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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:45 PM
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Fear and Looting in America: Are We Really Out of Money?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/les-leopold/fear-and-looting-in-ameri_b_208153.html">From Huffpost


By; Les Leopold directs the Labor Inst/Public Health Inst. in NYC.

We got into this crisis because Wall Street invented and pedaled fantasy financial instruments that turned out to be junk. While their party lasted, those complex derivatives were a gold mine for the largest financial institutions. According to the New York Times, the profits from the nine largest commercial banks "from early 2004 until the middle of 2007 were a combined $305 billion. But since 2007, those banks have marked down their valuations on loans and other assets by just over that amount." In other words, the profits weren't real.

But let's back up a bit. What happened to the $305 billion of 2004 through 2007 bank profits that have since vanished from the banks' balance sheets? About half were paid out in compensation to executives, managers and traders. Yes, amazing as it may seem, when you work for a large financial institution you can be paid massive sums even if your work ends up producing nothing -- not even just nothing, but a negative result. All those autoworkers who are being blamed for the miseries of GM and Chrysler? They actually did make cars that are still transporting people. But the Wall Street players, who took home billions for supposedly making valuable financial instruments, were actually making economic weapons of mass destruction. And you can bet that much of their billions are safely parked in off-shore accounts and other low/no tax investments. In a sane and fair world, we would be thinking about how to get it back to help pay for the costs of cleaning up the toxic financial mess.

In 1982, the top 400 individuals held an average net worth of $604 million each (in 2008 dollars). By 1995, their average wealth jumped to $1.7 billion. And in 2008, the 400 top winners averaged $3.9 billion each.... The total for the 400 high rollers adds up to a cool $1.56 trillion. That's equal to about 10 percent of the entire gross domestic product of the US...


We certainly could have a heated argument about how much of this wealth derived from the derivative-driven boom that just went bust. A case could be made that much of this money is ill-gotten since it came from artificial financial instruments that were rated improperly, or came from artificially leveraged transactions that now have crashed the system as a whole. An even more contentious fight would break out if we discussed whether there is any justification for allowing that such sums to accumulate in the hands of the few, no matter how worthy any of these individuals may be. And we could have us a row asking whether or not a democracy can really survive with so much wealth in the hands of so few people. But surely we can all agree that those top 400 are sitting on a huge pile of money, while our country is going deeply into debt to fix a financial system that has contributed mightily to their enrichment.

Here's a dangerous thought. What if we had a very steeply progressive wealth/income tax that reduced the net worth of the super-rich to "only" about $100 million each? You wouldn't be suffering if you had $100 million kicking around. Now do the math: The 400 richest x $100 million each would equal $40 billion. That would leave about $1.52 trillion to help pay back the country for the Wall Street meltdown that we, our children and their children will be subsidizing.


As the author states, "Maybe we're not so out of money after all."

And maybe it is high time the beneficiaries of this system paid for it.

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:46 PM
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1. The money has to have gone somewhere
We really ought to take it back.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:53 PM
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2. millions of places
The big chunks may have gone offshore, but small chunks in $200K to $800K denominations went to 65-75 year old people who bought houses for $28K-$60k in 1958-1974 and sold them in 1998-2007 for $250K to $1M and high tailed it out of the hot markets. Many of these people did not turn around and lose money by buying at the top of the vacation/retirement market, because they had purchased their house in Florida in the early 1990's. Some of them may have sunk it in the stock market, but a lot of Depression babies put that money where they could see it- in insured savings and credit union accounts.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:27 PM
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3. Just look at the Forbes lists.
Edited on Wed May-27-09 08:28 PM by Greyhound
One of the favorite canards of the pro-parasite crowd is that "millions of retirees that have made out great" during this shearing or another. Soon followed by the favorite standard of, "but they earned it".

For those actually too dense to do the math, or so thoroughly brainwashed that they actually believe that "someday it will be me", everything is as it should be and this is just "a correction". For the rest of us, this is the latest looting of our labor and a few of us are pissed and want it back (look at the "security allowances" for the health industry parasites in the CEO salary survey out right now).

Kind of ironic that they have us paying to protect them from us...

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:50 PM
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4. Evening kick.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:08 PM
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5. K&R
:kick:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:45 PM
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8. Thanks. n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:15 PM
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6. knr nt
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:31 PM
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7.  knr
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:06 PM
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9. Why do we need Wall Street?...
Seriously, why do we need it? There has to be other countries out there that do fine without a Wall street of their own.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 12:48 PM
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12. "We" don't, "they" do. There is and always has been a class war being waged.
As I see it, the biggest problem is that only one side, the parasites, are waging it while we pretend to be "above that sort of thing".

If we ever decide that we are the rightful owners of our land and our product we could shrug them off like a mosquito. But as long as we believe/hope to be them someday, it will not change.

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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:51 AM
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10. K & R!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:59 AM
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11. Tight money is the entire reason for the recession. And money's tight
because the financial sector has pulled back on lending, consumers have cut back on consuming -

while those *with* money are waiting in the wings to scoop up all the cheap property that's coming onto the market through business & real estate defaults.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 07:40 PM
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14. The people with the money are the financial sector and always have been.
So we have a situation where the people that control the distribution and availability of the money have most of the money and are in the position to stop the flow of the money so that the real economy contracts causing values of real stuff to plummet which creates great bargains for those with the money.

And we keep buying into their game.

Go through the Forbes lists, most of the richest families, people, and companies steal their fortunes in the "financial industry".

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." Mayer Amschel Rothschild


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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 12:53 PM
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13. I'd be happy to reduce them to wearing barrels with suspenders.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 10:04 PM
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15. Ah, if only we could come up with some way of doing just that.
Like Eddie Murphy's line in Trading Places, "It occurs to me that the best way to hurt rich people is to turn them into poor people".


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