If you help swiftboat Edwards, the Master Baiters win.

[omega minimo]

Their house of cards is toppling, their media and political lackeys are turning, investigations and trials are underway, Impeachment is on the table and people are marching in the streets.

The Master Baiters love it when we grab at every shiny meme they flash at us, every poisonous turd they float in the punchbowl.

Do you really want to fight them? Do you have the courage to ignore their Weapons of Mass Distraction?

:hi: :patriot: :woohoo:

[lostnotforgotten]

1. Edwards Swiftboated Himself

eom

[omega minimo]

8. that's not how it works. let's not help them in their dirty work

:thumbsup:

[lostnotforgotten]

9. Personally - I Am Outraged That Edwards Built Such An Excessive House

Speak for yourself.

[Fovea]

11. Masterfully Said!

Bait on!

[Name removed]

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[omega minimo]

22. this guy's outraged for real

seemunkee photo

[kestrel91316]

47. 9000 sf is a problem for you? For a man with his money?

[chimpymustgo]

26. This is bordering on ILLNESS. Pathetic.

I'm grateful we have people in our party like John Edwards, who are trying to help the poor and middle class. May he live in whatever house he chooses. And may the holier than thou scolds kiss his square feet.

Edited to fix typo in funny!

[omega minimo]

29. "And may the holier than thou scolds kiss his square feet."

:applause:


Edited to fix typo in funny!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

2. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=59410&mesg_id=59410

[LaurenG]

5. I agree

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[philosophie_en_rose]

3. I would agree with you. . .

but how big is your house?

Apparently, the ability to support someone must be inversely proportional to the size of his or her residence.

[LaurenG]

4. I will not swift-boat John Edwards

I just don't care if he bought his family a lovely new home with his hard earned money or not. It's up to him not us how he spends it. :bounce:

[Clark2008]

38. I don't either.

But I DO care that he's saber rattling for war in Iran, was a co-sponsor for the IWR, never lifted a finger to author legislation as a senator to help the poor, doesn't correct the misinformation that he grew up poor rather than upper middle class and pretty much changes his mind to match whatever is political expedient.

Master Baiter, my ass.

The House is a stupid issue: let's talk about his REAL Faux Pas.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

6. Nice play on words. "Master Baiter."

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. Let Creativity Reign! LOL How are you Haruka?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

34. I'm doing good. Down in VA with the GF for the weekend.

How are you?

[JVS]

16. why not just call them douchebags?

[mongo]

23. Is that a gender based slur?

:hi:

[mondo joe]

43. It's certainly a sex-negative slur. It implies that masturbating is somehow dirty

or wrong.

[pwb]

10. karl rove wants us to think politics because

he thinks this distracts us. seems people are buying it all over again. creating diversions from all the shit the neocons still want to finish. lots of neocons on the board on weekends.

[stranger]

12. true-just remember this board is full of republican trollers-

we shpuld counter by getting memberships on republican message boards and stirring
animosities among their primary candidates-only lets be a little more subtle than these
edwards' house pimps, and the old lady gossip mongers reporting
in excruciating detail all of hillary's and Obama's dirty tricks on each other...ad nauseum.

Frankly I dont give a shit about any dem candidates' sins a or misdeeds-spare me,
Instead, tell me what the real scumbags (repubs) are doing.

[midnight]

13. Interesting phrases that you have come up with to help us stop

and re-think all this square footage, and now his bush like swagger about Iran. I have not seen his take on the Iran issue. But I do remeber reading here at DU that both Edwards, and Kerry are sorry for voting for the Iraq war. Now he is all right with Iran? Just curious about that thinking.

[stranger]

15. doesnt he have a website which spells out his views?

He should.

He sure needs to get rud of Kate Michaelman-she will cost him more votes
in red states than
she garners for him blue states.

[UTUSN]

17. Not US swiftbotting him. He made a glaring mistake, conspicuous consumption while talking 2 Americas

It's a matter of US identifying a SHARP candidate who will NOT make glaring mistakes. I was totally loyal to JK while WAITING for him to counter-attack the swiftBOTS. I supported him because I thought he was the STRONGEST FIGHTER who would not put up with CRAP!!1

As for how JE acquitted himself in '04, he turned in a lackluster performance in his debates with CHEENEE the same as Joementum did in '00. How could he just sit there while CHEENEE said he had never even MET him at the Senate? Why didn't he ATTACK saying that they hadn't met because CHEENEE's extreme partisanship was such that he would not even gather with Dems for anything. He just sat there ands SQUIRMED.

It's not a matter of the house in itself. It's how he handed the a-holes an issue on a platter, gratuitously. It could be possible for him to dig himself out of the hole----bringing up data about Shrub's pig farm and CHEENEE's and RUMSFELD's various mansions.

[stranger]

19. you are partially correct-it shows he has a political tin ear. however..

Incessantly beating to death all of our primary candidates
wont help us in November 2008.

what if he becomes the running mate of your fav candidate???

You should ALL write him a letter and express your feelings off line.

[Clark2008]

39. Well, I, for one wouldn't have to worry that Edwards will be

the running mate of my favorite candidate, should he run.

That's something I know I'm correct on.

:7

[omega minimo]

20. good questions but his "glaring mistake" is common to most legi$lators these days, isn't it?

And we know it costs M$$$$$$$ to run for president these days

Fixating on this because Drudge or whoever tossed it out there and singling Edwards out as if it really matters right now is falling for a con game.

[mondo joe]

27. Then you failed to undserstand thhe 2 Americas. The point is about opportunity for all

to make good - not to make everyone poor.

[seashorelady]

40. Not sure he was squirming. He didn't let Cheney bait him.

His razor sharp mind knew that the pictures of the prayer breakfast would be all over the t.v. in a matter of minutes, sure enough. He remained cool under fire, not at all distracted. Taking the high ground in this instance made Cheney look like a very small man indeed.

[kestrel91316]

48. 9000 sf is typical for a home of someone with his money.

The 50,000 sf monstrosity some Hollywood mogul built a while back, now THAT'S truly obscene.

[NoodleyAppendage]

18. Edwards is being swiftboated by Hillary groups. He's her single biggest threat.

J

[stranger]

21. Nonsense!

She doesnt need to swiftboat Edwards, she may need to run with him- if she
even gets the nomination-which is by no means a done deal.

Save your fire for the repubs-they are the true swiftboaters.

[Porcupine]

24. Obama, Richardsen, Web, Kucinich. Better options.

Than somebody who voted for the stupid war.

If Edwards is not sensitive to the fact that some of us who are barely scraping might object to a new 30K sq. ft. manse then maybe he isn't presidential material.

Shit even dimsons handlers had the sense to make the Crawford house look like a regular ranch house even if it is three times the size. Half the damn thing is underground with service houses behind artificial hills. Then they have him pretend to cut brush.

Edwards can get his ass kicked six ways from sunday on "rich liberal who votes for the Iraq war and now wants to chicken out" call.

Sorry, NO!

[NoodleyAppendage]

30. That's interesting about the Crawford sh*thole. Do you have a link w/ schematics?

It would be interesting to see the Crawford "ranch" layout. I was unaware of the underground aspect...makes sense, though.

J

[mondo joe]

42. Because America hates nothing more than people with big houses, right?

Get real.

America loves a big house. Most of America still wants to go from rags to riches. Only a minority wants to bring everyone down to rags.

[noamnety]

41. Um ... I think it's more the Kucinich crowd that's complaining

The folks who care about global warming and see a link between it and how we live are far more likely to appreciate Kucinich's choice of digs than Hillary's.

People seem to be having a hard time grasping the idea that if someone says "politicans should be environmentally responsible in their own lives" they mean "politicans should be environmentally responsible in their own lives" - not "Vote for Hillary."

[omega minimo]

50. maybe early campaigning divides Dems who need to solve common crises right now.

:hi:

[mongo]

25. Yep. Any bit of straw to make political hay.

I've been staying out of it.

[WHAT]

28. SPAM

ignore

[uppityperson]

53. Is that all you write? spam ignore?

why post if you think it is all spam? Odd.

[rhombus]

31. Nonsense. Edwards is not above criticism

No one is above criticism. There is a big difference between criticism and swift-boating. If you don't know the differece, that's a damn shame.

[omega minimo]

32. "swiftboating" is shifting attention from issues to defamatory "nonsense"

"If you don't know the differece, that's" all the better for them cuz you take the bait.

This was a HUGH week for political news-- today was a HUGH day for national protests.

How is John Edwards the hot topic? Cuz they dropped the trud in the punchbowl. Works every time :evilfrown:

[rhombus]

33. Please. Defamatory nonsense? sheesh

I was at my local anti-Iraq war protest this morning with my brother, his wife and two kids. I can chew gum and walk at the same time.

What exactly is defamatory in pointing out the excesses of a so-called poverty candidate? :wtf:

[omega minimo]

35. was referring to Rovian motives of those getting Dems to focus on defamatory topics about Dems

[omega minimo]

36. Yes. He is.

(for the guy who started this bad rash of threads and started a new one in response to this one, instead of just posting here............... hey, buddy, it's not like you're Blocked or anything..................... )

[MODemocrat]

37. I'm sure it's just a bunch of sock puppets

trying to divert our attention away from the tens of thousands of war protesters today.
What Edwards builds for himself and family is no skin off my teeth. :+ :+ He made the money, he has
every right to spend it as he wishes.

[Tom Rinaldo]

44. I don't care about his House. I care about his views on Iran

Iran is a real issue that Democrats should be debating. John Edwards is a candidate for President now running against other Democrats for our nomination. Since those of us who are Democrats on this board will soon have a democratic responsibility to choose who from out of a field of potentally good candidates to support, we will back over the others, we should be debating real issues. That is what Democrats do preceding a Democratic Primary.

The house Edwards built isn't anything that requires debate, but debate over the approach he believes America should take to Iran, which ultimately may determin War or Peace, is very much a real issue and worthy of discussion. It is not swiftboating to raise legitimate questions about that.

[omega minimo]

46. Great post. And we agree there are more imporant issues

So many, in fact, it's a shame to see petty trivial nonsense dominate the board--
on the same petty trivial subject
from the same petty triival source.

Who decided that Jan. 27 was going to be "Piss on John Edwards Day"? Just because somebody throws out some muck doesn't mean DU has to roll in it. It was an important news week and a historic day-- could hardly tell from all the house threads.

Oh well. I wasn't gonna kick this but the last two posts were so strong and solid -- DU could use more of -- I wanted to thank you.

:hi:

[JackRiddler]

45. If there is a master conspiracy here...

then it's that of, by and for the rich to maintain their undisputed power over society, and Edwards is one of them, not the boo-hoo target.

You need to get out of your dichotomy; the Iranians (and others) who die won't care if it was Republican or Democratic bombs that rained down on their homes. I don't care about Edwards's house but honestly, to hell with all of the establishment candidates declared acceptable by the media because their rhetoric is smooth and their platform is unthreatening and they have shown their ability to play and raise cash within a rotten, rotten game. Everyone's real concern should be about restoring the spark of democracy - meaning, eliminating the effect of money on elections in the first place.

[omega minimo]

49. Great post. This is the point that makes the chatter over a house "petty and trivial"

You misunderstand the "dichotomy" though. The objection was to a "distraction du jour" -- not a defense of a "boo hoo target."

Focusing on Edward's wealth -- don't people know that Capitol Hill is run by multimillionaires? How much it costs to run for office any level, esp. for President? If only that topic led to a discussion of the points you made.

The events of the week and the day -- and you point out, the impending consequences of not paying attention to what the WH is doing -- were significant. Calling Edwards a hypocrite really wasn't. Your points about the reality of the situation shows WHY it is worth objecting to the pettiness when it drowns out everything else.

Esp. if it was a meme floated just to have the messy effect that it did.

"Everyone's real concern should be about restoring the spark of democracy - meaning, eliminating the effect of money on elections in the first place."

Well put. Thank you.

[JackRiddler]

52. Got it...

We are in full agreement here.

[BlooInBloo]

51. You'll never stop DUers from hating Democrats. A noble effort, though.