Axis of evil my ass.

Bush was a pussy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Two points

the war did not end in 1953, there was just a ceasefire

This is north korea posturing

So how exactly do you expect the US to answer this? A nuke perhaps? Apart of the forces in the peninsula tell me where else are we going to get the necessary military forces to respond right now? Bear in mind, those forces in the peninsula are speed bumps and they know it.

I expect more of this, with little if any actual action. And if they actually act, then and only then we will need to respond... and I hope you are willing to march to war. This will require a draft. Mostly we don't have the active duty military... due to two wars.

By the way, they get that.

[L0oniX]

5. Hey ...how about you go over there and fight them for us. pffft

Some people just can't get enough of war and killing.
:crazy:

[Butch350]

40. Yeah. I've got some sharp pointee sticks and you can borrow my decoder ring.

[Vickers]

8. Grab a rifle.

:patriot:

[rrneck]

9. Kim is trying to blackmail

us by threatening us with nuclear proliferation so we'll help finance his crooked regime. It's a no win situation if we just require him to do nothing while we pay him. We have to figure out a way to make him do something like open up his society and let it progress. He doesn't want that because if his people actually find out there is a world out there they'll shit-can his ass before quick. But he's no real threat himself.

The real danger is if all that shit he's making gets spread around to people stupid enough to try to use it on us.

[Winterblues]

10. Are they threatening war or are we?

Are they the ones that are going to stop American ships and confiscate cargo. Are they the ones threatening economic sanctions? Or are they the ones saying they won't tolerate it and will protect their property even if it means war? Where do we come off Dictating what other countries will do or not?

[thewiseguy]

13. Hmmm I wonder how North Koreans managed to sell their nuclear technology to Syrians

Or why they are under economic sanctions in the first place? :shrug:

Definitely our fault!

[Winterblues]

17. Sort of like us selling our Nuclear technology to Israel

:shrug: I guess it is all in how you see the world. America always right, Asians always wrong..

[L0oniX]

42. DING DING DING

[louis-t]

11. He doesn't have to. They know.

N. Korea always does this when it comes close to negotiating. They think it makes they're bargaining position stronger.

[flamin lib]

12. Here's the deal. Kim is a nut job and can't be dealt with short of

some completely unacceptable military operation.

But Kim is old and his health is really bad.

Wait for him to die and try to reason with his replacement.

That pot's been simmering for a long time. Best approach is to just keep the pot from boiling over.

Patience is a virtue.

[thewiseguy]

16. North Korean military will take over once he is gone.

I do not think we would need to sit and wait for them to perfect their long range missle technology so that they can put a nuclear warhead on it and hold us for ransom.

Seriously, we need to take care of business right now.

[konnichi wa]

18. Does your magic 8 ball identify the first target of their nuke missile?

I might need some plastic and duct tape...

[konnichi wa]

14. Who gets to decide which countries can have nukes?

I'm not all that thrilled with Pakistan, India and Israel having them. Or Russia, various former Soviet republics, Great Britain, France...Brazil maybe?...the U.S.A.
:shrug:

[TheMachineWins]

15. Oh boy! Can we torture them too? Let's invent WMD lies!

Then, when it's all shown to be the worst war crimes ever committed in the U.S. we can just ignore it and focus on something else like "the economy" or "moving on"!

[Taverner]

19. OK - My solution. Engage China

Give them a reason to invade NK

Support the invasion

Chances are it will be a bloodless coup

[Forkboy]

20. So what do you think Obama should do?

[thewiseguy]

22. I think I was pretty clear about that in my OP

[Forkboy]

24. Are you advocating a nuclear attack or conventional one?

[Hugabear]

58. No you fucking didn't. What do you mean by "take care of business"?

Are you going to sit here and hide behind your vague OP? Please, tell us HOW Obama should "take care of business" with North Korea.

Please tell me that you're not stupid enough to actually advocate military action against a nation with nuclear weapons, artillery within easy reach of Seoul, and hundreds of thousands of troops poised to strike along the border.

[zorahopkins]

21. No! NO! A Thousand Times -- NO!!!

Engaging in threatening behavior would only bring US to North Korea's level.

We must -- simply MUST!! -- peaceafully and respectfully -- engage North Korea in talks aimed at understanding North Korea's grievances, and then work to resolve issues of mutual concern.

Threats, saber-rattling, and WAR are NOT the answer.

WAR is NEVER the answer!!

[cloudbase]

23. It might be best to let the folks

in the immediate neighborhood take the lead role in dealing with the DPRK. Of course, we could always send in Team America.

[shadowknows69]

50. Fuck Yeah!!!

[Javaman]

25. Yeah, because diplomacy is so stupid.

:eyes:

[thewiseguy]

26. Yes Diplomacy worked for the past I do not know how many years

The North Koreans now have nukes and we have not made any progress, Not to mention they are now working on long range ballistic missiles that can hit our west coast.

But that is nothing to worry about. Lets try diplomacy for a few more years, by then North Koreans should have long range missiles with nukes on em.

[wuushew]

32. Wrong

Not to mention they are now working on long range ballistic missiles that can hit our west coast


That is simply not supported by evidence. The DPRK really hasn't made any technical advancement in rocketry in 10-15 years. Those multi-stage Taepo-Dong were all conjectural threats drummed up to scare congress into funding missile defense.

Rockets are expensive complicated machines, there is really nothing to be gained by spending resources beyond already extant models that can hit Japan and South Korea.

Do you worry about Iran building a missile that can hit Antartica?

[thewiseguy]

33. Their last long range missile test went far better than the previous one

They are clearly making advances. Even their current nuclear test went far better than the last one.

[wuushew]

36. how about a link

What model missile and how many stages. I think you will find the Taepo-Dong 3/4 stages are vaporware or exploded.


The Taepodong-2 missile was first reported by Japan to have travelled 500–640 km from its launch site, Musudan-ri. However, this has been disputed first on July 7 by bloggers and later on July 10 by security experts, using simple physics calculation. They estimated that the most likely outcome is that it fell 1.4 km from the launch pad and attained a maximum altitude of 4.4 km, and that "almost certainly" it was a satellite launch at an inclination of 41 degrees or perhaps a three stage booster dummy warhead launch to impact down range in the south Pacific relative to South America. This has later been confirmed by US DoD and Japan's Defense Agency on July 30. The range is revised to be about 1.5 km from the launch site in North Korean waters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_North_Korean_missile_test

[thewiseguy]

39. Now compare that to what happened in March of this year

Nouth Korea informed the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) that it will launch a "communications satellite" Kwangmyŏngsŏng-2 on a Unha-2 carrier rocket between April 4 and April 8, 2009;<13> however, security analysts anticipated it would be a test of a long-range ballistic missile that could reach potential Japanese or mainland US targets.<14> On April 5th 2009 the rocket was launched at around 02:30 hours UTC (11:30 hours KST).<15> The US Northern Command said that the first stage of the rocket fell into the Sea of Japan, while the other rocket stages as well as the payload fell into the Pacific Ocean, and no object entered orbit.<16><17> Later analysis indicated the rocket impacted 2,390 miles (3,850 km) from the launch site, and that second stage operated normally but the rocket's third stage failed to separate properly.<18> North Korea maintains the rocket successfully put its payload in orbit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taepodong-2

[NeedleCast]

43. You seem to understand very little about how this works

First, there are two seperate factors of rocketry: Distance and Accuracy. NK does not have a rocket with the capability to reach the US mainland (or Hawaii). They do not appear to be close to developing one. They also haven't show the ability to be any more accurate with said missiles than being able to "accurately" hit the Pacific ocean with them, which doesn't speak well of their accuracy.

Also, IMO, if the US thought North Korea was a true nuclear threat to the us, we'd make sure they weren't a true nuclear threat to us...know what I mean?

[wuushew]

44. Again no advancement over their first orbital attempt in 1998

Considerably worse in fact.


On 31 August 1998, the first and only flight test of the Paektusan-1 was conducted at the Musudan-ri Missile Test Site. The missile was launched as a three-stage space launch vehicle (SLV), but it failed to place a small satellite, the Kwangmyŏngsŏng-1, into low-earth orbit. The first stage separated about 300km east of Musudan-ri, and the second stage fell into the Pacific Ocean about 330km east of the Japanese port city of Hachinohe, after flying approximately 1,380km from the launch site. The third stage, which used solid fuel, failed to place the satellite into orbit, but the first and second stages separated successfully and functioned properly. Debris from the launch was tracked to nearly 6,400km from the launch site.<8 >This test had a major impact on US and Japanese assessments of the ballistic missile threat posed by North Korea.

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/NK/Missile/1352.html

[shadowknows69]

51. They'll have a few and we still have thousands

That's not even M.A.D. it would just be suicide for them to attack.

[blindpig]

27. Nominated for 'DUzzy' award.

What a maroon.

[LaPera]

28. Let's git those damn Iranians too-I hear they got nukes -Only Israel is allowed to have nukes in the

region, Israel says so, and we better obey Israel.

But US weapons makers know the more nukes, the more threats of war and they'll sell billions of dollars more weapons...

Unrest is good for the arms biz....just like the republicans & it's off-shoot the NRA, telling the sheep that Obama wants to take away their guns....Man, biz is so good these hillbillies & city hicks are buying up every gun they can find.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. You mean after they've acquired nuclear weapons?

Go for it, Rambo.

[spanone]

31. yea, let's bring back junior* & cheenee and nuke the shit out of them

:sarcasm: ....i've seen where the last eight years got us, no thanks

[rvablue]

34. No. Being that they only have short range missiles,

it's the Chinese, the South Koreans and the Japanese who have to step up to the plate on this right now.

We can back up these countries, but the onus at this point is not on President Obama but on North Korea's neighbors.

[shadowknows69]

35. Hmm, a country that isn't bound to rules or treaties, constantly threatening war.

Pot meet kettle. Not in anyway defending North Korea but it's pretty hard for us to claim the moral high ground on anything for a while.

[GliderGuider]

37. Bingo.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. If Nukes and threats of war are the criteria. Does that go for Israel too?

Not to mention the "peace loving" USofA.

[NeedleCast]

41. What Message Should be Sent?

I think it's pretty darn well implied that any country starting a direct military action against a US allie is picking a fight with us as well.

North Korea has been rattling the sabre since the Armistance treaty. It's how they extort money, energy and food aid from their neighbors. I think that beyond ending any aid ties with North Korea, that the North pretty much knows where it stands in terms of military actions.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. "Bring it on."? "Smoke 'em out."? Worked ever so well in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Hugabear]

45. Okay, Mr. Armchair President. What would YOU do?

It's easy to hide behind a vague "take care of business" attitude.

HOW would you take care of business?

Keep in mind that North Korea has hundreds of thousands of troops poised on the border, and whatever troops we have would be little more than a delaying speed bump. Keep in mind that Seoul is within North Korea's artillery range. Keep in mind that North Korea could easily target our bases in Japan. Keep in mind that any all-out war with North Korea could easily result in TENS OF THOUSANDS of American troop casualties, and MILLIONS of civilian casualties.

With that information at hand, what would YOU do, since you obviously seem to have some grand scheme that neither Clinton, Obama, or even the warmongering BushCo had.

[LostInAnomie]

47. I know a certain 1.5 billion person country that might not be too happy about that.

[Xithras]

49. Yep. China will NOT let it happen.

I thought we learned that lesson in 1950. China does not want the U.S. to have any military foothold in any nation on its borders, and is willing to involve itself military to make sure that doesn't happen.

China is the only reason Kim is still in power. They don't like him any more than we do, but they like him more than they like us.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

52. If Kim Jong Il tries any real military action

against the South the Chinese will crush him like an insect and probably invade the North. The Chinese want stability above all else. They need K-Shizzle like a hole in the head.

[Xithras]

56. Very true. China is already having economic issues. The last thing they want is another Korean war

China does hundreds of billions of dollars in trade with South Korea nowadays, which would evaporate if Ill were to invade. They're not going to let that happen.

[ret5hd]

48. most inept username pick EVER!

[lib2DaBone]

53. What can the United States do about N. Korea? Nothing....

Our manufacturing base is gone.. dismantled and shipped to China. Our steel mills lay rusting and our rail roads have grass growing over them. We can't even make small arms ammo here anymore. It is sub-contracted to China.

And this week.. we are about to drive a wooden stake through the heart of our last production line and parts network. (Good bye to GM)

Our soldiers are tired and mentally exhausted after fighting 10 years of a useless phony war that only benefited Wall Street and sucked cash out of savings. U.S. soldiers are strung out on 135 bases around the world. Over 50 Million American workers are sick and tired with high blood pressure and diabetes because they can't afford to see a doctor.

Why do you think North Korea is thumbing their nose at us? They are not stupid... they can smell the decay in the United States.

If China says "jump", we will say "How High"... or China cuts off our credit. All this because of our genius politicians in CONgress and Senate (both parties), who are bought and paid for by the Bankster/Gangsters.

[gmoney]

54. Can we just send Lil' Kim some exploding cigars?

Or something to make his Elvis hair fall out?

[Bucky]

55. May I suggest you give up your day job as a hostage negotiator?

Diplomacy takes longer than muscling into someone's sovereign state, but it has its rewards. Like "not war" for instance.

[DeltaLitProf]

57. Keep in mind their artillery can level Seoul in half an hour

n/t

[Forkboy]

60. Hey, at least N.K. will know we mean business!

Mission Accomplished!

[The Gunslinger]

59. Actually it's about time we let China and Japan take care of that problem.

they wont be too happy about N. Korea having nukes and are capable of taking care of it themselves.