Obama to Face Gay Protest at DNC Beverly Hills Fundraiser Tonight

[Mari333]

President Obama, the alleged "fierce advocate" for LGBT rights, is scheduled to attend a Democratic Party fundraiser at the Beverly Hilton tonight, one day after White House spokesman Robert Gibbs refused to offer any official response to the Supreme Court's decision to uphold Proposition 8 in California.



http://www.towleroad.com/2009/05/obama-to-face-gay-protest-at-dnc-beverly-hills-fundraiser-tonight.html#comments

good good good good

i hope he faces gay protests, anti war demonstrations and more gay protests and more anti war demonstrations and more and more....

[Captain Hilts]

1. 'Bam saw how Dems tossed Clinton to the wolves for sticking his neck out on gays in the military. nt

[blueclown]

2. By Dems, you mean Sam Nunn right?

And Sam Nunn is no longer in the Senate.

Enough with the excuses.

[Captain Hilts]

5. The whole crowd of 'em. Times and Congress are different now, I agree.

But Obama is a cautious guy.

[blueclown]

7. You are going to need to be more specific.

Where is your proof that the entire Democratic Caucus from 1993-1995 threw Clinton under the bus for his stance on gays in the military?

[Captain Hilts]

8. Check the numbers. When Nunn, Warner and Powell went after him nearly all ran. nt

[blueclown]

15. What numbers?

And since when was Powell a Democrat?

[Baby Snooks]

60. He should have been more cautious during the campaign...

He shouldn't have made promises he didn't intend to keep. Which seems to apply to all the promises made to everyone.

Fool me once, shame on you. Obama will not get a chance to do it again. Some of us learned that lesson with Bill Clinton.

[ananda]

3. Good.

Inalienable rights should never be put
up for a vote... and the CA Supreme Court
was wrong in not ruling for human rights.

[closeupready]

4. Look at my sig line. He told us to hold him accountable.

So that's what public demonstrations do. He can't now say, this is no good.

[Howardx]

6. i'll bet he mentions it tonight

in person and all. hopefully that will be "official" enough.

[Captain Hilts]

10. Hard to say. He gives speeches in DC and doesn't mention DC voting rights. nt

[Howardx]

13. im thinking of the notre dame speech

he tackled the protesters concerns head on, i think that may happen tonight. i hope so anyways.

[nichomachus]

14. Too little -- too late

He's good at giving speeches. We need more than that. Remember this speech?

It’s wrong to have millions of Americans living as SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS in this nation. We can bring about real change for all LGBT Americans. I WILL NEVER COMPROMISE ON MY COMMITMENT TO EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL LGBT AMERICANS. I WILL USE THE BULLY PULPIT to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I WILL PROVIDE THAT LEADERSHIP. Together, we will achieve real equality for all Americans, gay and straight alike.

[Howardx]

16. you mean 4 months as president already

and he hasnt solved every problem yet?

[nichomachus]

20. Bullshit

No one asked him to "solve every problem." So put that fucking straw man back in the closet. But he has done nothing but give the GLBT community the back of his hand.

And this "it's only been four months" crap is wearing just a little thin at this point. Are you going to keep saying that for four fucking years?

He promised to use his bully pulpit -- nothing, although he did use his bully pulpit to put Rick Warren front and center. He did use his bully pulpit to put McClurkin front and center.

Despite his promise, he has shown absolutely no leadership on this issue. He could have at least made a fucking statement yesterday supporting the people who supported him.

What did we get -- a mouthful of horseshit political babble mumbled by his press secretary and only after a question was asked.

He's either a coward -- or he's playing us for fools.

[closeupready]

26. Can't you just hear it now - "But he hasn't even finished his first term yet! Give him time!"

:eyes:

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[FreeState]

28. Human rights are not special issues n/t

[theHandpuppet]

30. Well you knew that was coming

After exhausting the same litany of excuses, the "special issues" bullcrap is always the last insult fished out of the bag.

[Howardx]

32. the same "litany"

what bullshit.

[ColbertWatcher]

42. Don't you remember why the GOP forced people to "choose" ...

... between security and liberty?

Come on.

[Forkboy]

33. Could you tell us the date it's ok to be upset?

6 months? A year? His whole first term?

your special issue hasnt been addressed

You don't care about basic human rights. Thank you for making that clear.

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[RetroLounge]

34. "special issue?"

Gee, didn't see that bullshit coming...

:eyes:

RL

[Bluebear]

40. "your special issue" - Wow.

[ColbertWatcher]

41. Don't you remember why the GOP started those 2 wars and this depression?

Or have you forgotten?

[Neecy]

36. Rick Warren was more pivotal than we thought at the time

Notice after our outrage over Warren all we got was...silence? Not a 'gee, sorry this makes ya feel bad' or 'pandering to Rick Warren will further your rights - errr, somehow'. Not. A. Word.

DADT? Not. A. Word.
Prop 8? Not. A. Word.
DOMA? Not. A. Word

If this is a 'fierce advocate', I'd hate to see a lukewarm one.

I supported him all throughout the primary season, and I regret it. Deeply.

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[Canuckistanian]

64. I 'm sick of that phrase being used

Look, it's not a case of "solving everything at once", it's that Obama isn't even showing any indication of solving some of these problems.

And this attitude of "Sorry, but we have no plans to....." is not exactly inspiring confidence, is it?

GLBT people are like someone dying of hunger right now. And they're getting NOTHING in the way of sustenance from Obama or Congress right now. Indeed, they're losing ground in some areas like California.

DADT is one thing that could have easily been done by now. We all know it's going to be repealed some day, why not now?

What is this magical date when SOMETHING starts happening?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

17. I didn't know he said that. Which speech was it? (and thanks!)

[nichomachus]

19. February 2008

[Kurovski]

9. K&R. (nt)

[jonnyblitz]

11. k & r!

:hi:

[bobburgster]

12. Don't blame him!

They should be blaming the damn citizens of their state.

[Mari333]

18. he needs to step up to the plate

and condemn Prop 8 out loud. so the damn citizens hear him.

[Not Me]

24. And had he condemned it back in November, it would not have passed.

[Pushed To The Left]

50. He did come out against Prop 8, but not nearly aggressively enough

I'm still an Obama supporter, but he has really disappointed me on this issue thus far.

[mitchtv]

23. they used quotes from HIM in the campaign against us

what happened to "fierce defender"? What about his comments on IA VT? Oh yeah I don't speak Cricket

[bobburgster]

66. He still is a politician....

he needs to be careful. I doubt the material they used of his against gay/marriage was his doing. The responsibility is at the feet of your states residents.

[Eyerish]

21. K&R n/t

[arthritisR_US]

25. K & R! n/t

[liberalmuse]

29. I hope they do and I hope he listens.

I'd love for him to come out and say, 'Fuck it. I believe marriage should be between two consenting adults who are willing to love and commit to each other.' None of this, 'Between a man and a woman.' stuff. I think President Obama can handle protests, and I hope people take advantage of this opportunity to express their passion regarding this issue.

[FLAprogressive]

31. you mean "former fierce advocate" -- he barely said jackshit during the election and is silent now.

[struggle4progress]

37. That's funny. I don't remember such protests against Bush. I guess the Log Cabin

Republicans finally got it together. That's OK as far as it goes: the cause, after all, is just. But it would be nice to see some of this energy directed in a disciplined and analytic way against Congress, to repeal DADT. I know it's less exciting and more work: but it's also more likely to pay off

[Toasterlad]

38. Bush Never Promised to Do Anything for GLBT People.

If Obama doesn't want to face protests, maybe he should fucking do what he promised to do.

[Bluebear]

39. But Bush never claimed to be a "fierce advocate" for gay rights

[readmoreoften]

43. Yes. No gay people protested Bush. You really hit that one on the nose.

:crazy:

[struggle4progress]

44. Not exactly what I said. Read the two responses to me prior to yours: the logic of this

escapes me -- the argument seems to be Obama said he's on our side, so naturally we're attacking him

My real point, of course, is in the body of my previous post: it would make more sense to target Congress

[Toasterlad]

45. You're Not Really Getting the Argument.

And it's not that hard to grasp, so I have to conclude that you're being willfully obtuse.

Obama PROMISED to do certain things when he was campaigning. Once he was elected, he showed NO INTENTION OF FOLLOWING THROUGH on ANY of his promises to the GLBT community. We are protesting to remind him THAT HE PROMISED TO HELP US AND ISN'T.

Is that really so hard to understand?

[struggle4progress]

47. Great argument if: (1) Y'regard th'Pres as King; (2) Ignore everything contrary to yer theory; and

(3) Have no intention of creating lasting grassroots political coalitions

[Toasterlad]

52. So Then It IS a Great Argument

Because your conditions are ludicrous.

1) There is plenty that Obama could do on his own with no help from Congress. He could suspend the investigation and discharge of gay personnel as approved by the majority of the country. He could speak out favorably on the recent successes in Iowa, Vermont, and Maine. He could condemn the upholding of Prop 8 in CA. He could have the FDA remove the restriction on gay men giving blood, something the Red Cross has been clamoring for for years. And many others as well. Needless to say, he is doing none of these things.

2) Care to elaborate? What am I ignoring? Number of campaign promises made to the GLBT community by Obama that have been kept: 0. I DARE you to find evidence to the contrary.

3) What the fuck does that even MEAN? We're discussing the President of the United States and his cowardly inaction on all things gay related. What does that have to do with grassroots politics?

You know what, don't bother answering. Or do, I don't care. I'm making a mid-year resolution to avoid getting into discussions with privledged Obamabots who try and defend the indefensible, with absolutely no facts to back them up.

[Bluebear]

53. You mean th'facts and th'pony and th'poutrage

:crazy:

[Toasterlad]

68. Indeed. My Bad.

The condescending language twists DEFINITELY added weight to his argument.

[struggle4progress]

55. If your reaction is I'm a "priviledged Obamabot," I can only say: "Have a nice slog thru the swamp"

:hi:

[Toasterlad]

67. Ah, Yes. The Typical End to Argument With a Privledged Obamabot.

The storming off in a huff after failing to provide any instance of Obama doing anything positive for gay people.

[QC]

48. You want us to be the Log Cabin Democrats.

No.

[struggle4progress]

49. Not what I said: Th'idea, that four months into Obama's Presidency one should begin

attacking him, on th'grounds that th'President has not attempted by some dictatorial and royal gesture t'rewrite th'law, appears to me t'be a quintessentially Republican view -- it echoes th'Republican theory of th'President-as-king, and it serves Republican interests by blaming th'new Democratic president. I therefore regard the action discussed in this thread, as reflecting a Log Cabin Republican political approach

Naturally, no one can fairly complain if our GLBT brothers and sisters make common cause with th'Republicans amongst them, in an effort t'secure equal rights (which o'course should transcend party labels) -- but a community organizing perspective would attempt t'build a movement based on analysis o'local power structures and aimed at lower level political figures

[Bluebear]

51. "attacking him"

:eyes:

[struggle4progress]

54. Have a nice day.

:hi:

[defendandprotect]

62. Right . . . !!! Rather it looks to me like the American public is being atacked by Obama. . .

those who need health care -- those who are out of work -- those who are homeless!!!

And THIS is America!!!

We deserve an apology not to be keeping two wars going -- and bailing out Wall Street!!

25% of America's children are living in poverty ---

[Occulus]

56. Your speech might be all folksy n'stuff

but your opinions still sound like they come from a piece o'shit.

[Mari333]

57. ...

*lol*

[struggle4progress]

59. I suppose if you have no coherent view, then your calling me "a piece o'shit" is to be expected

[book_worm]

46. Mr. President, I like you and respect you and hope you say something tonight

regarding supporting gay marriage. Maybe if you do other politicians who are hiding from the truth will come forward.

[defendandprotect]

63. Ah . . . but I think he's hiding behind religious beliefs . . .

as though his religious beliefs should have anything to do with his support as

President of equal civil rights for all!

[roody]

58. Good.

[defendandprotect]

61. Who in the hell cares what Obama's religious beliefs are .. .

this has nothing to do with Obama -- it has to do with homosexuals and they

right to have equal civil rights!

PS: Obama should also stand by his pledge to end "don't ask, don't tell" -- !!!

[Christa]

65. K & R

Good, good!!

I hope he takes it to heart when he goes to bed with his wife tonight.