Iran doctor tells of Neda's death (Very Interesting)

[SkyDaddy7]

Source: BBC

Dr Arash Hejazi, who is studying at a university in the south of England, said he ran to Neda Agha-Soltan's aid after seeing she had been shot in the chest.

Despite his attempts to stop the bleeding she died in less than a minute, he said.

Video of Ms Soltan's death was shown around the world and images of her have become a rallying point for Iranian opposition supporters.

Dr Hejazi also told how passers-by then seized an armed Basij militia volunteer who appeared to admit shooting Ms Soltan.

20 min Interview on web site! EXCELLENT!



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8119713.stm

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Very moving! Provides a lot of detail and they actually know who killed her!!

[xchrom]

1. recommend

[Soylent Brice]

2. so sad

[SkyDaddy7]

3. I hope many people see this...

It really provides a window into a situation I never thought I would know more about. It was very brave of this doctor to do this interview!!

Iranian People are extremely strong and brave people!

[FailureToCommunicate]

4. Very matter of fact but powerful interview. Thanks for catching this SkyDaddy

I have seen too much of death lately and now Neda's image won't leave my mind.
The Basij must be stopped!
In the past police would photograph "instigators". Now in these protests in Iraq a not well regulated militia is just shooting to kill, in hopes of keeping people from assembling.
Targeting people later at their homes and disappearing them.

[SkyDaddy7]

9. You are welcome...

I was following the election and then when it appeared to be stolen my heart was broke. I will admit I was thinking about us and who Obama would have to deal with but in the wake of the aftermath of the election I kinda feel like an Iranian in a odd way. I feel so helpless so I guess sharing videos is a way to feel like I am doing something? I dont know?

Anyway, I too have seen way too much violence but Neda's eyes will never leave my thoughts, EVER!!!!!!

...Did you hear that they know who shot her! I wonder how that is going to play out?

[FailureToCommunicate]

36. (I typed "Iraq" in my post above but of course I meant "Iran")

[Warpy]

5. He might have been apolitical until now

but that is no longer the case.

I have to think he has a lot of company.

I hope he can find peace.

[ShortnFiery]

16. Why was a doctor in England "visiting shortly" Tehran, Iran around the time of the election?

There's something that doesn't seem right ... really stinks under the surface if you can envision covert operations ... this doctor's placement is just a little too convenient.

[Warpy]

23. Yes, how dare he ask us to believe he was visiting extended family,

tying up loose ends there, selling property, whatever?

I don't find it convenient, at all. There seemed to be a lot of educated, professional types milling around on the sidewalk, looking at the demonstration going past.

That one of them should get shot and another be a doctor isn't much of a mystery to me.

Not everything is a conspiracy, you know. Sometimes, stuff happens.

It's just obvious Ms. Soltani's injuries were so grave that even immediate medical attention had no effect.

[ShortnFiery]

51. WHY are you so willing to believe ONE man who, may have been recruited by

the covert agency MI6. Do you forget that BRITIAN's covert ops played a KEY ROLE in the overthrow of a democratic leader in 1953?

[dionysus]

54. he's actually a space alien being controlled by the illuminati.

:crazy:

[ShortnFiery]

60. Hyperbole does not become any of us. Granted, it's painful to consider that

we would be deceived by our M$M working in concert with our covert ops. That's absolutely contrary to "a free press" that we hold dear.

However, does anyone honestly believe that our M$M has NOT been compromised by powerful and well funded influences?

Each year TENS OF MILLIONS (maybe more :shrug:) of OUR TAX DOLLARS are given to DOD and the CIA for covert operations.

That money doesn't spend itself, i.e., payoffs (MSM, confederates - under the table), special operations, etc. :eyes:

[dionysus]

52. jeeeebus

[ShortnFiery]

64. Oh stop. Seriously, is there any independent verification of this ONE MAN's story?

[zonkers]

6. Wow.

[Blandocyte]

7. Awesome video interview

Thanks for posting that. Powerful.

[subcomhd]

8. So they have the killer's ID card and pictures of him?

Why aren't those in the tubes yet?

[SkyDaddy7]

10. That is exactly what I have been thinking?

I wonder when this will pop back up? You would think it will...

[oxbow]

12. that was my first thought

where is that ID???????
Whoever has it better not give it to the cops. And I hope they haven't thrown it away or anything either. That's prime evidence!

[subcomhd]

13. they need to scan or photograph it

and make the sorry SOB as famous as she is.

[ShortnFiery]

17. Because the story this "doctor" is relating can NOT be verified. Or do you just trust him

because he's a doctor who live in London who HAPPENED to be a meter away from Neda? I don't buy it ... not without verification.

No doctor, that bullet wouldn't have hit you because they were not aiming at you. :eyes:

[Libertas1776]

11. Now the talking heads of Iran

are spouting the CIA killed her! Bullshit really is a universal language.

[ShortnFiery]

15. They might have with a little help from MI6. I don't rule anything out. Least of all to I trust

the veracity of the present BBC or any USA media outlets.

A word to the wise: Don't accept all you see and hear from large media organizations. I want independent verification before I buy into ANY of this story.

[rockymountaindem]

29. Or we could be like you

Take whatever we see on the news and assume the opposite. After all, if it's on the corporate nooz, the truth must be 180 degrees away, right?

I think *you* are not skeptical enough of the west's abilities to get exactly what it wants. If that were the case, how do you explain the existence of Kim Jong Il and Hugo Chavez?

[ShortnFiery]

14. Forgive me, but I don't trust ANY media outlet from the USA or UK as "above board."

I don't fully buy into any of it save for Neda's death (killing of an innocent 27 y.o. woman) was tragic and senseless.

But WHO is *specifically* responsible for her death. Do we REALLY know EXACTLY who - save for this "brave doctor" who just happened to be on the scene?

Please JUST pause and reflect for a moment. We were not there ... this whole situation COULD HAVE been orchestrated well in advance: Black Ops anyone?

Of course we know from the M$M reports during the build up of Gulf Wars I and II that OUR MEDIA would NEVER lie to us, aye?

Ask yourself ONE more important question: WHO benefits from the USA not normalizing relations with Iran?

As Babs Bush a.k.a. Ma Barker would quip, "This is working out rather well for them (Both our ghoulish clutches of Neo-Cons and Neo-Liberals)." :wow:

[subcomhd]

18. Occom's Razor

The Basij posted on their website the day before that if there were protests, the protesters would face "revolutionary justice."


Khatamie openly threatened the protesters in his Friday prayers.


We have seen video after video of Basij and others beating people like dogs in the street.


So yeah, she was killed by MI6 or the CIA.

[ShortnFiery]

20. She could have BEEN killed in a black ops situation. This doctor is avoiding eye contact ...

because MI6 and CIA have the best damn sociopaths in the world. However, even he has something deep down inside.

I think this stinks. This doctor, fully fluent in English, JUST HAPPENED to be within one meter of Neda when she was shot. NOW he's coming out and say exactly what John Bolton would choreograph in order to keep from normalizaing relations with Iran.

I say that there is a distinct possiblity that you can NOT rule out that this was "an orchestrated operation" by our more covert agencies (run wild).

"The DOC" was just too damn good in this interview. It's just a little bit TOO PERFECT. :thumbsdown:

p.s. During his interview he tripped up ... "one of my colleagues (MI6?)" oh (correction!) "one of my neighbors who was also there." :wow:

[madeline_con]

33. the collegue/neighbor comment could be a translation nuance error.

FYI, a lot of people speak excellent English as a second language.

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[dionysus]

53. the CIA has your house bugged too.

:rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

61. Yes, and we were not LIED into the war by the M$M.

I'm not claiming it as fact but a possibility. Given the track record of both the BBC and the USA Media, my alternative suggestions are as plausible as this neatly wrapped testimony of an British-American doctor who JUST HAPPENED to be in the immediate area of a beautiful young Iranian woman shot down in the streets of Tehran.

Am I the only person here who considers his testimony TOO NEAT and his presence in the crowd last Saturday as TOO CONVENIENT?

IF there was independent verification from A SECOND media source or testimony from another individual not connected with this "doctor" - then I would consider it's veracity.

Does anyone know this doctor's background? NOT unlike the woman claiming that the Iraqis invading Kuwait were throwing out babies in incubators before Gulf War I, IS HE RELATED to someone in the seat of power, (a diplomat's relative, connected to the family of the former Shah of Iran)?

What do we know about this doctor? We don't even see his face in the ORIGINAL video. He might not have even been there?

HOWEVER, because a high placed MEDIA SOURCE (BBC) claims that he was the doctor who treated Neda and he comes across as intelligent and well spoken, FAR TOO MANY people who otherwise would demand verification are ready to believe this ONE TESTIMONIAL.

Please don't fall into the "I believe authority" trap without independent media verification?

[Dorian Gray]

42. Makes perfect sense

:eyes:

I can't believe that some people really want to make this out to be the fault of the US or the UK.

[ShortnFiery]

46. Yes, it's not like our CIA had anything to do with the coup of a democratic leader in the past - say

1953? Study your history and do NOT accept testimonials on face value. If you continue to believe everything the UK and USA media outlets feed us then I weep for us ... we are an Oligarchy and many here are "sheep." :(

[JackRiddler]

45. Occam's Razor is a rule of thumb for making hypotheses. Not a natural law.

It doesn't replace evidence. Of which you have little that's conclusive as to the source of the gunshot in the murder (which it was) of this young woman.

[subcomhd]

19. WHO benefits from the USA not normalizing relations with Iran?

For one, the reactionaries in Iran - who are the only other source (other than you) that I have seen spouting the "Neda was killed by MI6" bull. Where are you posting from? A seminary in Qom?

[ShortnFiery]

21. Anyone who does not trust authority UNILATERALLY knows that we dare not trust information

that can't be independently verified. ESPECIALLY that from major UK or USA media sources.

WTF is this "doctor" risking since he's back in London. I wouldn't be surprised if he's buddies with the Shah's son.

[subcomhd]

22. The doctor may be full of shit

but that doesn't diminish the fact the girl was killed during a brutal government crackdown - so I think the smart money is on those doing the cracking down.

And pretty funny that you reject any information from the BBC but are spouting the line of Iranian State TV. I guess you find them reliable?

[ShortnFiery]

24. If WE (USA) wish to censor anyone for "Brutality" why don't WE look within at

what we have done to our "illegal combatants" and USA Citizens detained (Padilla, Walker-Lind)?

That's the problem with uprises and wars, EVERY PARTY does horrific acts.

Nobody is innocent here save for the young and old civilians caught in the crossfire.

My Point: We, the mighty USA who tends to bomb funeral processions in the Middle East, do not have ANY moral high ground to stand on.

We, the people of The United States may not see all the INNOCENTS that our "smart bombs" have killed but it doesn't make them any less dead. Therefore, the moral outrage by those of us in the USA is pathetic if not outrightly hypocritical.

[subcomhd]

25. Your Logic

Premise - The US does bad stuff.

Premise - Killing that young woman was bad.

Conclusion - The US killed that young woman.

[ohio2007]

27. LOL, no wonder the thread got moved

2 min vid;

The mad dinner jacket blames Britain and wants an appology from Barack

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da1_1245969590

[subcomhd]

28. Well, so says the BBC, LOL

I'm sure Obama, Cheney and the Shah's ghost made all that up.

About the jacket - It has a very Members Only vibe.

[ohio2007]

43. The playing field has been leveled as Basij dole out justice with odds they prefer

Thursday, June 25, 2009
Mask-Wearing Basij Drag Young Iranian Through the Streets
In this disturbing video, members of the Basij wearing full-body black uniforms and masks over their faces can be seen brutally beating a young man and dragging him through the streets.

http://www.citizentube.com/2009/06/mask-wearing-basij-drag-young-iranian.html

card carrying masked men members in it for the $200 loyality check

[Flaneur]

58. Your video has been removed by YouTube

"for terms of use violation," whatever that means.

[Liberation Angel]

44. bush cheney rummy netanyahu

the war industry

blackwater
halliburton

lotsa bastards

[ShortnFiery]

50. Yes, but our "public" would rather put ALL THEIR FAITH in the testimonial of one

former doctor living in London. They accept his story at "face value." I need independent verification before I start down this dangerous path of the BLAME GAME.

Nobody is innocent. Also consider that everytime our DRONES kill innocents, we the people of the USA have blood on OUR HAND? :(

[Liberation Angel]

55. I get it, my point is

like lotsa places, it might be cheney style blackops

cheney et al may want the mullahs etc to wreak havoc to destabilize obama and the us

the nuke industry has its players too and halliburton is big on nukes

[ShortnFiery]

65. It's not quite that glib. However, we have been lied to in the past.

Therefore, independent verification of all news stories is essential. Especially if this case is going to grow to be a rallying cry to INTERVENE militarily and/or continue to close off diplomatic relations with Iran.

[Catshrink]

26. ...

[tblue37]

30. What happened to the militia member who shot her after they

seized him? (Don't tell me to watch the video. I am too hearing impaired to hear what is said. That's why I keep begging people to summarize for us deafies.)

[madeline_con]

35. There' text under the video. but basically, they knew nothing would be done to him,

and they didn't want to implicate themselves as protestors, so they took his ID card and let him go.

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[tblue37]

38. Thanks! nt

[madeline_con]

31. The Iranian Ambassador to Mexico was running his piehole this afternoon

on CNN. He said the bullet that was "in her head" was the type used by CIA. The dumb fuck didn't even get the location of the wound right.

[Zodiak]

41. Even if he got the wound location right

There was no autopsy done because Neda was buried right away. He's talking out of his ass.

[ShortnFiery]

47. Just for a moment entertain the possibility that he may be part right?

She may have been shot both in the back of the head and the chest. She was bleeding out of her EYES for Heaven's sake.

WHY is it hard for us to believe that our WESTERN media MAY lie to us?!? Were we not lied into an illegal and immoral war in Iraq. Do you forget the BUNK that was fed to us CONSTANTLY?

[madeline_con]

67. The blood flowed into her eyes after coming from her nose and mouth.

Watch the video closely.

[AntiFascist]

32. K&R!!!! n/t

[johnaries]

34. I think the crucial message is not "who" shot her....

but "why".

I'll admit I didn't watch the vid (I'm on dial-up, takes too long to load), but even so I don't care about the soldier who carried out the order as much as I care about who gave the order and why.

[subcomhd]

37. no doubt

but if someone has his ID and there were c-phone videos of him saying "I didn't want to kill her" as the doctor says there were in the video, then that is evidence of those higher-ups' (and his) guilt. But the basij themselves have to fear for their freedom and/or safety if they continue to oppose the people with violence.. Platering this guy's face all over the intertubes would be a great start.

[ShortnFiery]

48. We ONLY have one man's testimonial that it was a basij soldier. Are you hanging every damn

thing on THAT ONE TESTIMONIAL?!?

[Rhiannon12866]

39. K&R. This needs to be reported on all of the news channels...

They refer to Neda numerous times daily, but I've yet to see this. So tragic. ;(

On edit: Welcome to DU, SkyDaddy7! It's terrific to have you with us! Great post! :toast: :hi:

[troubledamerican]

40. "Basij" = Religious paramilitaries.

Remember that name.

They are coming to America soon in their fundamentalist Christian counterparts.

[ShortnFiery]

49. Oh brother! I think we should keep our eyes on our own "home grown" religious nuts as

vigilantly. :crazy:

[troubledamerican]

62. No, you're not crazy. You just misread my comment.

The Basij will arrive in the form of their fundamentalist Christian counterparts.

Did I write that the Basij are LITERALLY coming? Nope.

Perhaps you are crazy, however, if you're just a hammer looking for a nail.

[ShortnFiery]

63. No, I did not misread your comment - the religious nuts are already here and are independent

of the Basij. The USA right wing religious NUT-CASES have had "militia-type" organizations for decades. Where have you been?

I find it amusing that after all the deceit of 9/11 and Iraq "NUKES" ... even if our "powers that be" merely allowed it to happen, people here are willing to "believe authority figures" who prop up ONE, REPEAT, one testimonial.

That's just fucking sad ... perhaps we, the mighty USA deserves to fall from grace if we have this many people who refuse to think critically but blissfully accept what the government feeds them as news. :(

BTW I don't appreciate your implication that I'm "crazy" ... however, I'm an USA Citizen who was born over in the M.E. ... according to the, IMO, crazy nationalists in this country, that must make me "evil" as well. :eyes:

[troubledamerican]

66. We generally agree but are miscommunicating.

Yes, the fundamentalist Christian militias are already here. BUT they're not YET government-sanctioned paramilitaries. THIS development will have to wait for a plane to crash into Congress when only Democrats are inside to ensure the military coup d'etat proceeds smoothly. John Roberts will immediately swear-in "emergency President" Palin or Giuliani, and THEN you'll get a U.S.-style Basij. Don't worry, you've got about 6 years left.

Second, you used the emoticon :crazy: which is denoted in its code as "crazy" between two colons. We have no disagreement about the extreme and tragic direction of the U.S. or the nature of its nationalist and/or complicit and/or deluded sheep citizens. You sound appropriately concerned, and I hope that the few DUers who are like us are able to escape the U.S. before the unhappy ending.

[rustydad]

56. Another young protester was shot

Only you won't hear of see a word about it. Because she was Palestinian and her murderer, who was filmed in the act of this murder, was an Israeli soldier. Bob

http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m55411&hd=&size=1&l=e

[Flaneur]

59. Correct. The double standard being employed is disgusting.

Iranian demonstrators = "good" victims

Palestinian demonstrators = "bad" victims

Good victims deserve our sympathy and outrage, bad victims get what they had coming.

Oddly enough, who is s "good" victim and who is a "bad victim" typically seems to be a reflection of US foreign policy goals.

This isn't new. I recall the outrage in the 1980s when a Polish priest--"good" victim--was kidnapped by the Communists, at the very same time thousands of Salvadorans--"bad" victims--were being massacred by a rightist Salvadoran government backed with billions of US dollars.

Meanwhile, we kill more innocent people in a single bombing raid in Afghanistan than have reportedly been killed in all the Iranian protests. Where's our outrage over that, for which we are responsible, unlike the events in Iran?

[woo me with science]

57. kick nt