NEW Democrat "Talking Point" Re: Global Warming -- "9 out of 10 Scientists agree" it's Real...

[Up2Late]

...And it IS a Real Problem!

I'm sure most of you have heard by now that the scientists who issued the report the other day for the The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations scientific group, came up against enormous pressure from China and Saudi Arabia to change the Scientific Certainty of the report from "Very High Confidence" (90% Certainty) to only "High Confidence" (80% Certainty). They eventually did cave into this pressure in order to save the report (it might not have been issued at all if they hadn't compromised).

You can read or listen to more on this at this link at NPR.org:

<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9433825>

But my contention is this, WE NEED TO KEEP IT SIMPLE!

Keep the way we talk about this very urgent problem simple so simple that even a "Loyal Bushy" can understand it!

Hence my proposal is we say, when talking about Global Warming and the "Loyal Bushy's" try to claim that, "...the science is unproven..." or whatever their current talking point is, we, as thinking people, should hit them back with, "9 out of 10 Scientist agree..."!!!

Hey, it worked for Trident Gum!

[Bjorn Against]

1. I think you mean "Democratic" not "Democrat"...

And it is actually more than 9 out of 10 scientists, if you are only looking at those who have had their work peer reviewed. 100% of the peer reviewed studies suggest that climate change is real and is influenced by humans.

[Up2Late]

2. No, I don't think that would be right. Democratic is plural, I'm talking about individual Democrats.

As in, I'm a Democrat, not I'm a Democratic.

I could be wrong, so let's try what I just wrote your way: "I'm talking about individual Democratics."
See how it doesn't work? :shrug:

See this is the problem with Bush using Democrat Party, when he should be using Democratic Party. He's referring to a Group of Democrats. It's just so evil what he and his hoard are doing to our language.

And the 9 out of 10 comes from simplifying the 90% certainty, which is what the Scientific jargon calls "Very High Confidence" level, as opposed to 80% certainty or "High Confidence" level.

I realize it's confusing, that's why I propose we, as Non-Scientists, try to simplify it for the Potted Scrubs, oh sorry, "Loyal Bushies."

[aquart]

3. You're wrong.

It's not a plural. It's a fucking ADJECTIVE.

[Up2Late]

9. No, It's a...

...fucking Noun when it's Capitalized and referring to the Democratic Party you SPOS. Ever heard of word form jerk?

Main Entry: dem·o·crat
Pronunciation: 'de-m&-"krat
Function: noun
1 a : an adherent of democracy b : one who practices social equality
2 capitalized : a member of the Democratic party of the United States <http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/democrat>

Uncapitalized, it's an adjective.

Oh, sorry, there are several word forms of the word jerk too, here, I'll look it up for you and show you the Noun form I'm talking about.

I meant 4a.

<http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/jerk>

Main Entry: 1jerk
Pronunciation: 'j&rk
Function: noun
Etymology: probably alteration of yerk
1 : a single quick motion of short duration
2 a : jolting, bouncing, or thrusting motions b : a tendency to produce spasmodic motions
3 a : an involuntary spasmodic muscular movement due to reflex action b plural : involuntary twitchings due to nervous excitement
4 a : an annoyingly stupid or foolish person b : an unlikable person; especially : one who is cruel, rude, or small-minded
5 : the pushing of a weight from shoulder height to a position overhead in weight lifting

Not these Verbs!

Main Entry: 2jerk
Function: verb
transitive verb
1 : to give a quick suddenly arrested push, pull, or twist to
2 : to propel or move with or as if with a quick suddenly arrested motion
3 : to mix and serve (as sodas) behind a soda fountain
intransitive verb
1 : to make a sudden spasmodic motion
2 : to move in short abrupt motions or with frequent jolts
- jerk·er noun

Or this transitive verb

Main Entry: 3jerk
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: back-formation from 1jerky
: to preserve (meat) in long sun-dried slices

[dsc]

14. wow simply wow

Your post has to qualify as one of the most amazingly, blatently, ignorant I have ever seen. For the record, the plural of Democrat or democrat is Democrats or democrats. Democratic or democratic is an adjective meaning of or about democrats. Hence a person can be a Democrat (belonging to the Democratic party) or a democrat (believing in democratic principals). A party can be Democratic (the official US party) or democratic (believing in democratic principals).

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. You can use nouns as adjectives in English

eg "New scientist 'talking point'" - a talking point used by scientists.

[dsc]

19. that is a stretch

and doesn't even begin to deal with the several errors in his post. Ic as the new plural for example.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. I agree the 'ic' as plural is wrong

but it's perfectly true about using nouns as adjectives in English. See my standard post on the subject: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=272833&mesg_id=278725

[HCE SuiGeneris]

6. ...

Look at the two democratics walking down the street. :rofl:

[City Lights]

15. You are correct.

It's a new Democratic talking point.

[Blue_Tires]

4. agreed...to be more specific, 99 out of 100!!!

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

5. given the anti-science mentality in this country, I don't think that would help,

[librechik]

7. I think it's more like 99 out of 100

but you've got it right...

[TZ]

8. actually that might work

given how many people can quote/remember those "9 out of 10 dentist agree" type commercial. I really hate dumbing down science but this might be a good way to illustrate the point to the general public.

[sakabatou]

10. Who the hell is the last person?

I've always wondered who was the one that disagreed.

[City Lights]

16. William Gray. eom

[Up2Late]

22. It's usually someone working for AEI (American Enterprise Institute) or...

...someone working for Rev. Moon at UPI's bogus science website "Science Daily" which just recycles edited crap from UPI and other Newswire services.

[Clark2008]

11. It is Democratic.

Sorry.

You're describing a talking point. Talking point being the noun. The type of talking point is an adjective; therefore, it would be Democratic.

I'm sorry people were rude about it, but they're correct. It would be Democratic Talking Point. Or you could say "talking points for any Democrat."

[Up2Late]

21. No, when Capitalizes it refers to a member of the Democratic Party. A democratic Talking Point..

...would be (used as an Adjective) a Talking Point that a person of any political party, including a Republicans, could use because it's universally true or fully represents democratic principles and/or ideas in a democracy.

For instance, you could say "A democratic Republican talking point..." would be Republican talking point that even a Democrat could use.

As opposed to a (Big D, Big R) Democrat-Republican Talking Point, which would be a Talking point of the Old Democrat-Republican Party.

I'd try to come up with a (small D) democratic Talking Point, but that would be going way off topic.

Edit: O.K., here is a democratic Talking Point (although it would probably need some work): "Children should not die of starvation in America."

That's the best I can come up with, maybe someone else can phrase it better.

[kellenburger]

12. it's too early for action !

1980-2000 Most people believe Global warming is a myth.
Only "crazy liberals" believe in global warming.

2000-2007 Ok global warming MIGHT be real but
no proof it's man made (it's a liberal myth)

2015 Ok we have established the fact that there is global warming.
but the left wingers can't really believe man could have done it.

2025 Recent studies point to a "possibility" that man could be
responsible for global warming. We must now research a way to fix it.

2050 We now know that Global warming was definitely caused by man, the only way
to fix it would have been to cut emissions decades ago. If only we would
have known ! Mankind and Earth are doomed ! I blame the left !

[trumad]

13. Good post

But it is Democratic--not Democrat... unless of course you only want one Democrat using that talking point. ;-)

Again--good post.

[Up2Late]

24. Thanks, but sorry, I was trying to speak to the individual Democrats here. If I had said...

...Democratic Talking point, it would have implied that I was speaking for the Democratic Party or reporting something that the Democratic Party had issued as a Talking Point, which I was not. This was something I thought up myself.

You know, I'm really starting to wonder if we have, in fact, lost.

Would I have had to spend this much time and effort trying to explain my usage of the word Democrat in a post where I was trying to suggest how to talk about Global Warming 10 to 15 years ago if Rove and the Bush Cabal hadn't started purposely misusing and confusing the words democrat, Democrat(s) and Democratic? :banghead:

[Poiuyt]

18. It wasn't 9 out of 10, it was unanimous

They all agreed that there was a 90% probability that global warming has been caused by human activity

[Up2Late]

23. Check the final report, they eventually compromised with China and S.A. and went with 80%...

...even though most wanted the to say 90% (90%= VERY High Confidence, 80%= HIGH Confidence).

It's never going to 100% when you have people still objecting and trying to chance the final report, at best it was 99.99% agreed on a 90% confidence level, but do you see how easily that can (and will) be used to confuse the general public? Which is why I'm making this suggestion.

[many a good man]

25. Simple but wrong

90% refers to the probability that global warming is caused by man, not the pctg of scientists who believe it.