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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:05 AM
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Skinner is just testing us! Are you a REAL Democrat and TRUE liberal? Can you be so easily silenced?
A true liberal and a true Democrat would never be silenced so quickly by an authoritative announcement that a new policy is http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6061846#6064052">"here to stay". Will you compromise the basic ideology that brought you here in the first place?

If you accept the announcement and are now telling others to just shut up about it, one can't help but wonder why you even come here in the first place.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:06 AM
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1. What if you are a Real Democrat but not a True Liberal
Or the opposite?

Bryant
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:15 AM
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13. What if you are a liberal democrat but not real true?
I think I am a quarter tone sour myself.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:28 AM
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36. or a true democrat who isn't real liberal?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:07 AM
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2. Oh good God, make it end
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:08 AM
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5. LOL
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:26 AM
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26. haha
:thumbsup:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:07 AM
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3. that is what DU is about
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:57 AM
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29. and the Moderators Have Just Changed the Reinforcement Schedule
from regular to intermittent. We will see what effect that has on subsequent behavior.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:07 AM
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4. You forget this.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:07 AM
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30. Unfortunately most do not
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 11:38 AM by Hutzpa
pay much attention to that, instead, they will try and impose their ideals
on DU about how they feel DU should be managed.

hmmm..... what does that remind you of.... superiority, noooo, suppression,
naahhh, catch my drift, for some its their way or the highway and they will
keep picking until they get what they want. Thats what this is all about.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:08 AM
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6. First, unrec isn't silencing anybody. Second, it's his site and his rules.
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 10:10 AM by WI_DEM
Third, it seems to me that except for a few people who won't let it go that most people seem to like the unrec feature because it actually gives people more say--not less. fourth, the only reason it seems that those who don't like it really give is that some of there posts may not make the "Greatest Page".
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:08 AM
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7. *roffle*
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:09 AM
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8. Indeed. So true.
One can't help but wonder why you even come here in the first place.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:10 AM
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9. You're calling out Skinner.
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 10:16 AM by TexasObserver
He's more open to criticism than most of us would be, but dayam!
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:11 AM
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10. Ha! yeah, like the "Obama wants us to FORCE his hand re policy" meme
I mean, it's a nice thought, dude, but when one walks the premise through, it doesn't stick.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:13 AM
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11. Huh?
I don't understand how having an "Unrecommend" feature silences anyone. If you have an issue with being silenced, you might want to take a stand against having an "Ignore" feature and/or a "Hide thread" feature. Unrecommending a thread does not silence the author one bit.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:56 AM
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28. I don't understand how having an "Unrecommend" feature silences anyone either. Who said it did?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:14 AM
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12. < 0 - the new FAIL. nt.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:15 AM
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14. ...


Sid
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:17 AM
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17. NOooooooooo! too funny!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:19 AM
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18. LOL!
:thumbsup:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:23 AM
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22. Oh. My.
:rofl:
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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:25 AM
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25. Thanks, Sid
:thumbsup:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:28 AM
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37. :)
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:16 AM
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15. For better or for worse, DU is a benevolent dictatorship.
Skinner, Elad, and EarlG call the shots. If they tell me they have made up their minds (i.e. we're not listening to you any more), then I will respect that decision and not waste any more of my time talking to them about it.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:23 AM
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23. Bingo. We're better off not focusing on the rec/unrecs anyway. Leave it to those who need it.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:26 AM
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34. They've told you that they ARE listening, just aren't changing their minds. DU is private enterpris
by the way.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:17 AM
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16. I think we've fallen into the black hole of meta. nt
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:20 AM
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19. You're making a lot of noise for someone who's been silenced.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:18 AM
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32. Buzz Clik and others who completely misunderstood me, please read this:
The above comment from Buzz Clik makes no sense. I never said the unrec feature itself served to silence anyone. I'm talking about members who are telling other members to shut up now about the unrec feature because of the announcement that it's "here to stay". They're saying that others should just accept it and stay silent since it's been officially characterized as not open to negotiation.

Did those same members tell us all to stay silent about Bush over the last eight years for that same reason? Did they stop complaining about Bush vs. Gore after the Supreme Court decision?

This is not a direct criticism of the unrec feature, it's a criticism of those people who demand that the criticism be silenced. There's no rule against continuing to complain about a policy you don't like, so instead of trying to silence others who complain, you should confine yourselves to disagreeing and explaining why you disagree.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:30 AM
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40. Not all criticism is equal.
Criticizing things that actually matter, I'm sure we all agree that that's great.

Criticizing message board features? Something that affects what gets on the GP? *Endlessly*? Not so great.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:21 AM
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20. You're the worst character ever Towelie.
n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:21 AM
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21. Well, let me see... Can I respond to this post??
Yep! Not silenced yet !
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:24 AM
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24. Unrecommended.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:32 AM
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27. My keyboard still works
maybe yours is broken. I come here because I like it here,it has kept me sane for the last eight years when we really were silenced everywhere else.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:28 AM
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38. Let me put it this way: I LOVE the unrec feature! I think it's just WONDERFUL!
Not really, but let's stipulate that I do. It doesn't matter. Whether I like the feature or not, this thread isn't about that. It's about members telling other members to shut up about it now that it's supposedly "here to stay". I think that if members are unsatisfied with our wonderful and brilliant new unrecommend feature then they should continue to say so, and other members are wrong to try to silence them.

Now do you understand?

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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:17 AM
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31. Looks like you're not going
to give up until you have your way, huh! feels like superiority complex
to me, how dare they (Skinner, Earl G and Elan) end my phalanx society.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:23 AM
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33. Of course I accept it, it's his site.
... even when he's wrong.

I'll continue donating, reading and posting what I think until Skinner decides that my views are no longer consistent with his vision.

That said, I think that an architecture which guarantees each user the ability to create a personal online experience free from dissenting opinion does not reflect well on progressives who fancy ourselves freethinkers.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:26 AM
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35. Sometimes a new feature is just a new feature
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:29 AM
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39. You've just run into some of the contradictions DU brings into the lime light
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 11:29 AM by Political Heretic
re: the disconnect between "principles" and "practice."

But, on the other hand - Skinner owns this site. The site itself isn't a "democracy." My being a critic, isn't a "right" on this board - I exist only at the pleasure (or tolerance) of the people who run the site.

So... :shrug: Whatddagonnado
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:30 AM
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41. This is a perfect example of a post that would have made it to the Greatest Page...
and which most DUers would believe did not belong there. It is controversial and inflammatory with no real value to the board. Thanks for proving the value of the new feature.
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Howzit Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:40 AM
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42. This is a privately owned site; not a Democracy. It can make up its own rules
Just because a web-site is about Democracy does not mean you get to vote in how it is run...
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:40 AM
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43. K&U
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:43 AM
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44. I'm not a "real" or "true" anything. So, if it's a test, I happily fail.
"Freedom is the absolute right of all adult men and women to seek permission for their actions only from their own conscience and reason, and to be determined in their actions only by their own will, and consequently to be responsible only to themselves, and then to the society to which they belong, but only insofar as they have made a free decision to belong to it." Mikhail Bakunin
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:43 AM
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45. Truly, Skinner is like the angry Old Testament Yahweh and you are like Job.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #45
47. nice! I lol'ed
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:00 PM
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50. Good one
extremely impressive.:spank:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:45 AM
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46. I accept that this is Skinner's 'house' and we are guests here
not his mother.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. OMG how DARE you
make sense!!????

:)



Yep...this is Skinner's "house...and I see it similar as making rules in my own house and expecting people to follow them. Nobody is forced to come to my house. If I have rules here, like no smoking inside (yes), or no swearing (no) I don't expect that people will try to work out a compromise or complain endlessly about what the rules are or try to argue with other guests over what's "right" or "wrong" with my rules.

Nobody who comes to my home thinks their right to smoke is being suppressed because they have to go outside to do it. And if I didn't want swearing or other offensive language in my home, it wouldn't do for people to complain that their rights to free speech are being denied in my home.

If the complainers on this discussion board think their rights are being stomped on, well, there's a very good solution to that problem. Start their own board and make up their own rules. Or, start up a blog and post whatever they want.

As someone else said, either in this thread or a different one... I can't recall....sometimes a new feature is just a new feature.

All this drama...

sigh....







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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:53 AM
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48. Geez, maybe you should go smoke some more dope or whatever.
Talk about a Don Quixote issue.

Fucking hell.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:54 AM
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49. lol. whatever.
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