Marc Sanford just sent 50 dozen roses

[malaise]

to Michael Jackson with a big Thank You!!

[DefenseLawyer]

1. He just regifted the ones John Ensign sent him yesterday n/t

[NightWatcher]

2. .

[shireen]

3. not funny. nt

[redqueen]

13. No, it's not.

It's sickening that people think it's okay to make jokes within hours of someone's death.

But that's how some people are, I guess.

[Feron]

40. It's a shot at the media, not MJ.

While MJ's death is newsworthy, the media is going to push aside more important news just to report on and sent tributes to a dead celebrity.

MJ was a talented and influential man in my generation. But his death shouldn't eclipse issues like healthcare and Iran. But it will in the tabloid media.

A governor going AWOL for an international booty call is now history. Vitter is probably cursing his luck right now.

[Are_grits_groceries]

4. If he thinks that his wife or

the RW fundies care about MJ he's nuts. SC will still be his own little hell. That is unless Graham decides to moonwalk across the Senate floor.

[Irreverend IX]

30. "Why did you cheat on your wife, Governor?"

"Because... I'm bad!"

[napi21]

5. For what?

I loved Michael as a kir entertainer, but in recent years he's been an complete AH!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

8. Yeah, I agree,

but his defenders are up in arms if you mention that he was a freak who enjoyed having naked little boys in his bed.

Touchy, they are ......................

[malaise]

15. He was a Freaking Genius sis

A child for life.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

19. He was, I agree, immensely gifted -

genius? I don't know. I remember being on a flight from LA to NY, when they music awards were on, and just as we landed, Jackson came on and started his Moonwalk, and we stood in the aisles, not moving, no one doing anything except staring at the screens.

But, he was also quite twisted and damaged............

[bliss_eternal]

31. The point...?

Who doesn't already know that? That he was also damaged.
Why do you need to assert such comments on the day the man has died?

It seems in my opinion, to be in rather poor taste (and cruel to members that are sad).

[Tangerine LaBamba]

35. Gee........

Do you think I'd better serve the deification of Jacko if I were to wait until tomorrow to express my opinion?

Get real.

He's a dead pop star, that's all. A lot of people have good memories of his song, but he was also a damaged, self-loathing freak who mutilated himself in his quest to become something other than what he really was.

A role model? Not for any kids I love. The guy was a freak................

[bliss_eternal]

41. Clearly...

...you and I have different ideas of consideration and respect (for the dead), as well as how to be considerate of other forum members. That's fine.

I'm not emotionally invested in this particular issue. But felt the need to speak on behalf of those that are upset.
Nice to know where you to stand, and how little regard you have for those you share a forum with.

Take care. :hi:

[bliss_eternal]

16. It's ok...

...that you have no respect for the man. I don't think anyone is asking for that, but perhaps you could respect your fellow members (other du'ers) that may be mourning their loss.

Oh and fyi--Mr. Jackson didn't just come out of the womb that way.
I believe that he was sick, and was probably abused himself. This certainly doesn't excuse the acts, but does provide some level of context for why he was so troubled, disturbed, etc.

Sadly when people reach a certain level of status, fame, wealth--not everyone in their world is going to treat them the way someone w/out those things would be treated (i.e. w/honesty, etc.). As such, he didn't get the help he desperately needed--or even just someone being a "friend" and telling him how incredibly inappropriate his behavior was, and how much he needed to get help for his obvious issues.

What he did was wrong, yes.
But is the appropriate time for that discussion when others are upset about his loss?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

20. You have your opinion,

and I have mine.

And since I assume you are not a close personal friend of Mr. Jackson - neither am I - our opinions are equally valid...............

[bliss_eternal]

23. I didn't invalidate...

...your opinion. Nor did I say you weren't entitled to it.

Setting aside my opinion of him, I also addressed your choice to speak ill of the dead in the presence of other members, who are upset about the loss.

You're certainly entitled to that choice as well. Perhaps those members will also make choices in the future, (based on your inability to respect their sense of loss). :hi: You may want to keep that in mind.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

25. I have never understood

how people can get so worked up about someone they don't know.

The man who made the documentary about "The Making Of Thriller" was on MSNBC a while ago, talking with KO, and he said the same thing - how people just yearn to feel close to greatness, so they indulge themselves in this fantasy that there's some kind of connection that they have with the entertainer, when, in fact, it's all in their heads.

He's as puzzled by it as I am.

I see loss as a family member or a loved friend dying. That's loss. The death of a pop star?

That's a news event. A personal loss? Only if you're delusional.....................

[bliss_eternal]

28. I understand...

it's difficult for you to discern. But maybe it's possible for you to allow others to do something, you don't "get". Without needing to judge them for it....

I didn't lose anyone on 9/11--but I wept as if I had.

Music for many people, is the soundtrack of their lives.
They hear a certain song, and it brings back a memory, a life experience...something special. When someone has that sort of attachment to something, frequently the artist that created it also holds a special place in their hearts.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

32. I understand that part -

but I'm watching crowds gather at the hospital where Jacko died. What is that about?

I'm old, and lots of songs - the best of the oldies, and more - accompanied some spectacular times in my life. I cherish those songs, but I do not transfer the emotion I have about that experience to the artist who did the song. I think fondly of the person or people with whom I shared that experience - in real life.

It's just an odd phenomenon, and I am puzzled and fascinated by it. As for me "allowing other to do something," well, how is my opinion getting in the way of their emoting?

It's not.

Let's not go that "lockstep" route.

DU is a place for diversity, and that's wonderful .......................

[bliss_eternal]

36. You take issue w/the crowds...

...I've seen the same after many celebrity deaths. Did you post negative things about every person that's died, who people bothered to gather for?

I certainly can't claim to understand it. But I don't have to mock people or things I don't understand either.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

37. It always puzzles me ..........

When John Lennon died, and crowds gathered at his home, I just felt awful for his family, having to deal with all that if they wanted to go outside.

I'm not mocking, so back it up, honey. I'm puzzled and fascinated. Mock? It's not worth mocking - the whole this is already a parody..................

[bliss_eternal]

43. Good for you.

Adding "condescending" to the list of other qualities demonstrated by you today.

Let's see so far we've got.....inability to empathize, inability sympathize, inability to express or exhibit compassion for others, inability to exhibit simple kindness or respect for those that behave in ways you don't understand.

Good to know. Thank you for sharing.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

47. Add "laughing heartily"

to your list.

Touchy when gods croak, are you?

[malaise]

42. Generally I agree with you

but people remember their wedding song, an MJ tune on their first date, watching their kids and nieces and nephews fall in love with Jacko and pop music.
It's not about the person - it's about personal memories about a musical icon.

It's a kind of remember that day when Jacko was singing this song. I don't think it's about Jacko specifically.

[bliss_eternal]

44. Exactly.

But for some, it may be about him specifically (some just obsess over celebs. that way).

[Tangerine LaBamba]

50. Or, it just may be

thinking different from others'.

That's how it goes, eh?

Thank goodness................

[Tangerine LaBamba]

49. You're right -

it's not about "the person". It's about the song.

My musical memories are about the people in that memory, the real ones, the ones I loved........................

[madinmaryland]

21. The man's body is not yet cold, but people are already trashing him.

That's what pisses me off. Give it a few days and a fucking rest!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

27. Naw, I trashed him when he was alive -

so I'm just being consistent.

He was a pop star with a taste for little boys. Nothing more, nothing less.

He surely wasn't the deity some seem to think he was.........................

[bliss_eternal]

29. Is that really necessary?

To be so callous to a fellow-forum member?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

33. Callous?

It's my opinon. DU is open to a diverse number of opinions.

Jacko was a great artist and a twisted, damaged human being.

So what?

[bliss_eternal]

38. Again.

People already know that.
What purpose does it serve for you to reiterate it here, today....the day of his death. A member asked you to knock it off.

I'd call what you are doing callous.

I had a great dislike for Reagan. But I didn't trash the man the day he died, in front of people who were mourning his loss. It's called consideration and respect for others feelings. Apparently foreign concepts for someone that needs to press the issue, the way you have.

Lesson learned.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

39. I did..........

I was so glad when Reagan died, and I rejoiced, just hoping he'd died in terrible pain, given the pain he'd inflicted - and continues to inflict - on so many Americans.

We're different, you and I.

I'm gonna leave it at that.........................................................

[bliss_eternal]

45. Yep. Different.

Thank goodness.

He clearly died in terrible pain....the same pain he inflicted on many others. He lost his mental faculties after putting the mentally ill on the streets (by closing mental health facilities). Karma. I believe in it. As such, I'm not about to do something as cruel as poke others when they say they are hurting.

Someday I may be in pain, and others would decide to poke me. Karma.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

48. Thak goodness, indeed.........

I would hate having to go through life so soft and sappy that the croaking of a pop star past his prime - booed at the music award show he last appeared at - would upset me.

Reagan decreed that ketchup was a vegetable, and then died as one.

Karma has a great big fat sense of humor, and so do I.

Thank goodness.............................

[bliss_eternal]

52. Hope you feel the same way...

...when karma kicks you in the butt. ;)

When an issue presents itself on this board, that you feel strongly about. Someone will treat you the way you've treated this.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

54. Sure thing ...........

And I'll get lots of laughs then, too, if it happens. I must be punished, in your view, because I do not hold the same opinion as others.

That's very tolerant of you. Really. Impressive. But, also very funny.

But, if I were you, I'd watch that Happy Face - I don't think it's real...................

[bliss_eternal]

58. No. That's not what I said.

I'm not saying "you must be punished" for holding a different opinion from others. You are twisting my words.

Holding a different opinion from others is a separate issue.
Karma isn't about punishment, It's getting back what you put into the world.

In my opinion, your choice to share your views w/those that have asked you to stop (on the day of a man's death)seems callous and rude. I said, I hope you feel the same way, when the same happens to you. Not punishment--just getting back the same you've put out.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

62. A bad choice of words on my part, and

I apologize for that.

Far better, and more accurate language should have been used, and that would be: Why are you taking me to task because of my opinion on what I am watching?

Asking someone to "stop" because their posts don't agree with the majority is a kind of censorship that is mighty offensive. I hope you can see, when all is settled, that that sort of thinking is hardly democratic.........................

[bliss_eternal]

65. I didn't take you to task for "what you are watching..."

...I'm holding you accountable for lacking compassion (and empathy, consideration, respect) for other du'ers mourning what they consider to be a loss. By your need to reiterate MJ's flaws on the day of his death.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

66. Oh.............

Since I am not mourning with the others, I "... lack(ing) compassion, and empathy, and consideration, respect"?

Oh, man, what drivel...................

[Number23]

71. Bliss et al, see post #69 and back slowly away

That one's so far gone she might be able to actually drag others into her crazy.

Karma is gonna kick that one in the ass so hard she'll spitting shoelaces.

[Number23]

61. That is not at all what's been said

I must be punished, in your view, because I do not hold the same opinion as others.

I just read this entire (sad, disturbing) exchange and bliss_eternal is not suggesting you be "punished" for not agreeing with everyone.

She has asked simply and repeatedly for you to show basic respect for people who may be grieving over MJ's death and to stop your gleeful grave-dancing. We all know MJ's head was messed up and that the last few decades have not been kind to him. But he was a human being, deserving of some basic respect now that he has died what was probably a painful and fairly terrifying death.

Several people have merely asked that you stop howling in glee at the man's demise and lecturing any who may be saddened by it. At this point, your responses say much more about you than they do about Michael Jackson.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

63. I just apologized for careless use of

language, and rephrased it.

Look, asking someone to be quiet is a kind of censorship that blows chunks, and, on DU, of all places, it is offensive beyond belief.

You don't like what I'm posting, ignore me.

And if you see any of my post "howling in glee at the man's demise," you should sue whoever taught you to read, because you've been ripped off.

You don't like my opinion about the group worship of a dead pop idol, don't read them. But advocating that someone should be quiet, should be silenced, is hardly democratic, and people here, of all places, should know better...................

[Number23]

60. Sweet Lord in Heaven

I was so glad when Reagan died, and I rejoiced, just hoping he'd died in terrible pain, given the pain he'd inflicted - and continues to inflict - on so many Americans.

I sincerely hope that this is your twisted attempt at Internet bravado and that you did not rejoice and find joy in a man's death.

I honestly don't know what's worse; the fact that you would be happy and pray for someone to die "in terrible pain" or the fact that you feel that it is something to brag about.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

67. You are obviously a much better person than I -

and I must bow to you on that moral high horse, where you are quite comfortable passing judgment on someone on a message board.

Hey, if that works for you, have at it.

You and I had different feelings about Raygun, I guess. Me, I'd much rather live in a world colored with passion and excess and lots of everything instead of that cramped, constipated nonsense you just expelled.

But, you are truly sanctified, and I am humbled.

No, wait.

I'm not. I sometimes confuse "humbled" with "laughing"....................................

[Number23]

68. Well, judging by the number of people handing you your ass in this thread

then you must be doing a whoooole lot of damned "laughing."

If the simple act of asking you to stop grave-dancing and taking joy in a man's death results in all of this, honey just log off and call it a day. You sound deranged.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

69. You are so off the wall -

hey, wasn't that an MJ song? - if you think I'd bother to indulge in "grave-dancing and taking joy in a man's death". I've experienced neither of those things, but your hysteria seems to have captured you. And if you're counting posts, well, honey, you clearly need a hobby or maybe something just to keep those hands busy while you calm down.

Deranged?

One of us sounds deranged. You quoted me as "howling with glee," or something like that about Jacko's death. When I asked where you got that, you went to another attack.

Honey, sit it down and rest. You're overheated and being silly.

Listen to "Thriller." It's a brilliant album.

Dance. Jacko would have wanted it that way, no?

[madinmaryland]

34. Sad. Just sad what you learn about FReepers here. nt

[Tangerine LaBamba]

57. Yep - if someone doesn't share the sentiment,

they're freepers.

Get a grip, honey ..................

[malaise]

59. Shit you're right

Looks like Demerol caused the cardiac arrest. Brian Oxman the attorney is speaking with KO.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

70. I wasn't watching -

did they say that? Without toxicology - those tests take a few weeks - no one can know. Unless an empty bottle was found next to the body. Cardiac arrest is very different from a heart attack, and the EMTs called it cardiac arrest from the start, so I'm thinking there were signs of pills somewhere on the scene.

There was a singer named Tim Buckley. Father of Jeff Buckley, also a singer.

Tim had an incredible, unearthly voice. (I have all his albums.) He was a smack addict, and then he went clean. Stayed clean for a while, and then, one night, went to a club, got invited to partake, and couldn't resist. He took a shot, and died.

He'd lost all the tolerance he had built up to heroin, and when, after cleaning it up, he went back to his old dosage, he died instantly.

I wonder if that's what happened with Jacko. Demerol is a disgusting drug, really hard-core....................................

[WilliamPitt]

56. For changing the subject.

2 + 2 = ?

[malaise]

64. LOL

:rofl:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

6. He's playing "Thriller"

and dancing through the Governor's Mansion...............

[KingFlorez]

7. I wouldn't be surprised if Sanford was secretly rejoicing

If it got his scandal off the front page, it's probably a good thing to him.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. .....

:rofl:

[Duer 157099]

10. No. Sanford is already toast.

There was nothing left to publically discuss (on a national level anyway) about Sanford.

If anything, he'd be wishing he stayed one more day in Argentina. Take that to the bank.

[Wednesdays]

17. Nothing left to discuss, and so...everyone moves on

Sanford keeps his job...nothing changes...things go on as though nothing happened...

[Duer 157099]

18. I don't think that will happen

Enough got out by yesterday to have him thorougly sunk, it's just a matter of time and process.

The national media is not needed for that to happen, imho.

We shall see, though.

[konnichi wa]

11. That is probably the most astute comment I have seen here in months

because it is so obviously realistic.
:toast:

[rocktivity]

12. That's not nice

:rofl:
rocktivity

[Saturday]

14. I wonder if the taxpayers of SC had to pay for them. nt

[Jack Rabbit]

22. Were they the same ones he got from the Basiji the day before?

??

EDIT: Typo in title

[malaise]

24. LOL

:rofl:

[spanone]

26. you KNOW it!!!

:rofl:

[edbermac]

46. Embarrassed to admit that was one of my first thoughts.

"Thanks for knocking me off the front pages, Michael"

[Moondog]

51. One of my first thoughts too.

But you must be a nicer person than I am. Because I'm not embarrassed about it. And I probably should be. But I'm not.

[malaise]

55. Ditto

:evilgrin:

[Throd]

53. Kim Jong Il must be pissed!

What's an insane syphallitic runt gotta do to get our attention?

[ibegurpard]

72. tasteless

but still made me chuckle

[malaise]

73. Hahahahahahaha

DUzy :evilgrin: :rofl: