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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 01:29 PM Original message |
Robert Reich-- "Manufacturing Jobs are Over"...Robots are In/Knowledge Based is King....Kool Aid |
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MADem
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Sat May-30-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Next Big Thing--Robot Repair. nt |
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ColbertWatcher
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Sat May-30-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. Yup, not to mention robot manufacturing! n/t |
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anonymous171
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Sat May-30-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. That would be done by robots as well. nt |
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ColbertWatcher
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Sat May-30-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
77. Noooo!1!!! n/t |
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ContinentalOp
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Sat May-30-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
85. Actually the self replicating machine is coming and it will do for physical objects... |
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anonymous171
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Sat May-30-09 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. So basically we should mooch off 3rd world workers while we replace our own with robots? |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat May-30-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. With out the free flow of labor, of people, yes it is. |
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tabatha
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Sat May-30-09 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. Which means that there are too few jobs and too many people. |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat May-30-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. That's true. Ideally, the increase of machine work should mean that humans are freed up to |
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Deja Q
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Sat May-30-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Life is what people make of it. |
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Nay
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Sat May-30-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. I don't know how old u r, John, but in the 60s it was put forward that this was |
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Deja Q
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Sat May-30-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. In the 1960s, Robert Justman wasn't admitting he produced Star Trek because he wanted to make money |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat May-30-09 02:40 PM Original message |
Atomic energy; To cheap to meter! |
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AllentownJake
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Sat May-30-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this |
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Hannah Bell
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Sat May-30-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
83. wrong. 1980 election: carter & anderson were the liberal choices. |
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AllentownJake
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Sun May-31-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #83 |
93. Guess I never considered Anderson |
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Hannah Bell
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Sun May-31-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. 1984 boomers went for reagan, but less % than their elders or youngers. |
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truedelphi
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Sat May-30-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. yes in the sixties we were told that we would be |
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anonymous171
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Sat May-30-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. This robot thing may actually be the downfall of Capitalism. |
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krispos42
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Sat May-30-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. It was suppose to be... |
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HughBeaumont
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Sat May-30-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
61. Well, as you can see, since 1979 (gee, who was president after that year . . .), THAT didn't happen: |
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krispos42
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Sat May-30-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. What they want... |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #16 |
99. Remember Magnus: Robot Fighter? Everyone had loads of free time to kill. Oh, well it was a dream. nt |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sun May-31-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #99 |
115. I must have missed that. I don't know what you are referring to. But i love free time. |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #115 |
129. Magnus: Comic Book Hero in a future Earth where humans let humaniod robots do all the work. nt |
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truedelphi
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Sat May-30-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. The upside is - once we are dead, we are no longer harming the environment! |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat May-30-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I always wanted my body fed to great white sharks and be put back into the food chain. |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
103. When the food and oil runs out we will all be Green. |
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truedelphi
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Sun May-31-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #103 |
118. Perhaps as in |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Exactly. Science fiction does come true too often. nt |
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jwirr
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Sun May-31-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
96. Or work themselves to death working a low income job. I am 68 years |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #3 |
98. Zero Population Growth. Its coming to the US very soon. nt |
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PM Martin
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Sun May-31-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #98 |
111. What trend do you have to back up this claim? |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #111 |
123. It will no longer be possible to afford lots of children. Think China' One Child law. nt |
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Sun May-31-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #98 |
113. We're already there- it's just masked because we are importing young people . |
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AllentownJake
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Sat May-30-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. Just bring on the Cylons and be done with it |
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Deja Q
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Sat May-30-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Stop watching that drivel. |
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AllentownJake
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Sat May-30-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I really don't have a choice now do I? |
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MichellesBFF
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Sat May-30-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. I can has Chief with beard? |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat May-30-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Quit censoring what people can watch. How would you know what it is unless you watch that |
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Posteritatis
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Sun May-31-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
117. Saying "stop watching that drivel" is hardly censorship (nt) |
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PSPS
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Sat May-30-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. A domestic robot jockey is still preferable to an outsourced one. |
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AllentownJake
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Sat May-30-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. All productivity gains have gone to the top 1% |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. Commenter over at TPM replies to Reich: "What a Crock of Shit!" (good read) |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Sat May-30-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. It's shown him in a new light to me. I obviously knew much less than |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I was shocked reading his OP over at TPM....I'm still hoping |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Sat May-30-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Perhaps what enrages me more than anything else, is the godless way they |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Thanks...yes..and what I see is the "Entitled way they Sprang." |
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leftstreet
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Sun May-31-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #43 |
91. Excellent response! |
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MarjorieG
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Sat May-30-09 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
9. Still think new products for greening, mass transit, etc. improves our share, but assembly jobs do |
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amandabeech
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Sun May-31-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
121. Products for greening and mass transit will be made in factories. |
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Hannah Bell
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Sat May-30-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
10. Those without jobs aren't needed & have no right to existence. |
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Zodiak
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Sat May-30-09 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
11. The bulk of humanity are not super-intelligent data manipulators and analyzers |
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Marr
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Sat May-30-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Near the end there he suggests as much. |
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Zodiak
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Sat May-30-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
42. It's a good point, and I support that of course. But that is about it. |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
72. I understood what he said...but the way he said it also deserves questioning as to where |
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AllentownJake
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Sat May-30-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. Very true |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
73. OFGS! You post some IQ test to VERIFY Reich's Comments? |
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AllentownJake
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Sat May-30-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. What |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. We must be talking at cross purposes to each other.... |
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Deja Q
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Sat May-30-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
12. Efficient? If only they were more capable of putting out solid, non-toxic goods... |
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omega minimo
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Sat May-30-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
13. 5 |
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cherokeeprogressive
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Sat May-30-09 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
14. I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords... n/t |
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Deja Q
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Sat May-30-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. bite my shiny metal ass |
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cherokeeprogressive
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Sat May-30-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Okay... but you may not remember it! |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
75. You Lie your ASS OFF...trying to be so snarky...shivering in your shoes... |
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Marr
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Sat May-30-09 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
18. Very interesting article. To be perfectly frank, |
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PM Martin
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Sat May-30-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. What about promoting effective birth control? |
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AllentownJake
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Sat May-30-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Every sperm is sacred |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
76. snark...snark...snark...it's become the Soup du Jour on DU...Pardon my bastard French...n/t |
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ContinentalOp
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Sat May-30-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
86. Overpopulation is a right wing myth -nt- |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #86 |
102. Overpopulation is a reality, not a myth. nt |
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ContinentalOp
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Sun May-31-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #102 |
112. Environmental problems and famine problems are issues of overconsumption... |
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tabatha
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Sun May-31-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. It has been stated that if everyone on the world is to |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Well said. Too bad humans will keep overbreeding regardless. nt |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #112 |
124. Cheap oil allowed the human race to overbreed during the 20th century. When its no longer cheap, ... |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
101. Remember: Soylent Green is People! nt |
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amandabeech
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Sun May-31-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
122. It's still globalism propaganda even if Reich wrote it. |
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On the Road
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Sat May-30-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
31. Yes -- Robert Reich Has Drunk the Globalist Kool-Aid |
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Taverner
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Sat May-30-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. More like realized reality for what it is |
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anonymous171
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Sat May-30-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. What? Reaganites and free traders are the ones responsible for the demise of American manufacturing |
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Taverner
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Sat May-30-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. No but the opposite argument |
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anonymous171
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Sat May-30-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Ah I see. |
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Hannah Bell
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Sat May-30-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #58 |
84. why is it we can't have job security? who made this rule? |
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Raineyb
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Sat May-30-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. You better hope that's not true because when we completely stop making things |
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Taverner
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Sat May-30-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. You don't understand - automation is on its way to replacing ALL manufacturing |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
80. Don't you feel that's an "Overstatement?" Robert Reich propably visited ONE Factory... |
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Taverner
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Sun May-31-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #80 |
100. Robotics and machines are being adopted more and more |
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KoKo
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Sun May-31-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #100 |
126. True...but there are still areas where "hands on" could provide jobs... |
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jwirr
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Sun May-31-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #57 |
97. I think that may be true in the short run but what bothers me about |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
106. Too many people, too few jobs=Bleak future. nt |
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PM Martin
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Sat May-30-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Technology does bring greater efficency |
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angstlessk
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Sat May-30-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
36. I got me a robot vacuum cleaner, but, honestly, I did not fire my maid..on the other hand |
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matt819
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Sat May-30-09 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
38. Yeah, but. . . |
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alarimer
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Sat May-30-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
40. Unfotunately the service jobs that have replaced manufacturing pay shit wages. |
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anonymous171
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Sat May-30-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. They are also harder to unionize. nt |
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azmouse
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Sat May-30-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
46. I worked in manufacturing in the 1980s. |
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starroute
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Sat May-30-09 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
48. This seems largely ass-backwards to me |
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ContinentalOp
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Sat May-30-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
87. We need to move beyond our obsession with work. |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #87 |
109. I dont agree. Meaningful work is not "wasted time" in my book. Many |
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anonymous171
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Sun May-31-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #87 |
116. We need to eliminate Wage Slavery, not work. nt |
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Sat May-30-09 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
49. The "Midas Plague" economy? ;^) |
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starroute
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Sun May-31-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
128. By Fred Pohl, of course -- give credit where credit is due |
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deaniac21
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Sat May-30-09 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
50. Is Robert the fourth? |
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kenny blankenship
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Sat May-30-09 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
51. Small problem, Bob (oops sorry) There are 300 MILLION Americans |
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galileoreloaded
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Sat May-30-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. I am pretty sure he gets it..... |
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anonymous171
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Sat May-30-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. No he doesn't. |
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bemildred
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Sat May-30-09 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
53. Well, you better figure out how we all are going to make a living then, Bob. |
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ContinentalOp
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Sat May-30-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
88. The very concept of "earning a living" is disgusting. |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #88 |
107. Yeah lets just stay home and breed more people into an overcrowded world. nt |
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ContinentalOp
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Sun May-31-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. The world isn't overcrowded. |
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anonymous171
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Sat May-30-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
90. Don't worry, the 3rd world scum will make our food for us. |
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Mari333
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Sat May-30-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
55. so metropolis! |
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anonymous171
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Sat May-30-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
74. Worship the machine! |
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girl gone mad
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Sat May-30-09 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
60. I'm usually a fan of Reich, but what he doesn't seem to comprehend here.. |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. This wasn't the Robert Reich that many of us counted on...I understand what you say |
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Sat May-30-09 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
64. This is not new. I have been predicting this for decades. |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
81. We go back to some Agrarian Ways for many who have the inclination and |
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ContinentalOp
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Sat May-30-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #81 |
89. Regressing into the past is exactly the wrong way to go. -nt- |
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cabluedem
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Sun May-31-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #64 |
108. Crime will increase as people get desparate with nothing to lose. Very bad, this is. nt |
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Taverner
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Sat May-30-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
65. Well, they are |
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shireen
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Sat May-30-09 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
67. and this is why education is so important! |
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KoKo
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Sat May-30-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Agree..but we have to "Turn Over" the "Legacy Students" to get to the rest of |
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krispos42
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Sat May-30-09 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
82. And the reason the service jobs suck is because... |
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JCMach1
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Sun May-31-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Work/Labor/Salary will have to be redefined in some way by the end of the century |
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The2ndWheel
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Sun May-31-09 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
94. "You're on the wrong side of history." |
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Gman2
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Sun May-31-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
104. I am a moldmaker, process engineer, automation engineer, product designer |
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Sun May-31-09 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
105. Robots don't buy cars. |
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KoKo
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Sun May-31-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #105 |
127. That's the Damned Truth...although we now have "Zombie Banks" ruling things... |
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PM Martin
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Sun May-31-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
114. See this: |
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