Man, 29, fathers 21 children by 11 women

[Christa]

Desmond Hatchett's extended offspring came to light after authorities in Tennessee in the U.S. took him to court for non-payment of child support.

He has apparently set a U.S. record but said: "It just happened"

Many Knoxville residents called for him to be castrated.

But Mr Hatchett said he would not have any more children. "I'm done. I'll say I'm done," he said.

Hatchett, who earns a minimal wage, told TV reporters he knows the names and ages of all his offspring.

Their ages range from newborn to 11 years old.

Authorities in Knoxville said they plan to take half of his monthly salary to pay for the youngsters but officials said that would work out to just over £1 a week for each.

His lawyer Keith Pope said: "The children can't all be supported by Desmond, so the state of Tennessee has had to step in."

He even boasted of fathering four children by different women in the same year.

Hatchett's name appeared on court documents 11 times representing 15 of his 21 children.

U.S. authorities are now braced for more women coming forward to claim Hatchett is the father of their children after he appeared on local TV.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5404316/Man-29-fathers-21-children-by-11-women.html

[Hannah Bell]

1. no offense, but who cares? this isn't the jerry springer show.

[LostinVA]

4. I do, because we and his children wind up paying for his tomcatting

To quote Judge Judy,"Keep it zipped or get it fixed."

[Hannah Bell]

7. oh, yes, the bad, bad man. all together now, 2 minute hate for the dirty bad man.

i'm sure he's responsible for half the recession all by himself.

[JI7]

27. who is blaming the recession on him ? even without a recession

he would be an asshole

[LostinVA]

39. As you are well aware, I said nothing of the kind

Taxpayers will pay for his fucking around, and the children will pay in many, many ways. His ass should be incarcerated for non-support.

I'm not a "man hater," so I don't know where your bile is coming from.

[votingupstart]

111. i think your right on

i am upset at the lack of concern he has for his actions, and quite frankly i am a little upset that its accepted that the state will take care of the results of his actions (we all know how easy it is to get help from the government), i am concerned because in these days of an ever shrinking budget the children who are the blameless stand to get the biggest shaft.

[Robb]

79. Thank you!

I haven't seen such a classic straw man argument in, like minutes. :D

[depakid]

40. As if the women don't bear responsibility too!

WTF were these a bunch of southern fundies?

[LostinVA]

47. Women can have about one child a year, tops

So, that holds down the damage.

[LisaL]

48. Hah? Forgot the octo-mom, have you?

She had 8 in less than a year.

[Captain Hilts]

51. Hard to crank 'em out any faster than that. nt

[TahitiNut]

65. They don't. They accidentally fell on his erect penis and were innocently impregnated.

There's a lot of that going around. :shrug:

[Fuzz]

104. I wish, wouldn't that be fun.

;)

[TankLV]

176. No - but they're all BUSY RAISING & CARING FOR HIS CHILDREN!!!

while he's STILL hopping from one hole to the next...

and my term is not to denegrate the WOMEN, but HOW HE THINKS OF THEM...

This is THE case that SCREAMS for CASTRATION...

[PassingFair]

91. The mothers are probably raising and supporting the children.

Fathers bear the responsibility as well.

This guy needs to support his children.

If he can't make enough money, he should
do odd jobs around their houses.

[bluestateguy]

2. Cut his balls off

The taxpayers are pleading!!

[madokie]

3. My fundie neighbor sent me this in a forwarded email

it must be making the rounds in fundie land

[Burma Jones]

32. Tell your fundie neighbor that the guy is a poster boy for reproductive rights......

[Fuzz]

105. Put him in a suit and on the RNC platform in 2012!

[TankLV]

177. Does he know Bristol Palin?!!!

just asking...

[Burma Jones]

185. Biblically?

[LostinVA]

5. To quote Judge Judy: Keep it zipped or get it fixed

[Hannah Bell]

9. judge judy? are you shitting me? her function is exactly equivalent to dr. laura

schlesingers: to shame & blame the proles.

[LostinVA]

38. She is a well-respected Family Law Judge who is full of common sense

She also supports Teh Gays, so no, she is nothing like "Dr. Laura." Judge Judy also has a real JD and a real career.

[Hannah Bell]

150. she's a shill who gets paid millions to humiliate the proles, in order to indoctrinate

the public with the view that this is how they deserve to be treated by the "law".

[Christa]

10. This is why I oppose opposite marriage

just sayin'

[JVS]

14. It's the mothers' fault. No ring, no thing!

[L0oniX]

81. Rap that pecker before you inject her.

[marzipanni]

109. Good idea, then you can still spoil the rod and spare the child(ren)! n/t

[Orrex]

6. His Lila Rose chimed in yet?

Conservatives won't know what to think about this until they're told what to think about this.

[hfojvt]

93. Who the heck is Lida Rose?

The girl he wanted/promised to marry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCpCxD6Em8k

[Orrex]

121. There's a discussion about Ms. Rose here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5747486

Sounds like a winner, that's for sure.

[Orrex]

8. Why did all of these vile harlots tempt him into fornication?

[bigtree]

13. oh, no

He obviously tricked all the women into unprotected sex with him. Sneaky devil.

[JVS]

30. Because they're dirty no-count mooches looking for a child support handout

[shadowknows69]

53. I hate to say it but they exist. I've heard women say it about themselves

Hell, I've heard Army wives calculating what they'll make if their husband dies in Iraq/Afghanistan. People get real truthful and real ugly in the back of a taxi, and as driver you get too much information. I think most people are essentially good by default but there were a few who used to make me wonder.

[joshcryer]

133. The UK has a very subversive welfare program, if you have a lot of kids your whole life...

...is essentially taken care of by the government. It's a much bigger deal over there.

[proteus_lives]

164. You're a cabbie?

That must be very interesting. I bet you have some stories, it must a helluva people-watching job.

I would like to ask, do you like the people-watching aspect or is it generally too negative?

[shadowknows69]

167. Used to be a cabbie, and it got too negative.

If you go deep in my DU journal you'll find a bunch of stories I did about what soldiers were telling me about the war.

[proteus_lives]

192. I just might do that.

I always think it's cool to meet folks who have had interesting occupations. (I've had a few myself!)

:hi:

[shadowknows69]

194. You should hear my stories from radio

[L0oniX]

82. Church can have that effect.

[d_b]

102. big pimpin

[JVS]

120. spending cheese

[d_b]

122. troof

[JI7]

11. "He even boasted of fathering four children by different women in the same year."

scumbag

[kaiden]

12. The Denver Broncos had a player like that -- Travis Henry.

I think he had 8 kids by 8 women and he was 24 or 25.

[AngryAmish]

44. Steve Garvey

The Father of Our Country

[Captain Hilts]

50. Chris Gatling of the NBA. nt

[Sebastian Doyle]

124. Yeah, but at least he could support the kids.

Shawn Kemp (formerly of the Seattle Supersonics) had a similar "legacy".

I don't excuse their actions whether they're professional athletes, or Mormon polygamists, or whatever, but I'm slightly more tolerant of the dogs who can support their own kids.

[Hannah Bell]

15. the fact that still, with 10% unemployed or underemployed, "democrats"

are happy to hate on some minimum wage schlub, is sad, sad.

[JVS]

18. Yup

A pound is what, $1.50. If half this guys weekly wage is about $35 there is no way he can nor should be expected to pay child support.

[Orrex]

19. No is hating on him for being a minimum wage schlub

[JVS]

23. No they're hating on him for not supporting his children, which is impossible on his meagre wages...

so it's a HUGH difference.

[JI7]

25. i would hate him even if he could afford it

[JVS]

29. Well aren't you a nobly hateful person!

[LostinVA]

41. Me too -- he's totally irresponsible

[Orrex]

45. Man hater

That must be why you're NC17.

[LostinVA]

46. Since you're a man and I like you, you get to call me "Feminazi"

[Orrex]

83. Your logic is impeccable

I'm convinced!

[LostinVA]

90. hehehehe

[hfojvt]

96. It doesn't bother you

that he confused you with J17 in his reply?

[LostinVA]

97. Orrex and I go way back -- no worries

[Orrex]

125. It's okay, because LostinVA routinely confuses me with Hugh Jackman

[Hannah Bell]

151. so what? bernie madoff is totally irresponsible too, so is george bush, they've harmed

more people & cost you more money than this poor schlub will ever fathom.

[Orrex]

165. Good point. Everyone who's fucked fewer people Madoff and Bush is above reproach

:eyes:

[Orrex]

31. If he voluntarily ran up a huge credit card debt that he can't support, would he still be a victim?

[JVS]

34. Show me the DU poutrage over people declaring bankruptcy due to credit card debt.

Of course, credit card debt, or dare I even suggest defaulting on a mortgage because your house has depreciated to below the value of the loan are the province of a wealthier class of people than this guy. And I don't see people calling for their castration. This guy can't pay child support for 21 kids. Accept it and move on.

[Orrex]

36. I agree that the calls for castration are over the top, but...

you're suggesting, in essence, that no one can object to anything unless they object to everything. By that logic, all we need to do is find and get angry about the most egregious bastard of all, and everyone else gets a pass.


And, by the way, DU has more than a few members happy to condemn people who, due to circumstances beyond their control, are driven to unsupportable credit card debt.

[AllentownJake]

86. See your missing something in Human psychology here

We have a desire to reproduce that has been so hard wired into our brains. We also now have logic that says we can only support so many children so most of us do it responsibly.

When a guy goes off and fathers 21 children, something in our lizard brain goes off and we realize this guy is winning because he has now passed more of his genes into the genetic pool than the rest of us, and we are going to pay for it.

Also the reason people hate Octo-Mom so much, she's got 14 little DNA factories out there and we are paying for it.

[Hannah Bell]

152. nope, because the same hatred isn't directed, say, at the 7 children of the fabulously wealthy

farish oil family.

the only reptilian thing in this equation is the human ability to calculate who's beneath them on the totem pole & thus safe to kick.

[Hello_Kitty]

178. Oh FFS, give it a rest.

The guy's a fucking irresponsible asshole and those children are going to pay the price. And if the oil sheik is neglecting his kids then he's an asshole too. I have a friend from Africa who grew up in a polygamous family with lots of children. He told me he met his father only twice in his life and described the lack of relationship with his father and the way his mother was treated as very painful for him growing up.

Just because you CAN have a lot of children doesn't mean you SHOULD.

[Hannah Bell]

193. who cares? none of your business.

[quakerboy]

135. It might be because

I don't see any possible way that 1 man can be a responsible and loving father to 21(that we know of) children, each of whom deserves to have a father who cares for and has time for them. Not even if he were the Prince of Saudi Arabia with all the money oil can buy.

Its not the money. Its the irresponsibility toward a child. x21.

[Zookeeper]

156. Bingo. Exactly. Thank you! n/t

[JVS]

182. Where did you side on Dan Quayle vs. Murphy Brown?

"each of whom deserves to have a father who cares for and has time for them." Seems to be following a line similar to his lambasting of a TV character for electing to deny her child precisely that, a father.

IF FOR NOTHING ELSE, DAN QUAYLE DESERVES POINTS for audacity. In modern America taking on a popular TV character, even a fictional one, is politically more precarious than taking a clear stand on a substantive campaign issue. And yet the Vice President dared to argue last week in a San Francisco speech that the Los Angeles riots were caused in part by a "poverty of values" that included the acceptance of unwed motherhood, as celebrated in popular culture by the CBS comedy series Murphy Brown. The title character, a divorced news anchorwoman, got pregnant and chose to have the baby, a boy, who was delivered on last Monday's episode, watched by 38 million Americans. "It doesn't help matters," Quayle complained, when Brown, "a character who supposedly epitomizes today's intelligent, highly paid professional woman" is portrayed as "mocking the importance of fathers, by bearing a child alone, and calling it just another 'life-style choice.' "

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,975627,00.html

If you don't agree with Quayle, please explain why it is acceptable for Brown to choose to deny her child a father by her decision, but is not acceptable for the father in this case to make an identical denial.

[Hello_Kitty]

175. It's all over DU, all the time

Not calls for castration but definitely plenty of holier-than-thou finger wagging at "irresponsible spenders". And it's perfectly fine to judge people for their financial situation but gawd forbid you suggest that anything is wrong with having as many pweshus widdle baybees as you want, without regard to your ability to care for them or the effects of your irresponsibility on those children or the rest of the world. Oh no, the right to overpopulate the planet with "little miracles" is sacrosanct, even here on DU where people are supposed to have a little more critical thinking ability than the average person.

This guy can't pay child support for 21 kids. Accept it and move on.

Um, who do you think will paying for those kids now? Fairies? No, the taxpayers will and this is the kind of shit that pisses voters off and makes them not want to fund social services.

[JVS]

180. Who has suggested mutilation of debtors?

[Hello_Kitty]

181. I clearly stated in my post that no one had.

My point, which you completely ignored, was that it's okay to a lot of DUers criticize people's spending habits but never their procreation decisions.

[JVS]

183. Your point is a bunch of bullshit hyperbola drivel about how nobody questions people having too...

many kids. You can find plenty of what you claim is a persecuted opinion in this and other threads. Visit a Duggar thread.

[Hello_Kitty]

191. Whereas your suggestion that no one can criticize over-spending was not bullshit hyperbole?

Rick Santelli is making a career out of it these days.

[Sal Minella]

54. Not "hating on him for not supporting his children" but having contempt

for someone who deliberately fathers children he cannot possibly support and obviously has NO INTENTION of attempting to support. This is child abandonment and child endangerment on a grand scale.

And for those who will say "why didn't the women insist on protection" --

I've never tried to put a condom on a man who didn't want to wear one, but I suspect the result would be less than satisfactory for the cause of responsible parenting.

[AllentownJake]

20. Sorry, this guy is a stain on society

[Hannah Bell]

28. who cares? he's one guy. who cares? there have always been irresponsible schlubs.

they don't run the world.

[AllentownJake]

33. True that,

However this is DU, put a thoughtful post about the people in power screwing us you'll get 8 responses and 10 recs.

Put a post on some guy having over 20 kids. Everyone wants to weigh in.

Its a mirror on our society as a whole.

[Orrex]

37. Human nature

Post a thread about your cat who needs surgery, and you'll get a thousand responses. Post about a human neighbor who needs an equivalent surgery, and you'll get maybe half a dozen.

[LostinVA]

42. I like my cat better than my neighbors

[Bluenorthwest]

71. I like my neighbor's cat

better than my neighbors. And I like my neighbors just fine. Their cat is very gregarious and visits regularly.

[LostinVA]

95. I like our neighbor's, and their dog and kids, I just like our cat more!

[TahitiNut]

70. There're at least 11 mothers who, at one time at least, disagreed.

Beware the power of the schwartz. Or is that 'schwantz'?

:dunce:

[Deja Q]

117. True, but by saying as such, we are the ones in the wrong.

This place is bass-ackwards at times, I swear.

That twerp IS a stain on society.

[JI7]

22. nobody is hating on him for being minimum wage, i hate Jon and Kate also

[LostinVA]

43. I hate them, too -- and Octomom and the Duggars

And someone I used to work with who had nine kids and made the older ones stay home all the ime and RAISE the younger ones.

I ahve a problem with them morally and ethically.

[bluestateguy]

26. I forgot

Working people must never ever be criticized. They are the salt of the earth that can do no wrong!

It must be the fault of "the man", or "BushCo", or the Council on Foreign Relations!

[Lorien]

98. I don't care if he makes minimum wage or six figures, it's still wrong

to father so many children that he won't be a father to. My dad was something of a tomcat too, but at least he had the sense to get a vasectomy. If this guy can't afford one (they cost around $350 at planned parenthood), then the State should offer him one. Believe me; it's not fun being the child of such a man; helping your mother to survive on one salary by taking over of the traditional housewife duties by the time you're ten years old, with dad only occasionally popping by to fulfill court orders.

[anonymous171]

103. +1. nt

[nini]

108. Regardless of one's income level that person needs to act responsibly

it would sure be a lot less expensive to buy some freaking condoms - or perhaps use his hand - if he cannot support the child he may be creating.

Personal responsibility is everyone's issue.

Having one or two kids unplanned is one thing, but somewhere along the line he needs to take the risks of having sex seriously.

[AllentownJake]

16. Idiocracy

Great movie, probably our future, except less cutesy and more violent stupid mobs.

[WeDidIt]

55. GMTA

That was the first thing I thought of when I read the subject of this thread.

[stuntcat]

60. "probably our future, except less cutesy and more violent stupid mobs."

precisely.

I'm so glad I'm almost 40.

[AllentownJake]

67. I'm 30 and I don't think I want to have Children

The more I think about it, the less I want to continue the infestation. Other than having more dangerous tools, I don't think we've made any progress in 2000 years.

Plus I'm pretty sure slavery in some form will be re-instituted legally in the next 50 years. Probably as a punishment for bankruptcy.

[sammythecat]

166. That's it.

It's hard to be optimistic and think we're going to be able to avoid that.

[JVS]

17. If this man is too poor to pay child support, then maybe the mothers should have thought about...

that before bearing his children. :nopity:

[Christa]

21. Thinking is painful for some people

Dontcha think?

[JI7]

24. i find it hard to have sympathy for the women who knew he had a bunch of kids already also

[Blue_Tires]

153. +1

i'm willing to bet at least 3/4 of the 21 will turn to crime as a result of shitty parenting...

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

35. My thoughts on this

are that both the man and the woman are equally to blame for having unprotected sex. (Interesting that the snippit doesn't give the ages of any of the mothers.) The people who really suffer from this situation are the children. How many will ever get to know their father? How many of them will have mothers responsible enough to give them the time and attention that children need in order to be ready for school and ready to be responsible citizens? How many of these children have some family other than their mother upon whom they can rely for such support?

[fasttense]

49. What a horrible thing to do to 21 unsuspecting children. n/t

[surrealAmerican]

52. Let me guess ...

... He thinks birth control is "immoral"?
Why does the irony of that never occur to people like him?

[AllentownJake]

56. Nah, he's just probably lazy

and likes having unprotected sex.

[Sheepshank]

62. Yeah, he doesn't like condoms because

he can't feel anything.

[JVS]

89. Given that half his salary would provide about a pound per week for each child, I'd guess he can't..

afford condoms.

[ida and pingala]

131. Um...LOL...I doubt very seriously that the Sperminator is a practicing Baptist

but nice try...

I am going to go out on a limb, here, but I am almost 100% sure that he likes the sensation of bare skin on bare skin.

[surrealAmerican]

136. I suppose he may just be one of those men who thinks ...

... getting women pregnant proves how "manly" he is.

[slackmaster]

57. Sounds like a garden variety irresponsible man who likes hooking up with irresponsible women

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Zookeeper]

157. You must admit, this is a notable level of irresponsibility.

And as far as we know, each woman was irresponsible once, while he was irresponsible 21 times.

[slackmaster]

162. I doubt very much that all 21 of those women have only one child

Or have had unprotected sex just once.

But he does qualify as an alpha irresponsible male, that's for sure.

[HamdenRice]

58. I guess the movie Idiocracy was actually a documentary film. nt

[stuntcat]

59. just nasty

"What is the nature of a species that knowingly and without good reason exterminates another?"
George Small

[Uncle Joe]

63. A most enlightening graph, stuntcat, I'm kicking the thread and recommending your post.

:thumbsup:

[Lorien]

99. I wish I could k&r your post!

:thumbsup:

[Reterr]

189. Good graphic-oddly talking about the environmental cost of having a bajillion children

is something the left is not yet comfortable with discussing (for reasons incomprehensible to me).

[rug]

61. Is 8 children with 4 partners okay?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Sr.

[AllentownJake]

64. No one ever claimed Barack had a good father

[rug]

66. And no one ever said to cut off his balls.

[AllentownJake]

69. The Mob can be whipped into an easy frenzy over this shit

You have to understand, part of our nature is a desire to reproduce, and this guy just put a whole bunch of his DNA out there, and isn't going to pay for them.

Its a primal response.

Harder to whip the mob over what the Rich is doing to screw them though.

[rug]

73. True. I'd like to see half as much bellyaching over tax money building drones that kill children.

More likely than not, this guy, the mothers, and the children can have their lives turned around radically if government programs were in place and funded for what one day of war costs.

People fuck, and fuck up. I see nothing wrong with us and the government helping them get past it. I have no use for corporations and war mongers taking tax money.

[AllentownJake]

76. Yes but war is good for business

The newstainment business, the corporations that make the bombs and drones, the corporations that perform support functions that used to be done by our military at a higher cost.

War is good for business and therefore. War is good.

Don't you think the people who own the papers and the TV channels haven't already figured out our primal response is to attack the guy out breeding more than the people out killing.

He's a useful idiot to these people.

[Christa]

68. Tribal life in Africa is different

Different cultures, different norms. The current South African President has 6 wives.

[rug]

74. When did Hawai'i float into Africa?

[Christa]

77. Oh for god's sake

just because he made a baby in Hawaii, doesn't make him Hawaiian.

Go read the Wiki link you posted.

You just do not GET the gist of this thread, do you?

[rug]

85. Sure I get the gist. You're using this story as a pinata.

[Christa]

123. Bullshit

You are doing it by dragging Obama's father in here.

It has no relevance at all.

[rug]

147. The only bullshit in this thread is your reference to "tribal life".

Correction: it's a tie between that and the cut his balls off post.

[Bluenorthwest]

75. But the President says 'one man, one woman' is THE only way

You seem to be saying that marriage is different in different cultures and in different times, when we all know that for thousands of years, marriage has existed as a Sacrament, between one man and one woman, only. Never has it been any different, anywhere, or at any time. God is in the mix! So clearly you are misinformed about African cultures. Marriage was created in Eden and has existed unchanged for all time. How could you have missed that fact? Kaine and DuBois are happy to point that out any day of the week, but especially on Sunday!
To me, this is just another story about how superior the heterosexuals really are! This is proof that they should have more and better rights than irresponsible gay couples! It is sacred, holy, an image of Christ and his Church, and also another several churches, but who's counting! All that matters is that it was one man, and one woman...at a time!

[cherish44]

72. Well nice to know this guy's dick works

So he's had unprotected sex with a mimimum of 11 women...I'm willing to bet he has a few STDs too. Honestly.... boot to the head to all the irresponsible breeders in this scenario but a double one to Super Sperm for continuing to father children knowing damn well he can't support them.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

78. Professional

This guy is a professional breeder. He is the Michael Jordan of impregnating women. Lets be honest people, the vast majority of guys, even if they wanted to and tried very hard, could not do what this guy has done. To convince 11 women to have unprotected sex with you and have multiple children with you, when it is known that you have more kids and women out there is a major league accomplishment.

Morally, I am indifferent to this guy. Those women knew of his antics, they had the choice of saying no to his advances at anytime. Apparently they didn't.

[AllentownJake]

84. The guy should have marketed this as a reality show

It would be more popular than American Idol.

[Fumesucker]

87. That depends entirely on your standards..

There are a lot of people out there of both sexes desperate for afffection/sex/whatever. If your standards are low or nonexistent and you are reasonably attractive and have a modicum of blarney it's not hard at all to screw around a lot.

I bet this guy is nowhere close to the record for impregnating different women, even here in the USA.

[Blue_Tires]

146. the kid is still minor-league compared to Brigham Young

[L0oniX]

80. More evidence that abstinence only birth control works great.

[Ikonoklast]

88. This guy's pick-up line must be a killer.

He could sell it on-line and make a bundle.

[Odin2005]

92. "It just Happened", Um, no, you could have chose to keep it in your pants, you idiot!

:eyes:

[Deja Q]

118. So it's not the choice to whom he's attracted, but a choice as to what he does with his attraction?

[aikoaiko]

94. He's most likely not done yet.

Cases like this and octomom really bring out the worst ideas of intrusive government intervention in me.

But, then I calm down and realize that such governmental intervention is not worth it in the long run.

I hope the women hold him accountable for every dollar until he is all caught up on 25% of his income for each kid.

[chaska]

100. There's is no problem on Earth that couldn't be made better by making fewer humans...

Man is an infestation on the planet.

[Hello_Kitty]

172. Ain't that the truth.

Sad that so many people don't grasp that basic fact. Including many here on DU.

[Sigh Sister]

101. I'm a labor and delivery nurse

I've found that a lot of the unwed teens that are having babies (I know one girl who is 20 with 3 kids) have a sense of worthlessness. I try to encourage them to use birth control and set goals for their future, but having baby after baby is what all their friends are doing so they do it too. Sometimes I think having babies is the only thing that gives them a sense of pride.

[AllentownJake]

106. Well after they have their first what the hell are they going to do?

Honestly, what can they do. Childcare in this country is ridiculously expensive. Unless they have a grandmother or grandfather to leave them with while they go of to college, what can they do?

Its why I have to laugh at the GOP solutions to problems. Ban abortions no social spending for the children they produce. Great idea, now we'll have double the amount of these kids with kids.

This isn't like 100 years ago where the kids could work on the family farm and the children were an integral part of the labor force (which is where most GOP family values stem from, a left over from the 19th century). Their options are extremely limited.

[sixmile]

112. Grist for the mill

MIllions of humans who will never reach their potential.

The condom will save mankind.

[Sigh Sister]

139. Their options are limited

but I still try to help them make goals for their futures that doesn't include having another baby. It really breaks my heart to see a child having a baby.

[AllentownJake]

141. Breaks my heart to

but we have to come to terms at sometime that this is human nature. 150,000 years of Human evolution aren't going to be done away with by 100 years of human prosperity and increased longevity.

Our bodies and minds are hardwired to reproduce at 15. Societal changes are faster than evolutionary ones.

[lumberjack_jeff]

107. His body, his choice.

:sarcasm:?

[The Straight Story]

110. true indeed, and the women exercised their choice in having the kids

Women are the ones who can have babies, we should blame them for overpopulation :rofl: :hide:

[Hello_Kitty]

171. His wages garnished for the next several decades.

Boo hoo. :nopity:

[lumberjack_jeff]

187. 10 kids costs the same as three. nt

[marzipanni]

113. This is one reason I don't believe in intelligent design

Orangutans have a baby every 7-9 years; live to the age of 35-50 in the wild; mothers have about 3 babies in their lifetime.
We supposedly have the brains to figure out how not have too many children, but we as we see from this article, we don't always use our brains. :(

In a world where people could develop their creativity, maybe they wouldn't feel the need to be so procreative!

[AllentownJake]

114. Orangutans are practically extinct

We however, are doing just fine.

[marzipanni]

116. Oh, yes, we're doing so fine we're taking over other animals' habitat

<snip> The only great apes found in Asia, these arboreal wizards are by nature elusive and solitary, and inhabit nearly inaccessible tropical rainforests. The tragedy is that orangutans are almost extinct, surviving in the wild only on the islands of Borneo and Sumatra where human influx is rapidly appropriating their habitat.
http://www.flipkart.com/orangutans-anne-russon-wizards-rainforest/1552979989-2rx3fln51b

That doesn't seem so fine to me.

[AllentownJake]

119. It was sort of sarcasm

If your debating evolutionary fitness, however the fact that we breed like roaches has been a plus for us.

[U4ikLefty]

154. No, it's a plus for the roaches.

They will be taking over in the future if we keep on this way.

[Ilsa]

115. Why not a court-ordered vasectomy since he can't help support his kids? nt

[anonymous171]

126. Good idea. The court should be able to tell people what to do with their bodies.

Court ordered abortions would help tremendously with this problem as well.

[Ilsa]

143. It shouldn't be in the public domain at all, except for the fact that the

public is supporting his kids. I think people eed to be responsible. Vasectomy is a reasonable stop to his madness. Later, he can have it reversed if he needs to breed more.

[anonymous171]

159. So you would support the same punishment for Octomom then?

(adapted for female anatomy of course.)

[Deja Q]

127. And don't forget, Levi said it's unrealistic for men to keep it in their pants...

:D

[flvegan]

128. Somehow I just knew this thread would be fantastic.

[Maru Kitteh]

140. Then how come you didn't bring us any popcorn?

I have some totally decadent, savory coconut topping all ready to go.

[Gwendolyn]

129. Well, he's too poor for them to extract a pound of flesh.

But he should definitely look into augmenting his paycheck by donating to the local sperm bank. His material is obviously quite potent.

[KG]

130. da man's a stone playah!

don't be hatin'! :P

[joshcryer]

132. 21 (+) partners is not that big of a deal this day and age. What is a big deal is that...

...apparently no one in these situations desired to use readily available birth control methods. The onus does not fall completely on the male, in fact, he successfully spread his genes, an evolutionary component of life.

[malakai2]

134. His evolutionary fitness is outstanding

Odds are his genes will be kicking around much longer than mine.

[AllentownJake]

142. This is the real reason these stories will always get more outrage than torture or war

There is something deeply embedded in our psyche about reproducing. The fact this guy is getting away with doing it with no cost will piss people off.

Octomom is the same thing.

Why do you think the biblical punishment for sleeping with another man's wife or a wife cheating on her husband was so severe.

[Gwendolyn]

145. The biblical punishment for adultery doesn't really have anything to do with it.

Having many wives or concubines was a symbol of success and manhood back then. Going forth and multiplying was cause for celebration.

As long as you could sustain your clan. Otherwise you had to sell yourself (or your children) into indentured servitude to pay off your debts.

The punishments for adultery had to do with lineage and paternity. You didn't foul up another man's clan with unworthy DNA, or mess with his property. That's not a problem here since everyone's on the same page as to the fact that this guy fathered all these kids.

[Stevenmarc]

137. He needs to be introduced to the firecracker woman.

[marshall]

138. It's known as "concubing"

Remember a year or two ago, a man in Louisiana appeared before a judge and said he was expecting five or six children. The judge asked him if he meant his wife (or partner) was having a multiple birth. "No, I be concubinin'," was his reply.

I'm sure it happens far more often than comes to light.

[MrSlayer]

144. He's quite the player.

He should write a book on how to seduce women and the proceeds can go to support the kids.

[Blue_Tires]

149. especially considering the fact that he just makes minimum wage

and i seriously doubt these are 'women' he's seducing...I'm willing to bet all he does is trawl the lower-class backwoods or slums for teenage 9th grade dropouts that don't know any better...that's the only way this story makes sense to me...

[Blue_Tires]

148. wow...after he gets to knocking up brainless bint number 7 or 8

i start to place more and more of the blame on the women...knowing who this clown is and his reputation (and breeding with him anyway), and having the nerve to ask for child support is even more laughable

[BreweryYardRat]

155. "Done"? Yeah, right.

If the state gives him money for a non-reversible vasectomy ($350), he goes in and has the procedure, AND gets regular check-ups to make sure it doesn't heal over (rare but possible), THEN he's done.

But just taking his word for it is really stupid.

[Seldona]

158. So 11 woman had unprotected sex with this loser?

And it's the man's fault? No responsibility to found with the only gender with a CHOICE in the matter of having these children?

Sure.

[JCMach1]

160. OMG! We found a husband for Octomom!

[marshall]

161. The guy is not even thirty years old--he's just getting warmed up

I'll believe his pledge not to have anymore children when he has a vasectomy.

[proteus_lives]

163. What a piece of trash.

Both him and the women. Birth control exists for a reason but some people too stupid/unwilling to use it.

[Hello_Kitty]

168. Hmm, I wonder if any of DU's resident 'men's rights' activists are going to join this thread

You know, the ones who complain bitterly about how it's so unfair that women can choose to abort but they have to pay child support if she doesn't. Oh yeah, the ones who want to change the laws so that men can impregnate women and walk away from the consequences.

Desmond Hatchett is Exhibit A of why that would NOT be a good idea.

[Gwendolyn]

169. How so?

He's having kids left and right and even though they're garnishing his salary, as the story says, the kids are getting pennies out of it.

Any man who wants to go screwing around without capping the kepi of his penis and ends up with a bunch of children, is simply encouraged not to work himself. Why would he, since his cash would only go to the children he doesn't give a shit about?

[Hello_Kitty]

170. I'm just speaking in general

The reason the government collects child support is because children must be supported either by their parents or the government. Obviously it's in the better interest of the community if people support their own children. Allowing men the "choice" of opting out of child support would be disastrous. Sure, Desmond is an extreme example of someone who has created a shitty life for himself but just imagine if he didn't have to pay child support at all? And just imagine how many more Desmonds there would be if guys didn't have to pay child support.

[spanone]

173. saw him interviewed. he appeared absolutely clueless.

[Yavin4]

174. Why Are These Women Allowing Themselves To Be Impregnated By This Moron?

Unless this guy is drugging and raping these women, why are they allowing themselves to have sex with and become pregnant by a man who has no clear means of supporting their offspring.

[TankLV]

179. Awww - common - just one little kiss - huh - it's only a KISS, common - you KNOW you like me...

I promise, just a KISS and NOTHING more...

I soooo "love" you...

am I close?

[Nikia]

186. Maybe he is a successful con artist (relationship wise)

My husband and I knew someone like that. He enjoyed having multiple relationships, hiding the other relationships, and lying and exaggerating to these women about his life. He claimed a professional motorcycle stunt driver who was injured, but would get back into it once his injury healed. In truth, he had never done that and wasn't really injured either Miraculously, he only has a few children which most of his current relationships didn't know about. That guy thought he was rather accomplished conning all those women. I bet the guy with 21 children thinks that too.

[Thickasabrick]

184. Ladies - do you find this man irresistible? (Photo). It must be his

silver tongue.

[TaxCollector]

188. As Irving Berlin Would Say....

He was just "Doin' What Comes Naturally".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWX1RAs7Yg0

[MadMaddie]

190. This guy said, "I didn't mean to have so many children, it

just happened"! All parties are responsible. This guy only makes minimum wage and by law the state can only take 1/2 of his pay...so guess who gets to pay the rest? Taxpayers!

[Justitia]

195. Is he related to the Duggars? With that many offspring between them - probably! -eom