Soldier: Obama not U.S. born, can't send me to Afghanistan

[cali]

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Commentary: Time to get over Obama birth rumor
By Lily Gordon
Macon Ledger-Enquirer

MACON — U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook is seeking a federal court order to stall and eventually prevent an upcoming deployment to Afghanistan.

In the 20-page document — filed July 8 with the United States District Court, Middle District of Georgia — Cook's California-based attorney, Orly Taitz, asks the court to consider granting his client's request based upon Cook's belief that President Barrack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of U.S Armed Forces.

Cook further states he "would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command, and that Plaintiff would thus be simultaneously unable to perform his duties in good Rule 65(b) Application for Temporary Restraining Order 22 conscience and yet be simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties."

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/1139969.html

If Maj. Cook refuses to deploy, court martial the little fuck.

[babylonsister]

1. I defer to your sig. line. nt

[tavalon]

2. Oh, dear, teh stupid. It hurts.

[cboy4]

3. I need to know a little more about his background before I can

either criticize him or defend him.

I mean on one hand, who can blame these soldiers for trying to get away with any batshit crazy reason to come home?

Has he been stop lossed multiple times in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Maybe he's even liberal just trying to come up with anything to get out of a hellish situation.

On paper, I don't approve of his bullshit charge, but maybe even he doesn't believe it and he's simply desperate. I don't know.

Don't you need more facts?

[cali]

7. I have enough facts.

Maybe I should have presented more in the OP. His attorney is crazy fuckwad Orly Taitz. I've read the bastard's affadavit and he's as gung ho to go and kill Muslims as any bigoted, bloodthirsty christofascist could be. He's also a racist nut as his affadavit makes clear. So, no, I don't need more facts.

[cboy4]

30. Ok cool....I didn't know that from reading the Miami Herald story as

I'm unfamiliar with the affadavit. I would therefore agree with your OP having read your update.

[Ikonoklast]

15. Read what the guy himself wrote.

Easy to find...he's a certifiable bat-shit nut job conspiracy theorist birfer of the highest order.

I don't quite think he's rational.

[WeDidIt]

16. He's aFreeper

Literally, he's a Freeper and joined the batshit insane Orly Taitz in their racist birther bullshit.

He should be dishonorably dishcarged for being a white supremecist.

[thunder rising]

Disagree .. he either reports as ordered or arrested as a deserter ... Obama is CIC, 'nuff said

Any given order that is not directly contestable as an illegal order (kill an unarmed civilian or (used to be) torture a prisoner) is to be obeyed, then brought to issue later. That's the way it is.

[WeDidIt]

42. Sorry, but desertion doesn't kick in until 30 days AWOL

That would be August 14.

[maxrandb]

86. That's not quite correct

It's 30 days, or when you have compelling evidence that the member intends to desert.

I'd say we have all we need to Court Martial the little Freeper fuckwad. This is definitely not conduct "becoming" an officer in the military, and the guy would be one you wouldn't want serving next to you. This shit cannot be tolerated in the military. He has an easy way out. Just drop your "effing" resignation papers and walk away. If he's a Major, I'm pretty sure he's completed his required obligated service. Hopefully, he doesn't have 20 in yet so he won't qualify for retirement.

If he does qualify for retirement, I'd prosecute the fuck out of him to ensure he loses all pay and entitlements. Let him see if the Freepers will finacially support his ass.

The American people sure as hell shouldn't!

[Recursion]

105. Realistically it would be missing a movement (or whatever the Army version of that is)

That was what all our guys who didn't ship back in 2003 got.

[stray cat]

34. I don't need any facts to call his excuse ignorant or bogus

I'm not judging him on whether he wants to avoid Afghanistan but on his argument.

[cboy4]

35. See Post 30

[jimshoes]

4. Wonder if he'd have a problem with

a president who was born in say, Panama?

[DrDan]

10. c'mon - it was on a military installation - same as U.S. soil

[cali]

20. actually, no, he wasn't born on a U.S. base

although of course he is a eligible to be President.

[DrDan]

26. born here -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_Solo

A U.S. military installation.

[Milspec]

79. So he was born in 1936 in a hospital built in 1941???

United States Senator John McCain was born in 1936 at a Navy hospital<1> at Coco Solo Naval Air Station.<2>

Coco Solo Hospital was constructed in the summer of 1941. The area containing it was transferred from the civil part of the Panama Canal Zone to the naval part when Franklin Roosevelt signed Executive Order 8981 on December 17, 1941.<3>

[DrDan]

81. from the fact checker

"the McCain campaign has declined to publicly release the senator's birth certificate. But a senior campaign official showed me a copy of his birth certificate issued by the "family hospital" in the Coco Solo submarine base. (McCain's grandfather commanded the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in 1936; his father was the executive officer of a submarine based in Coco Solo.)

"The birth certificate was signed by Captain W. L. Irvine. I have now checked that name against the Naval Register for 1936, and I find that William Lorne Irvine was director of the medical facility at the submarine base hospital in Coco Solo, Panama Canal Zone, during that time period. You can see the entry here. I think this effectively disposes of any remaining doubts that McCain was born inside the Canal Zone."


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/john_mccains_birthplace.html

[No Elephants]

77. Other way around. Of course, he was born on a U.S. military

installation, but, no, we can't be sure he is eligible to be President because the SCOTUS has not yey definitively interpreted the meaning of the words "natural born citizen."

[spanone]

5. someone remind this asshole who his commander in chief is?

[DrDan]

6. weren't the sympathies just the opposite during the bush administration

Weren't there a significant number here on DU that sympathized with those that did not want to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan?

The reasons of course were often family obligations etc, however, the request to no be deployed was still the same.

[cali]

12. he does want to serve. this has absolutely fucking nothing to do with not wanting to serve

he's a fuckwad birther and he's in cahoots with the insane dentist/lawyer, Orly Taitz.

[DrDan]

23. I did not say he did not want to serve - I said he did not want to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan

"stall and eventually prevent an upcoming deployment to Afghanistan."

Pretty clear - he does not want to serve in Afghanistan.

[cali]

27. let me try and clarify this. Cook has no problem going to Afghanistan or Iraq

you are flat wrong. he is all about challenging Obama's legitimacy as president. Read his affadavit- it's easily found by googling. this really isn't rocket science, doc.

[DrDan]

37. this clarifies it a bit - what they are attempting to do

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103626

(sure hate to say World Net Daily clarifies anything - but it did make his intentions clearer to me)

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

56. If he wants out, he should just say he wants out.

This is just fucking grandstanding.

[mmonk]

63. The people we support give legitimate reasons

such as illegal orders or stop loss orders.

[DrDan]

64. illegal orders? Not sure what constitutes an illegal order.

And I would also have to argue in general that the military needs a stop-loss option. Sure - it can be misused, but in general, it is necessary.

There were several arguing that due to family issues, they should not be shipped to the war zone. How do you feel about those? Seems there was a lot of sympathy for those in the past.

[mmonk]

65. An illegal order is any that is against the law.

If you think there were none, I don't what to say.

[DrDan]

68. oh Good Lord

an example please - one that is relevant to the discussion at hand - where a military member asked to be relieved of a deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan based on the illegality of the order.

I do not remember any such case posted on DU. Obviously I do not remember them all so there certainly could have been some.

[mmonk]

69. Some examples? Sure.

Torturing prisoners.
Killing prisoners.
Bombing hospitals.
Turning male members of fleeing civilians back into a bombing zone.
Use of "shake and bake" on civilian populations.

Need anymore?

[DrDan]

73. we are discussing orders pertaining to a deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan

[mmonk]

83. And these were the reasons some gave

for refusing to be redeployed. Comparing this as the same as the refusing deployment based on the bogus stuff about Obama is not equal.

[DrDan]

87. so there was nothing illegal about the order sending them to Iraq or Afghanistan

rather orders they received while there prior.

[mmonk]

90. I personally think those orders illegal as well

but it will be a hard argument to make in this country that doesn't understand the supreme war crime noted in the Nuremberg Principles.

[slackmaster]

78. Many DUers lionized every soldier who deserted or refused to go to Iraq under Bush

Yes, there is some inconsistency among some of us.

Not me. As a member of a multi-generation Navy family, I regard all deserters as equally vile.

If you don't want to serve, don't volunteer for military service. I don't buy his lame excuse of questioning Obama's place of birth. The simplest explanation is that the guy is simply a coward.

[Tan Gent]

91. I must have missed something here, why can't he just resign his commission?

Or maybe should ask why -doesn't- he...
:shrug:

[slackmaster]

92. A tour of duty is for a fixed period of time

You can't just walk out of the military. He's committed to serve until it's over.

[Tan Gent]

95. But he's a Major. Surely he's completed the minimum obligation...??

He should be able to resign from active duty even if he's still stuck with the IRR.
I don't get it.

[slackmaster]

103. An officer can submit a resignation, but the service does not have to accept it

And if they accept it, it takes months to process. Unless you have some compelling personal reason like a physical health problem, it's not going to look good on your record.

[Tan Gent]

113. Okay, my only experience with that sort of thing was 30 years ago

one of my friends in the USAF, a Captain, was waiting for a security clearance and the OSI uncovered
some information about him. He resigned his commission on Monday and he was out by Wednesday.
I drove him to personnel to do the paperwork. Obviously it was an unusual situation...
:shrug:

[mmonk]

94. I am one. I come from a family with a distinguished list of vets.

The reason was I knew the reasons given were deliberate misinformation and dishonest for committing our nation to war with Iraq. Therefore, I viewed it as a misuse of our armed forces personnel. That shouldn't be compared nor seen as "equal" with something as ludricous as the Obama not being a natural born citizen canard.

[slackmaster]

102. It looks to me like you are buying one set of excuses because you happen to agree with...

...their stated reasons for refusing to go.

[maxrandb]

89. You know, maybe some did

But as an active duty member who served under Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II and now Obama...there are standards and rules for the military, and there are consequences to violating those rules.

I firmly believe that the reason our nation has been able to survive as long as it has, is partly due to the fact that we have civilian control of the military, and the military must remain apolitical. It's one small reason I am so opposed to the "wingnuts" who believe that the Constitution and the military only belongs to them!

Fuck 'em! If you are in the military, and you don't want to serve, then GET THE HELL OUT!!!!

Getting out may be painful, depending on how you do it, but if you're convictions are that strong. If you really feel that you can't serve....then GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!

It's not a Fucking Social Club! It's the Fucking United States Military!

[DrDan]

108. I certainly tend to agree with you

I carry a retired ID. The military is a place where you either do what you are told (for the greater good) or you get out of the way (leave the military). Not following orders may carry the extreme penalty - folks losing their lives. That was one of the biggest problems I had with junior - his thought that he did not have to follow orders to report to a duty station.

[maxrandb]

114. Yes

but in a larger sense, it is more than just about following orders. We can have an entire thread about what constitutes a "lawful" order, and the processes involved if you feel you've been given an "unlawful" order.

Whether this POS likes it or not, President Obama is...President, properly elected, certified and sworn. Therefore, he is also this POS' Commander-in-Chief.

He either deploys as ordered, or he gets a Court Martial, where, IMHO, he should lose all pay and benefits.

We simply can't have this type of cancer infecting the military.

And take my word for it. This guy, no matter if he was serving under Bush or Obama,...is a disease that must be removed from the military

[formercia]

8. This is just another tack to bring the birth cerificate issue up

in court. If anybody was illegitimate, it was Junior.

[Adelante]

70. It's about deposing Obama

The birth certificate issue and eligibility issue are means to that (they hope). You're right, they will try it any which way they can get away with.

[hobbit709]

9. OK, if you don't want Obama to send you there

How about they send you to the stockade at Ft. Leavenworth instead.

[no_hypocrisy]

11. And I assume this soldier would be pulling on the leash to go to Afghanistan if * were his CIC.

[cali]

13. ding, ding, ding.

[Loki]

14. Did he have a problems with a *president

who couldn't pass the required drug test and skipped out (AWOL) on the rest of his TANG enlistment during Viet Nam while 65,000 of his fellow Americans died including quite a few of my friends. Did the little fuck have a problem with that one?

[WeDidIt]

19. He's a Freeper

Literally, he posted on Free Republic all the way up until he joined the batshit insane Orly Taitz on this conspiracy nuttery.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

32. Exactly

[billyoc]

17. Say hi to all the boys at the stockade for me, Major.

Dick.

[snake in the grass]

51. That would be Private Cook.

Hope he enjoys pounding big rocks into little rocks at Ft. Lost in the Woods.

[WeDidIt]

18. Here's the bestt bit about this racist batshit insane loon

He's required to deploy on July 15, but his court date is July 16. If he doesn't deploy, he could end up doing time because no fucking way any military court lets him off on deploying as lawfully ordered to do so.

[cali]

22. har har. hope he ends up locked up by the end of the week.

[thunder rising]

43. Agreed ... fail to report and you better show up with a missing limb or in a coma

otherwise you get what is now called a "time out period" and you get the opportunity to rebuild your rank from the lowest level.

This asshole is an officer, a Major.

Read "Every Man a Tiger", the best of the military got out during the Vietnam war ... that left the barrel bottom worst NCOs and officers.

[Historic NY]

21. I see they're still handing out "stupid pills".

[sarge43]

24. Hell, if he doesn't want to go to Af, fine. It's a mad, bad place.

He could have picked far less painful ways -- shoot off his knee caps, get a butt ugly face tattoo, swan around post in a tutu, pee on his commander's desk.

After the SJA Great Whites get done laughing, they'll have his liver on a pole.

[cali]

25. um, he does want to go to Afghanistan. This is simply about

challenging Obama's legitimacy as president.

[sarge43]

33. Uh huh.

Any one who's been in service long enough to make O-4 and pulls this stunt wants out or is suicidally stupid. There's no other option here.

[cali]

38. he's a birther. a true believer.

and that means he's delusionally insane on the subject of Obama. Why isn't that an option?

[sarge43]

49. He suddenly became a birther about the same time as his turn

in the meat grinder orders were cut? This stinks of shirking and delectation of duty. No argument about insanity; however, where was his righteous stand when the House counted the electoral votes and declared Obama POTUS?

[cali]

50. you should do a little more research before spouting off.

read about it then get back to me. it couldn't be clearer that this is all about the birther thing and nothing to do with his not wanting to go to Afghanistan.

[sarge43]

53. When you can't answer the question, default to ad hominem. n/t

[cali]

54. there was no personal attack on you.

I simply suggested that you do some research before commenting. You are wrong. period. google the guy.

[cali]

58. here.

Plaintiff Major Stefan Frederick Cook is not a pacifist. He does not object to war or the use of military force in the implementation of national policy or the enforcement of international law. Above all, Plaintiff is not a coward, he is not engaged in mutiny, sedition, insubordination, contempt, disrespect, or any kind of resistance to any general or specific lawful order of which he knows or has received notice. Plaintiff Major Stefan Frederick Cook realizes and accepts as a matter of political reality (although it is very hard for him to bear personally) that many may criticize or even shun him, saying that he is not acting in the best interests of his country for trying to uphold the plain letter of the Constitution. Others may cynically ridicule this Plaintiff when, as an officer responsible not only to obey those above him but to protect those under his command, he comes to this Court asking for the right to establish the legality of orders received not only for his own protection, but for the protection of all enlisted men and women who depend on HIS judgment that the orders he follows are legal. Above all, when Plaintiff Major Stefan Frederick Cook submits and contends that he files and will prosecute this lawsuit and seeks an injunction or temporary restraining order against the enforcement of potentially illegal orders for the benefit of all servicemen and women and for the benefit all officers in all branches of the U.S. Military, he knows that those in power illegitimately may seek to injure his career. He knows that he risks all and he does so in the conscientious belief that he does so for not merely his own, but the general good. But Plaintiff cannot escape from the mandates of his conscience and his awareness, his educated consciousness, that all military personnel but especially commissioned officers have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.

NEVER BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES

Plaintiff presents the key question in this case as one of first impression, never before decided in the history of the United States: Is an officer entitled to refuse orders on grounds of conscientious objection to the legitimate constitutional authority of the current de facto Commander-in-Chief? In the alternative, is an officer entitled to a judicial stay of the enforcement of facially valid military orders where that officer can show evidence that the chain-of-command from the commander-in-chief is tainted by illegal activity? ..."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17266905/05311066823

[charlie]

28. His legal team is as crazy as he is

This guy thinks he's defending Nathan Hale:

http://charleslincoln3.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/a-modern-american-military-hero-major-stefan-frederick-cook/

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

29. And he got as far in rank as Major being this ignorant?

[strategery blunder]

31. OMG, read the comments

for a sample of true freeper wingnuttery! It's almost like the birther lawyer is posting on behalf of his client in the comments section! :puke:

Click on the link to Ledger-enquirer for true freeper firing squad. Teh stupid... :puke:

[Peacetrain]

36. You signed on the dotted line.. This is your Commander and Chief..

You do not get to pick and choose which President you listen to..

[csziggy]

59. How dare he question the President in a Time of War!

Isn't that what these idiots would be spouting if someone had pulled this in 2001 because they did not think * was lawfully appointed President? Plenty of people and probably plenty of military personnel had doubts back then, but they went ahead and followed their orders. But people were labeled traitors or unAmerican for simply questioning the advisability of the President's actions.

[Peacetrain]

61. Oh Yeah.. and our summer soldier here.. seems to forget ..Guantanamo

Bay has been a military prison for just such for over 40 years..My uncle spent time in Guantanamo in the 60's for going AWOL..

[ejpoeta]

39. i swear!! the people perpetrating this bullshit should be brought up on charges.

[zbdent]

40. Bush was not legally elected to office ...

so, can all the families of the dead soldiers sue?

[Mari333]

41. if hes been stop lossed over and over

I dont care what reasons he gives to get out of it.
this occupation is , was, and always will be bullshit.

[WeDidIt]

44. For the twelfth time in this thread, THE FUCKHEAD HAS NO PROBLEM GOING

He's a fucking birther. HE's using the fact he was being deployed to question his CIC, which means he's going to fucking jail.

[cali]

48. uh, this has jackshit to do with that. the pig would love to go kill Aghanis and Iraqis,

[Mari333]

55. thats sad. but the upside is that if he ends up in the brig

which he will , he wont be able to go over there and do that.

[Subdivisions]

45. According to Modern Ghana...

Obama was born on the African continent:


...snip...

For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth.

...snip...

http://www.modernghana.com/news/226379/1/history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow.html


The "Birthers" eat this stuff up...

[HughMoran]

46. execute him for treason

:)

[jody]

47. Agree court martial is appropriate and let SCOTUS' courts rule on the issue. n/t

[BlueMTexpat]

52. What you said! nt

[DainBramaged]

57. one word, chickenshit

[Brewman_Jax]

60. To borrow from Obi-wan Kenobi

Who's the bigger fool? The fool or the fool that follows him? Some idiot actually took a losing case? Count this as FAIL! :banghead:

[cali]

62. actually, orly nutcase, has filed suit after birther suit, and she recruited this guy.

[lame54]

66. If he's so afraid why can't he just say he's gay

[Deep13]

67. The RW equivalent of "He wasn't really elected...."

As is usual when comparing liberals and conservatives, the liberal argument that Bush wasn't really president because he wasn't lawfully elected is based on real facts while the RW just makes shit up.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

71. This is a case in which the unrec is a huge fail. DU should know about these loonies.

[Iggo]

75. DU does know about these loonies.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

93. So you think it should be un-recommended and not newsworthy?

[Iggo]

96. Nope.

How'd you get that?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

99. The way you said that DU already knew about these loonies

gave me the impression that the thread didn't deserve to be recommended. Sorry for my assumption. :hi:

[Iggo]

100. I read it again. You're right.

My bad.

[ellie]

72. Hawaii is not part of the U.S.?

I think I need a new map then.

[Iggo]

74. Fucking birthers.

"Let me see a birth certificate!"

"Okay. Here you go."

"No. Not that one. The REEEEEAAALLLL one!"

[Kingofalldems]

76. Why is this thread being un-recced?

[cali]

116. I'm guessing it's because I authored it

though the recs beat out the unrecs in the end.

[Arkana]

80. Enjoy your court-martial, Major.

Barack Obama's your CIC.

[rvablue]

82. DU lawyers: answer me this because I have no idea

Don't lawyers have to pass the bar in a certain state in order to practice there?

Do some states recognize membership in one state's bar association, in another?

How does this work?

Just wondering, because this batshit crazy lawyer is from CA and seems to be running to and fro filing frivolous lawsuits all over the country.

I know all of my questions might be totally naive, hence the request for some knowledge/experience sharing.

[WeDidIt]

84. This is federal, different standards apply

That said, Taitz has not been admitted to practice in this District.

[Blue For You]

85. "Stefan"...is that French?

Has Cook's birth certificate been doctored? :shrug:

[Hepburn]

88. This asshole, IMO, has become the definition of "totally fucking stupid." n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

97. Sure he can, but he'd be better off sending you to the brig.

Bigotry isn't one of the values which gets you conscientious objector status.

[Deja Q]

98. Some people still don't believe it. What does it take to prove it to them...

And even when shown, will they believe it anyway?

[11 Bravo]

101. The UCMJ is pretty clear on this. Major Cook has a GCM in his future.

[Lasher]

104. These birthers are the nuttiest of the GOP fruitcakes.

And that's saying a lot.

[Blue_Tires]

106. the more i think about this

the more i think this nutter is staging all this to 'reconsider' at the last second, or he was never going to be deployed to Afghanistan in the first place...i don't care how crazy he is; even he knows he's facing certain jail time over a dead issue so he must have left himself an out somewhere...

[Adelante]

109. It's not about deployment

That's just an excuse, you're right. They want Obama to have to prove his legitimacy and (they pray to God) be expelled from office when he can't; which they are convinced he can't do. They're nuts, but they know what they're doing, inasmuch as they will do ANYTHING to depose Obama. The nutter Cook is only a bit player, but he is a true Birther. It's the whole pack of dogs, the Birthers, the American Grand Jury, the Teabaggers, the white supremacists, the Sovereign Citizens, secessionists, and the like -- they are doing the staging and they are all working together. Cook is a reservist, it's not like it's his career on the line, so he does his bit for the cause.

This is his page on FreeRepublic, I understand, where he posts as roaddog727:

We would not be here today save for the second amendment and a strong military.

Army Reserve Officer (MAJ)/DOD Contractor. Spent 19 months in Kuwait from February 2002 through September 2003 as a Defense Contractor providing IT support to CFLCC HQ. Also served as a reservist (mostly not on active duty) in Kuwait. Mobilized in support of the Global War on Terror in the SOUTHCOM AOR from Aug 2005-Jul 2007. br />
Combat Engineer - Faciendum est

BS Economics, St. John's University 1983.
MBA Finance & Quantitative Analysis, Fordham University GBA 1986.
MS Total Quality Management (TQM), Anna Maria College 1996.

CCNA, CCDA, MCSA, CCNP, CCDP, CCDE(Qual), ITIL foundations, NSO L2, (Quintessential IT GEEK)


Staunch Republican and defender of the faith.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~roaddog727/


It's sketchy, but doesn't look like much of a military "career" he's sacrificing. It looks like he was a defense contractor to start with and was later mobilized as a reservist in 2005. I don't know more of his bio, but if this is what he's presenting to Freepers as military creds, it's not much.

He seems to think of himself as a warrior, though, a warrior for the right wing:

roaddog727

Situational awareness – in the real world as well as the blogosphere is key and critical to winning the war of information and countering the pusillanimous propaganda put out by the likes of the MSM and other “threat” outlets.

Read our blogs – read their blogs and as SUN TSU said, “Know your Enemy”.

With that knowledge at hand, we can collectively counter the threat much more effectively by setting things right and raising the BS flag.

http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2007/05/13/what-can-you-do/

From other posts I've seen he buys a lot of guns and stuff personally, not relying on the Army to arm him.

It's war, okay, but not in Afghanistan.

[Blue_Tires]

111. oh, he's a reservist...

that explains a lot....

still, i'm happy that these folks want to dump this much time, energy, money and manpower into a dead issue -- let them keep ranting on fringe wingnut sites, searching the ends of the earth for nonexistent evidence, filing 'unabomber legalese' briefs with the courts, circulating astroturf e-mails as stated fact, and let them keep dreaming about a day that will never come... Keep dangling that carrot on a stick in front of them, and hopefully they will still be in court 20 years from now trying to retroactively nullify Obama+Biden's 16 years...shit, if anything we should be encouraging them -- toss out a few manufactured crumbs to keep them on a trail and make them think they are making progress...

[Ohio Joe]

107. Sounds like he is too stupid to be a soldier - nt

[Sheepshank]

110. 2 things spring to mind

1. Can't see any court (military or otherwise) condoning a soldiers actions with regards to what orders they'll agree to what they won't, and from whom and who not those originate.

2. I'd like to hear from all of those that think soldiers can do no wrong, EVER, because they willingly and often stand in harms way unquestioningly, unflinchingly.

[Javaman]

112. I prefer a section 8 for this nut...

that would send a message to all the fundie right wing tea bagging morons out there.

[ProfessorGAC]

115. Court Martial ASAP!

He's a jerk.
GAC