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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:08 PM
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Does FDA spell FEMA? (The "food grade" wheat gluten debacle)
Edited on Thu Apr-05-07 02:23 PM by pnwmom

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20070404/cm_huffpost/044935

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"To date, we have nothing that indicates it's gone into human food," said Dorothy Miller, director of the FDA's Office of Emergency Operations . "We have a bit more investigation to do."

They certainly do. But the FDA should have acted as if the human food supply was at risk from the moment Menu Foods notified it that test animals were dying, presumably sometime before March 8. Tainted wheat gluten was always the prime suspect, and anyone given the facts and a little familiarity with our food processing and distribution system should have heard alarm bells. Yet the federal regulators charged with safeguarding our food supply seemed more concerned with protecting the interests of the corporations involved, then in giving consumers the facts they needed to make informed decisions on their own.

While the FDA focused on pet food, it was left to persistent bloggers and journalists to slowly tease out the full scope of this potential public health disaster. Wheat gluten is not an obscure feed stock, but rather a common ingredient widely used in a large number of processed foods and baked goods. And while federal regulations distinguish between "food grade" and "feed grade," the overwhelming majority of wheat gluten distributed in this country is sold as the former. MGP Ingredients, the largest U.S. manufacturer of wheat gluten, only produced and distributed "food grade" product, shipping to Menu Foods the same high quality wheat gluten meant for human consumption until 18-months ago, when they lost the business to cheaper, Asian imports. And responding to an e-mail query, a spokesperson for Del Monte Foods quickly confirmed that it was "food grade" gluten that led to its own recall.

The FDA always knew the tainted wheat gluten was sold as "food grade," but never offered this information to the public. And even now they continue to obfuscate the matter.

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Note: And if that wasn't enough bad news, you should also be aware that the only way to be sure you're avoiding wheat gluten is to avoid any food that is labeled as containing "wheat." This is because the labeling law doesn't require that "gluten" be labeled. Some manufacturers do that voluntarily, but the food industry has strongly opposed regulations requiring the labeling of gluten.

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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:36 PM
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1. This is an important story. K&R.
And one that we should be following. I spoke with my vet about this and he also holds the FDA responsible...:scared:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:43 PM
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2. All the evidence seems to point to the fact that Bush's aim
has been to eviscerate federal agencies, across the board. It's infuriating.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:46 PM
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4. No regulation is good regulation in his book and
he's doing a good job. I think it must be frustrating for the people at lower levels (those not fired or railroaded out) that have been there for years watching their agencies slowly crumble....
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 04:04 PM
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7. I'm sure you're right.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 04:29 PM
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10. Also, he seems to have a knack for appointing the worst person possible,
every single time... That's equally infuriating and explains a lot...:eyes:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 04:41 PM
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11. it's about his only talent, other than brush clearing. n/t
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 08:01 PM
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17. I agree. So much brush, so little time... *sigh*
That's the only "hard work" that he does. As for research and reading up on this stuff, like realizing that there were Sunnis and Shi'ia and Kurds in Iraq, centuries old enemies, but he never learned this until a few weeks before the invasion (Super Bowl weekend, when he learned about this from a Middle Eastern guest at his Super Bowl party), far too late, when he already had anything in place. I already knew this, but I didn't need to, so why didn't the commander in chief?!:shrug::grr:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 10:27 PM
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30. The scariest thing is to know that either you or I would
be a better President, if we had to be, than the current person in office.

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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 08:03 AM
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32. I agree. I've often thought about how much I've learned,
and I have several friends who have been following all of this for a lifetime, unlike me. Most of us on DU seem to be better informed than Bush*, which is a most frightening thought...:scared:
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 04:27 PM
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36. There is no longer any regulation. It is about making money, not protecting the public.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:44 PM
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3. And let's not forget homemade bread.
That contains wheat gluten too.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 04:07 PM
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8. Not unless you make it with wheat flour.
Which I don't, since I've got Celiac.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 08:18 PM
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22. Gotta love that Xanthum Gum!...
:hi:

Sid
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 10:25 PM
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29. Oh, for the days when xanthum gum
sounded like something a little bit unnatural and suspicious.

How old is your daughter with CD? I think my mom must have had it as a kid, but no one got diagnosed until I did as a middle-aged adult.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:59 AM
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33. Just turned 9, she was diagnosed at 5...
we knew something was wrong because she wasn't growing and thriving. She was the typical Celiac kid, with the big, distended tummy and short, fine hair. It took about 3 years and several doctors before CD was identified and then confirmed. All is good now, tho. She's mostly caught up to her classmates in size and energy level, and there are enough gf treats and snacks to keep her happy. We can still do McDonald's, 'cause their fries and burger patties are OK. Birthday parties are still rough, but we've finally found a gf pizza that she seems to like. Her younger brother has also been tested, but he's in the clear.

Given some of the alternative theories the docs were considering, like cystic fibrosis and cancer, we feel lucky that the final diagnosis was CD.

Happy and healthy now!:


Sid

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 01:16 PM
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34. Wonderful!
Two beautiful and healthy children! :bounce: :bounce:

I'm glad your son is in the clear, at least now, but if the situation ever changes you'll know what to do.

And I totally agree with you about the sense of relief . . . they were looking at cancer for me, too. Compared to some of the other possibilities, Celiac is nothing.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:50 PM
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5. Delete. I need to do homework befoe flaming you.
Edited on Thu Apr-05-07 03:51 PM by kestrel91316
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 04:08 PM
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9. Good idea.
:hi:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 06:22 PM
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14. I totally misread part of the post.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 07:11 PM
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15. Are most vets having a lot of stress about this issue?
Have you seen patients in your practice with this?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 08:02 PM
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18. Still no victims here..........things are slowing down for vets with most the bad
product off the shelf and most owners knowing not to feed it.

Some have had entire households come in sick, 5 animals at one fell swoop, with not all surviving. I'd call that stressful. Some have lost their own pets or hospital mascots.

I'm lucky, or rather my clients are. I told them not to feed generics or anything with fish. It apparently paid off.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 08:12 PM
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21. Thank you for the glimmer of good news, kestrel.
Edited on Thu Apr-05-07 08:16 PM by Rhiannon12866
I spoke about this with my vet a week ago, and he had a whole lot to say about this, explained why the numbers were being underreported, told me the hoops that both owner and vet have to go through to report a case, and told me how he thought this could had happened, since he's spent time in China, studying acupuncture. It doesn't look good, from what he said, and he also blames the FDA, but he hasn't had many cases, either, and I'm certainly glad that you haven't. This is heartbreaking for anyone who has had to deal with this, since I know so many people who have tried to give their pets the best, and then were confronted with this, like my friend in rescue, who placed two dogs with me. Her two dogs, who are both older, got sick in January but are, fortunately, okay now. Thanks for all that you're doing...:-)

Rhiannon:hug:

on edit: typo
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 07:17 PM
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16. I suspect it is not the gluten at all.
kestrel, are you any closer to figuring out what it is.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 08:06 PM
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20. It is, of course, not gluten per se that is the "killer". Gluten is a perfectly
safe food additive in pet food, but the bad batch of gluten was CONTAMINATED with Melamine, which may or may not be the "killer". There is some other chemical contaminant that has still not been identified.

But we DO KNOW that the contaminated gluten was how the "killer" got into the food.

Very little is known about the toxicology of melamine in animals, especially cats. Somebody on the vet site wryly commented that there is probably a PhD thesis in there somewhere.........
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 08:31 PM
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24. That's exactly what is going on.
I subscribe to "Vegetarian Times," have for years, and wheat gluten is often used on vegetarian recipes. It's used to make a faux turkey, for Thanksgiving, for example. But the fact that this is contaminated is the problem, since wheat gluten is inherently safe both for animals and for humans. :shrug:

According to my vet, who has studied acupuncture in China, what he believes happened is that the wheat fields there were surrounded by rat traps, poisoned with aminopterin, which is a poison only used in China and Europe, and he thinks that some of the rat traps and the poisoned rats may have been caught up in the harvest. *sigh* And we know that they don't value pets as we do, and don't have the standards that we do, either. There are probably numerous PhD theses in there, somewhere, but this just seems to get worse, heard of a local case, just yesterday. This is very frightening and I appreciate all you are doing, for your animals and to educate us.:hug:

Rhiannon, Meneken & Jack :hi:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 08:38 PM
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25. We're at least REALLY CERTAIN of one thing now: there WASN'T
any aminopterin. That was a red herring, something only one lab thought they found.

The melamine they are finding in kidneys of dead cats, urine of sick cats, the suspect wheat gluten supply, the actual lot numbers of pet food recalled, so it's pretty much settled. Melamine may just be a marker, however.

Jury's not in yet on what the real killer is........there appears to be ANOTHER unidentified contaminant.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:32 AM
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38. Thanks for the update and the information,
though it's far from reassuring. *sigh* I made chicken and rice for my dogs, since my vet's had me do this before when they needed to be on a bland diet and they like it. Even though their food hasn't been on any list *yet* and none of it contains wheat gluten, I feel better about doing this until this horrific situation is resolved.:scared:

Thanks for keeping us up to speed on this!:hi:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 10:20 PM
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27. And haven't they been having round-ups -- and killings -- of their
own dogs in some cities?
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:27 AM
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37. There have been mass killings of pet dogs in China because
of fear of rabies. They can't seem to get it together to just inoculate them, like we do. I've signed more petitions on this than I can count...;(
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 09:50 PM
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26. I didn't mean gluten...
I meant the poison that is in the gluten or perhaps something else. I have read several articles regarding the melamine. No one seems to think that it is toxic enough to have caused any illness or death.

So I think that you are correct in assuming it is another toxin we aren't being told about.

Has it absolutely been nailed down to wheat and what is in it??
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:51 PM
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6. I seriously removed wheat from my diet
about a month ago because I suspect I have a sensitivity to WG.

So, my thoughts for everyone who is still eating this stuff. I've given up a lot of packaged stuff too, since like HFCS, WG is in almost everything.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 05:15 PM
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12. the one time i am glad we can't have gluten(wheat barely or rye) in our diet.
Never thought i'd be relieved we have celiac disease in our house. at least our family knows how to identify sources for gluten in foods.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 06:09 PM
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13. Me, too. n/t
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 08:21 PM
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23. My daughter has some of this stuff...
http://www.silly-yak.com/

Cool stuff, especially for kids.

Sid
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 08:05 PM
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19. Speaking of the FDA.....
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 10:23 PM
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28. Thanks, I just recommended it. n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 10:32 PM
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31. Systematic destruction of the infrastructure.
Break, hire, not really fix but charge lots of money, overcharge, charge, charge, charge, break, do study on how much it will cost to fix, compared to breaking, fix, break, charge.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 01:19 PM
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35. I think that IS what's going on all over the government, at the top levels. n/t
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