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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:04 PM Original message |
Should California be broken up as a State, and if so how? (X-Posted from CA forum) |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's been tried before. |
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liberalitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. North California and South California.... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. No. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
4. You can't have a progressive state hobbled by... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. CA political splits are such that a physical split along those lines is impossible |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
5. My sister and BIL lived in southern California until 2007 when they moved to Idaho |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
6. I propose splitting up LA county into smaller counties. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. I actually had thought of that myself |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
7. California's problems are not that different from those of the USA... |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. That's right. California's problem doesn't run north to south, it's internal from left to right... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
8. No. |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I agree that California does not receive it's fair share. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Yep. And I'm getting a bit tired of those who say we in CA aren't taxed enough |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I would expect to be screwed under the Bush Administration... |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. don't see how it can change |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. It can change, but it will be difficult because only 12-13 states |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. it's basically written in the constitution |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. Where did this "underrepresented" BS start? |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. If We Can Have Everything From Pismo Beach And Yosemite To The Oregon Border |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
68. Yeah and you get Arnold, but leave Pismo Beach out of it. I live close by. n/t |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
11. Two states: |
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Tikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. California has incredible beauty to preserve.... |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I have lived in Calif for nearly 50 years. I have travelled... |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Do you mean mold or pot? |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I am allergic to both! |
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Retrograde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. I'd say three states |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I'm a resident of Riverside County, we would have to end up with LA. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. LOL, it's YOUR port? |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. good point. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. Don't worry it's going to be replaced by a giant |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
51. I'm pretty sure San Franciscans would love to be rid of "Hell-Lay" |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. I never understood that. My relatives are from San Francisco and north of there |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
15. Yes. With a massive earthquake. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
42. Gee I hope your state is destroyed by natural disaster as well. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Thicken up that skin. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. His state will have to deal with Giuliani running for Governor... that's just as bad as an |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
17. Just don't be caught referring to The City as Frisco or there'll be hell to pay |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. I call it that sometimes just to annoy them...and it does |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
21. We could have a Bay Area state with adequately funded schools |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
23. Hi Cal -----> Lo Cal |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. LOL....n/t |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. or, in fairness to our northern neighbors... |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
66. Or you could also think of it as Hi Cal ---->*REALLY* High Cal |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. whaa |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
28. Texas also does not have nearly the level of services California has (had) |
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jclincali (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
29. Yes, It should be broken into 4 states. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
33. Turn Hollywood into a surrounded state, like the vatican, for Scientologists and MJ fans |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
35. No, 55 electoral votes. |
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BolivarianHero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
37. Jesusland owes CA money... |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
38. I'd prefer larger |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Kalifornia uber alles! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
40. Yes. A north-south divide somewhere in the central state. Fresno-ish. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
43. Hell no! Fuck off flyover staters. Mind your own damn business. -nt- |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Nice |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. Come on, really? |
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ProgressiveFool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
44. No |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
48. The Bay Area and LA could be their own states... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
50. yes--break it up into progressive coast and conservative hinterlands |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Yeah, considering the 16 million people in LA county include quite a bit of the tax base... |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
53. Extend the AZ/NM border west, the NM border south, and give the whole lot back to Mexico |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
57. Which part of the state contributes more to the state's tax coffers? |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. believe me Nor cal wouldn't suffer |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. LOL. What color is the sky in YOUR world? |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. san Joaquin to South |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
60. Let's try 1000 Pieces and then slowly link them together as they fit |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
62. I live in Connecticut and we are so small it takes a bit over an hour to drive through it |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
63. Maybe it should be split east/west. |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
65. The problem is extreme polarization of the state government & unrealistic budget/tax rules |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
67. All you need to do is amendend the Constitution |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
70. Trouble is that north and south are dependent on each other. South needs |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 03:42 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Yes friend, you see it, this is a *truly* great state we have here god bless them... |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
73. No. n/t |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 04:20 AM Response to Original message |
74. No. |
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