During a speech at a $30,000-a-plate dinner, President Obama ...

[ColbertWatcher]

Poll question: During a speech at a $30,000-a-plate dinner, President Obama ...

... made a remark about protesters outside the Beverly Hills Hilton:

"There were some protesters out here. I could hear them-vaguely. I don't know what they were protesting. I think there was a group of them. But one of them started to chant "Obama, keep your promise" and I thought, that's fair. I don't know which promise that he was talking about. But I thought to myself, you know, I like that."

--Daily Kos

From the selections below, choose the answer that best describes how you feel about his remark.

(EDITED TO ADD BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE) There is more to the quote, but no transcript of his full remarks have been found.

Here is a http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/obama-rings-up-cash-among-the-stars/?scp=2&sq=beverly%20hilton&st=cse">link to the New York Times coverage of his remarks.

Perhaps the DNC will one day post a full quote on their website?

(EDITED AGAIN) Full quote posted, with source for transcript.

[NYCGirl]

1. Here's the ENTIRE QUOTE for those who haven't read it:

There were some protesters out here. I could hear them-vaguely. I don't know what they were protesting. I think there was a group of them. But one of them started to chant "Obama, keep your promise" and I thought, that's fair. I don't know which promise that he was talking about. But I thought to myself, you know, I like that.

[ColbertWatcher]

4. Do you have a link so I can add the full quote? n/t

[NYCGirl]

8. Even better. Here's a filmclip:

Unfortunately, a short commercial precedes it.

http://www.politico.com/singletitlevideo.html?bcpid=1155201977&bctid=24514900001

[HughMoran]

70. Wow, that's Obama live and in person speaking the whole quote!!!!

Funny that the O/P would prefer a "transcript" to watching the actual living President speak the complete quote using his actual mouth!

:rofl:

[ColbertWatcher]

77. The OP would prefer something that won't disappear in a few months.

Or, have you not heard of Orwell?

[NYCGirl]

78. Unless, of course, Politico hired a look-alike to do that.

Makes you think, hmmmm?

:evilgrin:

[ColbertWatcher]

81. Or, perhaps Politco links might not last as long as a permanent transcript from a trusted source.n/t

[HughMoran]

83. ...thus you can never fix the partial quote in your O/P due to a "technicality"

You look like such a total political hack when you do something like this.

You are going to be so embarrassed by this post in like 2 hours. You're acting defensive and deliberately dense.

[ColbertWatcher]

86. I apologize. n/t

[The Doctor.]

140. I'm always impressed...

When anyone has the integrity and fortitude to apologize for what is, in reality, a minor issue at best.

I don't care that we may not agree.

It doesn't matter that I've always had respect for your positions whether we've disagreed or not.

It matters that you've always shown that you are willing to step back and take an objective look, right or wrong (I honestly can't remember thinking you were 'wrong', but I might have), at your position, your words, and the rationale of other posters who may disagree with you.

This trait that I have so much respect for is sadly lacking in so many these days.


Thank you for being a better person, I hope I would have the fortitude to do the same.

[Number23]

145. You... you just BLEW MY MIND

Wow. An actual grown-up around here?? Wow.

And I was prepared to post in your thread that there should be another option that said "There was never anything to indicate that there was ever a 'joke' being said in the first place. So no, this is not a big deal."

Wow. Pretty cool, Colbertwatcher.

[HughMoran]

146. 'Caught me off guard

Didn't know what to make of it, so I let it die there...

[ColbertWatcher]

154. Meh.

When a thread gets to a certain post count, it's very hard to keep up with the conversation.

[ColbertWatcher]

155. There's nothing stopping you from posting whatever you want.

And thank you.

[readmoreoften]

147. The full quote is worse. /nt

[ColbertWatcher]

153. That's what I was thinking, too. n/t

[HughMoran]

95. OMG! It's Barack the magic negro!

This is the look-alike the right-wingers were telling us about!

:rofl:

[11 Bravo]

104. Again with the fucking facts. Get that shit out of here, don't you know ...

that there is outrage that needs to be expressed?

[HughMoran]

115. Not teh facts!

The outrage!!

[Brooklyns_Finest]

134. Wow!

This is what the "outrage" is about? Are you people serious? Apologize? For what? There are real reason to be angry at the President, but something like this is absolutely absurd. This right here is some rehashed primary bull shit. I say get out of your homes and get a life. The real outrage would be if Obama actually does apologize for this non-issue

[ColbertWatcher]

141. The President apologized to Nancy Reagan, he should apologize for this. n/t

[mtnester]

159. How would you know about primary rehash?

On DU?

[HughMoran]

11. Uggh. DU imitates Faux &/or CNN

:eyes:

[CreekDog]

40. Not the first time

It's not even the 1000th time.

:eyes: :wtf:

[backscatter712]

18. And it wasn't just gay-rights protestors out there.

There were out there, as were CODE PINK and ANSWER protestors. So Obama heard "Keep your promises" and literally didn't know which group was saying it and which promise they were talking about.

[Neecy]

30. yes, totally!

Because we know that Obama made soooooooooooo many campaign promises to Code Pink, and ANSWER, and Armenians....of COURSE he was talking about everyone but teh gays....

[ColbertWatcher]

32. Don't forget the Armenians were out there too.

I'm sure the President had enough people around him to keep track of all the groups protesting.

His mind is agile enough that he can keep all those different groups straight (no pun intended).

It's not like he is expecting people to have one issue to protest. After all, he doesn't do that.

[omega minimo]

48. Is there a choice for that in the poll?

[rvablue]

58. I'm such a dupe. Tried to ask Colbert Watcher to amend the quote and lookey here!

the full quote is the first response to CW's thread and it still hasn't been changed.

Things that make you go, hmmmm!

[ColbertWatcher]

92. I apologized and changed it. n/t

[seabeyond]

69. he wasnt even making a friggin joke. he made a comment. even this poll isnt accurate... n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

113. The consensus was that he was making a joke. n/t

[seabeyond]

119. because a poster starts a thread that is a lie saying obama made a joke about gays....

no one even knew about it and the poster left out the whole quote and every jumped on the "joke" that wasnt. that is the really stupid part of it

[ColbertWatcher]

128. Excuse me. Are you referring to THIS thread? n/t

[seabeyond]

132. no. n/t

[ncteechur]

143. some folks here who go ape shit crazy about every LITTLE thing said or not said, done or not done

need to get a freaking grip. (My apologies to the apes of the world. No offense intended.)

[ColbertWatcher]

144. The cowboy is no longer President; we can raise expectations now. n/t

[readmoreoften]

148. Yeah, his total failure on a civil rights issue is a "little thing." With friends like you

who needs enemies?

[Vidar]

162. Obama was just being honest.

[Bucky]

2. You forgot one option AND the full quote

Option: "He was commending those who try to hold public officials' feet to the fire when he said 'I like that'"

[ColbertWatcher]

3. You know, I went looking for the full quote, do you have a link? n/t

[Bucky]

Um, there's a DU thread around here someplace that links to DKoz that has a link...

it'll take me a second. But it's your thread. You should do the legwork too.

[ColbertWatcher]

9. I asked google and that's what I used to make the OP. You're the one saying it's wrong.

Help me make it right by showing me where you got the info that says the quote I used is incomplete.

[Bucky]

7. Here ya go

http://www.politico.com/singletitlevideo.html?bcpid=1155201977&bctid=24514900001

[ColbertWatcher]

10. Politico? Is there really no other source? n/t

[NYCGirl]

13. It's a filmclip — I don't think there's any politicizing going on in it. NT

[seabeyond]

72. absolutely. i read full quote, isnt a joke, isnt dissing... he made a comment

and patting protesters on back. being respectful

[ColbertWatcher]

87. Where did you ead the full quote!? Please post a link! n/t

[seabeyond]

98. quote, ABC news, is that an ok place for you

“There were some protestors out here, I could hear them vaguely -– I don’t know what they were protesting. I think there was a group of them. But one of them started to chant, 'Obama keep your promise'. And I thought that’s fair."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/05/obama-rakes-in.html

isnt it your job to get accurate info before posting a thread dissing obama. and no joke. it was a comment

[ColbertWatcher]

110. Actually, the transcript from Daily Kos (which has been added to the OP) ...

... has one more bit after that to complete the full remark.

One more thing, I asked google for the quote and posted what I found.

The people replying said I didn't post the full quote. At first not providing any links to the full quote, then posting links to videos, which may be good for a while, but often disappear.

I prefer transcripts.

[earth mom]

5. 30K a plate? Let the peons eat cake. nt

[notesdev]

14. Yeah seriously

That's what caught my eye, not some lame joke. In times like these... and with an election over three years away - hell, he just finished his first 100 days!!! - people with $30k to burn get access to the President while the rest of us do not. To me, that's a problem far greater than anything that happened on the sidelines. Are we officially a pay-for-play, banana republic?

[Boojatta]

66. "people with $30k to burn get access to the President"

Access to the President? I figured that most of them were simply hungry people with weak money-management skills.

[Individualist]

107. That was my first thought as well.

[Mari333]

6. The protesters didnt have 30,000 bucks to fork over

to get his ear.
a good leader would have not only listened to the protesters, but met and spoke with them.

[FreeState]

12. Joking about civil rights is always uncalled for - weather its included in a group of protesters or

not.

[NYCGirl]

15. Please watch the clip. He was ADMIRING the protestors. NT

[Neecy]

19. wow, I haven't heard that one yet

[NYCGirl]

35. Yes, that's what "I like that" means. NT

[readmoreoften]

149. No, he tacked on some bullshit about admiring the protesters after dismissing them.

He just tagged on a CYA because, after all, he is a Democrat.

[ColbertWatcher]

156. Actually he said "like". He didn't say he admired them. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

17. My thoughts exactly. Mr. President, you owe the protesters an apology.

Regardless which group he meant.

[stillcool]

41. I admit I'm late to this party...

but the clip I saw had groups protesting the President's lack of calling out genocide in Armenia, Code Pink, and gay rights activists. I also did not see the joke. Perhaps you could fill me in on what I missed? Obviously it is not contained in the video I saw.

[ColbertWatcher]

160. The OP has a link to the transcript of Obama's remarks. n/t

[seabeyond]

74. it wasnt a joke. it was a comment. geeesh..... n/t

[Boomerang Diddle]

16. The fake outrage over this joke is absurd.

People are actually searching for a reason to become outraged.

Then they wonder why we are labeled as the angry left!

[ColbertWatcher]

21. Your passivity is duly noted. n/t

[HughMoran]

25. Fix the fucking lie that is the partial quote in the O/P before edit period is up

,

[Neecy]

27. why do you think the full quote is any better?

If anything, I think it's more insulting.

[HughMoran]

33. Insulting? It's self-effacing

What the fuck is wrong with people here - read everything he says with a negative interpretation now??

[Neecy]

It's your opinion that it's self-effacing

It's mine that it was a smart-ass, insensitive, jerky thing to say.

What the fuck is wrong with people here - read everything he says with a fanboy, teeny-bopper interpretation now??

[HughMoran]

47. Well, I watched it and it was 100% appropriate

Not sure what he was supposed to say - at least he acknowledged the protesters (rarely ever done) and he said "I like that". It's not his fault that the stupid audience laughed.

[The Doctor.]

142. Your point of subjectivity is fair.

That is something that cannot be discounted.

The factual evidence lends itself neither to a 'self-effacing', nor 'smart ass' attitude. On face value, he admitted that he didn't know what it was about, but that he liked it.

As a Constitutional Scholar, it is fair to believe that he asserted a pro-democracy stance.

If you choose to believe otherwise, you are welcome to do so... and Obama would like that too.

[readmoreoften]

150. SELF-EFFACING? No. It's an insincere perfunctory gesture after a cowardly comment.

Then again maybe he effaces everything he says because he stands for nothing. And maybe that's why no one trusts him or reads him negatively. They know it very well may be one of those times he's screwing them over to "reach across the aisle" and embrace the political enemy. Embrace the enemy enough and you become indistinguishable from it.

[ColbertWatcher]

164. I don't know about all that.

I just think far too many people are making excuses for his off-handed remark.

Of all the assessments, this entire sub-thread seems to be the most spot on.

[ColbertWatcher]

29. I've asked for a link to the full quote! n/t

[HughMoran]

31. Post #1?

Is that not it?

[ColbertWatcher]

36. I don't know. I asked for a link.

I posted in the OP what I found using google.

If someone has another link, please, please, please post the link!

[HughMoran]

43. So the actual video posted as a response to your request was not good enough?

I watched it, why don't you - it's only 43 seconds long.

[ColbertWatcher]

50. Is there no transcript? I thought we were not posting crap from Politico anymore? n/t

[HughMoran]

53. Lamest cop-out ever. It's a video of Obama - the exact point of this thread

What's the problem?
...and we call the press lazy?

[ColbertWatcher]

57. I'm looking for something more permanent than a video clip from Politico.

How about a full transcripts of his remarks from Washington Post or New York Times?

Is it on the White House site yet?

I'm still looking.

[HughMoran]

63. oh. my. gawd.

:rofl:

[Boomerang Diddle]

54. I voted in your little poll although having a poll over this

is quite trifling. It was a harmless joke yet people are acting as if the future of the world is now doomed because Obama told a joke.

[EFerrari]

60. Illustration: Minimizing the concerns of others via put down and ridicule.

Check.

[ColbertWatcher]

67. No, you're exaggerating he importance of an off-handed remark made by the President. n/t

[EFerrari]

22. Invalidating how other people feel is a personal attack, not an argument.

[Boomerang Diddle]

45. I'm not responsible for your hurt feelings.

If you choose to feel personally insulted over childish nonsense, that's up to you.

[EFerrari]

49. Thank you for the excellent illustration of your anti-social behavior.

[Boomerang Diddle]

55. LOL!

You're a trip!

[EFerrari]

59. You bet. And, thanks for yet another one.

I couldn't have ordered anything up that is as good.

[HughMoran]

51. Others fake outrage is worthy of discussion here

This is one of the stupidest fake outrage episodes ever in DU history IMO.

[EFerrari]

56. Your O is noted. Being unable to read other people must be hell.

Being unable to read a whole community will at some point have a direct effect on you.

I hope you get some help for that, for your sake.

[HughMoran]

64. Whole community?

Lol - apparently you can't see the poll results on your end.

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

65. It's good to know that the Democrats are doing so well

that they can just discount some voting blocks!

[HughMoran]

73. Yeah, this inferred insult will surely drive off millions of voters

This line of discussion is so entirely stupid that I can't stop laughing out loud as I answer these silly protests.

Crying wolf 24/7 tends to turn people off...

[EFerrari]

75. Thank god you aren't running anyone's campaign.

[HughMoran]

79. I thank god every day that I'm not running anybody's campaign

Talk about "not my strength" - lol.

Oh, what was your point? :)

[fair trade soy chai]

68. What is fake about this outrage?

[ColbertWatcher]

163. No one can answer that question. n/t

[seabeyond]

76. this is like the most absurdly worst i have seen yet on du. n/t

[Bluebear]

90. Why "we" are labeled as the angry left - - - could you be more obvious?

[msongs]

20. "those weapons of mass destruction must be in here somewhere" nt

[ColbertWatcher]

23. Ho, ho, ho! Very funny, Mr. pResident! Such a kidder! n/t

[seabeyond]

80. have you read the full quote? it wasnt a joke. a comment saying he liked hearing protesters

holding his feet to the fire. and you have an issue with that?

[ColbertWatcher]

82. Do you have a link? n/t

[seabeyond]

89. you know very well what you are doing. the first poster on your thread provided the quote

and another provided a link with film that actually has obama saying it himself instead of interpreted as one may please. and you refused to put it up.

[ColbertWatcher]

99. I do know what I'm doing.

I've been burned so many times with links that are good for a week or two, then get Orwelled and disappear.

How can anyone post anything without a link and expect to be believed?

[seabeyond]

102. but even being told, you post it as a joke cause people that want to be angry insisted it was a joke

at gays expense and it was nothing, nothing of the sort.

i was surprised this was your post, so please dont take my posts personally, .... i love your posts. BUT.... lol, this pissed me off, due to the other thread.

[ColbertWatcher]

108. I'm sorry. My polls are never as precise as I'd like them to be.

I do try to put as many options as I can think of.

Nonetheless, I always miss a few.

[Bluebear]

24. Oh goody, a poll will solve everything.

:)

[ColbertWatcher]

28. A poll is another way to get people to see other peopl's points of view.

BTW, my last count has it at 50-50: half don't give a shit and half see a reason for the President to apologize.

[Bluebear]

37. Fewer people care about gay rights here than Obama's feelings

They act as though he's made out of cake or something. We'll see how the numbers play out.

[rvablue]

38. Hard to get at people's point of view when you leave out 2/3 of the quote.

That is exactly what the RWers are doing to Sotomayor. It's disingeneous. YOu should complete the quote and see what you get then.

[ColbertWatcher]

42. I googled and posted what I found. PLEASE post a link so I can correct it. n/t

[NYCGirl]

44. We posted a link and a filmclip. What more do you need? You can hear it

FROM HIS OWN LIPS.

[rvablue]

52. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8437962

with a link to a DKos diary.

[11 Bravo]

111. If somebody hires a fucking skywriter to spread his actual wordsacross the sky ...

will that satisfy you? You have no idea how absurd you look demanding "links" when you have already been provided with a videotape of the actual incident.
And if you think that George Orwell or the boogeyman or the mother-fucking toe monster is going to disappear that clip, then download it and save it!

[ColbertWatcher]

114. I accept your apology.

The full quote--with link--was added to the OP.

Opps, did I swap the message and subject line again?

[11 Bravo]

116. Apparently you edited the OP while I was reading all 2,365 of your requests for a link ...

that you had already been given.
If you are serious about hoping for an apology, I would advise you to hope in one hand and shit in the other. Do let me know which hand fills up first.

[ColbertWatcher]

118. What wonderful advice! n/t

[11 Bravo]

125. Then by all means, follow it.

[ColbertWatcher]

127. LOL! n/t

[rvablue]

46. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8437962

with a link to DKos.

[ColbertWatcher]

84. Why not link to Dkos? Or to the source linked-to from DKos? n/t

[Forkboy]

26. I think it was intended as a comment about holding his feet to the fire.

But he has to be aware of the Prop 8 decision, and he has to know that one of the groups outside was there because of that, and that many of these people are hurting a lot. In light of that alone I think the situation called for more tact than a flippant remark, even one directed at himself.

[EFerrari]

71. Exactamundo. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

101. Yes. Flippant was the word I've been looking for all day. Thank you. n/t

[stillcool]

34. Which promise was he talking about?

and how was that making fun of protesters?

[ColbertWatcher]

39. He has a staff of people who can tell him which person asked him to keep his promise.

I'm certain he will divulge that in the coming days.

[stillcool]

61. it was a lot of people..

not one person. At least in the video..
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/28/736393/-Obama-Doesnt-Mock-Gay-Rights-Protestors-at-CA-Fundraiser.(Updated)

[Hannah Bell]

62. what's he doing at a $30K/plate dinner, anyway? His campaign fund was in the black last I heard.

A room full of people who can pay $30K for a meal, but "we can't afford" welfare in california.

[ColbertWatcher]

123. I'd have to check, but I don't think the fundraiser was for himself.

I thought it was for California democrats.

Of course, I could be wrong (check a few of the posts in this thread).

[BlooInBloo]

85. People are poutraging over this? Sheesh.

[ColbertWatcher]

88. Took you long enough. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

93. Been working a lotta hours lately.

[ColbertWatcher]

94. Dude, you need to take breaks or something. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

96. After working all Mem Day weekend, I left early today, and not goin in tomorrow...

I'm good. :)

[ColbertWatcher]

100. Post #85? Well, you need to snark earlier than that. n/t

[HughMoran]

91. Uh-oh

You used the "magical" word :)

[jesus_of_suburbia]

97. Fuck the gays! Idiots pout about EVERYTHING.

:sarcasm:

[ColbertWatcher]

106. Exactly. For a guy who gets criticized for "taking on too many issues" ...

... he implies that protesters should be more organized and pick just one idea so he can know what we're talking about?

That would be laughable if it wasn't so undemocratic.

[ProgressIn2008]

103. How very... Marie Antoinette. nt

[solstice]

126. Perfect description.

[MADem]

105. Which protest group was he supposed to be "disrespecting" at the venue?

There were three groups of protesters, all with very different agendas in front of the venue.

Or was Obama supposed to use his X-Ray vision and super-attenuated hearing to determine which group was chanting which slogan?

I'm sorry--this IS a stretch. Particularly in the context of the full comments.

[ColbertWatcher]

112. There was AT LEAST three groups protesting.

He doesn't need super powers not bestowed upon him by the freepers who dismissively call him "Messaiah," all he needs to do is ask anyone in his staff to keep him informed.

His remark was flippant and he needs to apologize for it--just like he did for his unfortunate remark about Nancy Reagan.

[MADem]

117. More than three groups? All the more reason for him--or his staff--not to

try to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

His purpose at that venue wasn't to address the protesters (even though you seem to think it was). His purpose was to address those who were donating to the party. Politicians actually do fundraise--it's not a secret, it's not a surprise. There was enough exhortation here on DU to donate to politicians during the primaries--but the beat goes on (with the Big Spenders, especially) even in the off-years. Commercial airtime ain't cheap.

His remark wasn't flippant. Or, let me put it more accurately, since that's a problem here--his remarkS were not flippant, so long as one doesn't take them out of context and try to flog them in an inaccurate way to foment an aggrieved response.

You're determined to be angry with him though, so you'll never see his comments as anything but fippant, and you'll even dabble at truncating them to make them appear, in writing, all the more so--it suits your POV, for whatever reason. That's certainly telling.

[ColbertWatcher]

120. Don't try to guess my emotional state, or, more accurately, stop projecting.

Your response has a lot of words in it, but misses the big point: he is the President and people will protest wherever he goes.

He's got to know that.

And, we the people, will protest or, at the very least, try to get his attention.

You may not believe his remark was flippant, but it was.

He knows it was and he should apologize for it, just like he apologized to Nancy Reagan.

[MADem]

121. You're the one who is the projection expert--describing Obama as "flippant" when the tapes

don't show that at all. You are projecting your ideas about Obama's attitude during his remarkS, and they're at variance with reality.

I simply don't agree with you. I find your analysis completely flawed and your effort to "edit" what he actually said indicative of an agenda that is not congruent with veracity.

You have a "belief" but it doesn't match the evidence that my eyes and ears experienced. I don't think. as you insist, that Obama "knows" his remark(s) were flippant, either--if you'd watch the tape, it's obvious that they weren't. His remarks were light and friendly.

You're not going to get me to change that view by simply insisting that I am "projecting" and complaining that I use too many words to suit you.

I'm not projecting (weak argument, often used when no other is viable). I'm stating simple facts. I don't see Obama addressing protesters "everywhere he goes," either. Sure, protesters are part of the landscape--that doesn't mean he must drop what he's doing and attend to them instead of the purpose for his presence at a particular venue--and in this instance, that wasn't going to happen. They were outside, he was indoors.

But the "Big Point"--if we're going to be straightforward, here--is that you substantially edited what Obama said to prosecute a POV you held. You committed the great big Sin of Omission. When people do that sort of thing, and get called on it, they lose credibility. You did it to yourself, now. No one did it to you.

[ColbertWatcher]

122. When he made the Nancy Reagan remark no one saw/heard anything flippant, but ...

... he apologized anyway.

Because while it may seem fine for you and me to say, the President doesn't talk like that.

[MADem]

124. The only person trying to equate that remark with these remarks is you.

Wonder why that is?

Perhaps....gee, because they have absolutely NOTHING in common? Could that be it?

Why, golly--I do think that's it!

And sorry--you don't get to decide how the President talks. If you did, you'd be taken to task by every living citizen for the shitty job you did after the 2000 election up until this Democratic administration took over.

[ColbertWatcher]

129. "you don't get to decide how the President talks." Fascinating. n/t

[MADem]

131. You asserted you did, though. You're apparently easily fascinated, too--by your own comments.

..the President doesn't talk like that.


.

[ColbertWatcher]

133. I'm sorry. I wasn't agreeing with you.

I was just shocked that someone would post something like that given the 8 years of Dumbass.

The President is held to a higher standard. This is why we Dems picked an educated person with the intellectual curiosity missing from the previous occupant and why the GOP put an airhead one very old heartbeat away from the Presidency.

I want my President to know how to pronounce "nuclear" and not make jokes about serious things. I expect my President to know when he has made mistakes and apologize for them when he does.

[MADem]

136. You're the one getting declarative about how the president should or should not talk.

I pointed out that if you're taking it on as a chore, you fell down on the job for the last eight years.

And now you are over-analyzing. Shocked? Please. I was "shocked" that you tried to "edit" Obama's words, and only pulled back when a bunch of people jumped on you for it. It was blatant. I'll give you credit for realizing that you played it too hard, and corrected your agenda-laden OP, but you still persisted in trying to sell an abbreviated POV. That's just not a terribly honest way of approaching a discussion.

You have a nice night, now.

[ColbertWatcher]

137. "you fell down on the job for the last eight years." Slow down, there. n/t

[MADem]

138. Have a nice evening, now! nt

[ColbertWatcher]

139. You too! n/t

[Neecy]

109. gee...

The fanboys had better trot over to GD-P and recruit some Obama teeny-boppers pronto, because you're slipping below 50%....

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

130. $30K a plate pretty much made my brain turn off. The base of the "have mores"

that Bush referred to. Disgusting and emblematic of everything wrong with our political system.

[ColbertWatcher]

135. Well, technically it is Hollywood, so the prices are skewed. n/t

[readmoreoften]

151. Class war. Hollywood can afford it, but not the gay folks on the street swamped in legal bills

and all sorts of issues that a simple legal transaction could remedy.

I agree. $30K a plate said it all.

[ColbertWatcher]

152. Actually, I think I got that wrong.

I've seen a few other stories that said the cost was $30,400 per couple.

[roamer65]

161. Bingo. 30K a plate dinner in the middle of the Great Recession.

:mad:

[ecstatic]

157. uggh... when will the faux outrage end?!

Some of you can't be serious! And why is the cost of the dinner mentioned as if previous Presidents didn't have expensive dinners/fundraisers? Tired of the double standards!

[ColbertWatcher]

158. !

Faux outrage!

!

Sorry, now that we have a president who can pronounce "nuclear," we can raise the expectations as well.

He made a dismissive remark, he can apologize for it. I think he's up to it.