OMG, the humanity! *****Police report on men's plaza kiss released*****

[cboy4]

READ THE POLICE REPORT BELOW:



By Erin Alberty
The Salt Lake Tribune

Updated: 07/15/2009 02:05:09 AM MDT

Church security guards cited kissing and hugging as the "unwanted" behavior two gay men displayed before they were detained and ticketed for trespassing on a plaza near the LDS Temple, according to the police report.

Spokesmen for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Salt Lake City police department have thus far declined to specify the behavior that prompted guards to ask Matt Aune, 28, and his partner, Derek Jones, 25, to leave the plaza at 50 E. North Temple. Aune said that the guards "slammed him to the ground" while detaining him; a guard disputed that claim, according to the police report.

Aune and Jones said they have seen heterosexual couples holding hands and kissing without incident on the plaza. Church spokeswoman Kim Farah has said the Aune and Jones were not singled out for being gay and that they were "politely asked to stop engaging in inappropriate behavior."
:eyes: :rofl: What a lie

However, the police report does not indicate the men were given the option to stay if they stopped kissing or hugging. It states only that the guard told the men that "they need to leave property for the behavior and that is unwanted," and that the men were detained when Jones said he would not leave.

The men's detention reignited controversies over the church's efforts against gay marriage and the city's sale of the plaza to the church 10 years ago. The city had kept a public easement on the pedestrian thoroughfare but later gave it up, allowing the church to control activities on the plaza. Sunbathing and protesting now are banned.

Scores of demonstrators staged a "kiss in" to support Aune and Jones on Sunday morning near the plaza.


FULL .PDF REPORT----------> http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12838610



:wtf:

[sfwriter]

1. Pick a day and hold a smoochfest there...

They can't arrest 1000 people can they?

[Ken Burch]

9. self-delete

the intentions of the post were misconstrued.

[cboy4]

15. It's not funny to indirectly mock the gay community Ken because it's

not a funny situation.

Gay people shouldn't have to do shit, other than be allowed to do what everyone else in society is allowed.

[Ken Burch]

18. No mocking was intended.

I was honestly suggesting tactics. The ideas were comic, but intended as a way to use comedy as a method. I've now deleted the post in question.

I'm on your side.

[cboy4]

20. Cool

Thanks for that.

[Ken Burch]

21. Well, actually, I was mocking the Mormon bigots.

You are ok with THAT, aren't you?

[cboy4]

24. No Ken, there's no greater defender of Mormon bigots

than I.

[cboy4]

14. I wouldn't put anything past the dirtbag Mormons (no offense to the good

Mormon DUers) and the dirtbag SLC Police Department.

[ColbertWatcher]

28. That would be the best flash mob EVER!

Come on improv everywhere! Step up!

[ccharles000]

2. k/r

[rvablue]

3. How are private security guards allowed to "detain and ticket" people?

What's up with that?

[sutz12]

4. It's called "citizen's arrest" I believe anybody can actually do it. nt

[rvablue]

10. That doesn't answer the "ticketed" part. n/t

[cboy4]

12. Actually the asshole who issued the ticket was one of those

ridiculous Salt Lake City cops who get off on harassing teh gays.

[csziggy]

11. If I find someone trespassing on my property I am not allowed to arrest them

Detain them or "issue a citation." I have to call the Sheriff's Department and then THEY will not do anything unless they witness the trespassing. Even if I identify the person who was trespassing, the Sheriff's Department will not issue a warning if they do not see the person ON my property.

I am in a different state, but I call BS on this.

Of course, it could be that private security forces are allowed to do this, but why the hell should they have more rights than the property owner unless it is a scam to force a property owner to hire those mercenaries? The next time I catch a poacher on my farm, I'll have to ask the deputy that responds if I have to hire a private security firm to protect my property rights since I am not allowed to.

[cboy4]

13. I completely understand your outrage .. I will say that in California, a

private person (doesn't have to be a security guard), can indeed make a citizen's arrest.

However, it's a risky thing to do -- especially if it's not involving something more important than detaining someone for being on so-called private property.

Why?

Because while you may lawfully be within your rights to do so, the person you're detaining can hire a lawyer and unleash a barrage of devastating civil lawsuits against you.

So yea, the DA may not take action, but oh boy, private lawyers often see dollar signs.

[csziggy]

26. Yeah, and when I caught a poacher, he was carrying a gun while I was not!

So I wasn't really going to try to arrest him. :scared:

But when I called the Sheriff's Department, they would not even give the guy a warning though I knew who he was and where he lived (he was a neighbor who had asked about hunting and who I refused to allow to hunt). That ended up OK - we found his tree stand, took it down and gave it away.

Then a friend in the Wildlife Law Enforcement Division offered to stake out the location. Since it was not yet hunting season, we just put the word around the neighborhood that we were going to allow the stake out and that we knew exactly who was poaching and the path they were taking from his house to where his tree stand had been. :evilgrin:

[DaveinJapan]

36. You sure about that?

Issuing the citation, I understand (can't do it).

But people can certainly be detained on private property by private security (or even non-security) pending the arrival of police.

For example, if someone is shoplifting in your store, you as the worker or owner can grab them and detain them I believe. And also, I'm pretty sure you can "escort" an unwilling trespasser off of private property as well (isn't that what bouncers are paid to do?).

[csziggy]

38. The Sheriff's deputy that came said I was not allowed to detain anyone

Besides, it was a poacher with a gun so I wasn't so keen to attempt it. But even though I knew who it was and where they lived the deputy said he could not even give a trespass notice unless he (the deputy) witnessed the trespassing.

Of course, deputies really do not know the law, but if they are unwilling to enforce what I think is the las for all practical purposes, his opinion is the law.

[Raster]

23. Actually, it's called "Utah," which is a world unto it's self.

The Mormon church is feeling the public scrutiny because of their illegal foray into politics--Proposition 8--and then lying about it.

[cboy4]

29. Off topic, but TIME TO TAX THE CHURCH!

!!!

[Ken Burch]

5. I noticed the report claimed one of the men had alcoholo on his breath

Given that this was MORMON property, would the report also have mentioned it if one of them had been holding a latte?

[mitchtv]

7. unprovable lie

meant to besmirch complainant

[Ken Burch]

8. You're right, of course

And I wasn't meaning to endorse it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. If it's unprovable, how do you know it's a lie?

He did admit he had recently been in a bar.

[mitchtv]

17. no test results are available

hence, unprovable

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. That's my point.

So how do you know he's lying?

[mitchtv]

39. I read the police report

and the article (their lips were moving)

[jayfish]

31. Alcohol Is Orderless.

This was a poorly written report. A LEO should never write that he/she smelled alcohol. It should be written as intoxicating liquor or similar.

Jay

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Sure it does, plus, you're being facetious.

There are a million police reports that read just like that one.

[jayfish]

34. Then There Are A Million Poorly Written Police Reports Out There.

I'm not being facetious at all. It was taught in my LEO writing class and that was nearly twenty years ago. Never give a defense attorney the opening to ask "and what, exactly, does alcohol smell like".

Jay

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. What does alcohol smell like?

It smells like what anybody's breath smells like when they've had a few drinks.

[jayfish]

37. I Just Told You, It's Orderless.

When writing the report you say "beer, wine, liquor, spirits" or whatever. You never say "alcohol". This is most important when showing that you had cause to administer tests in OUIL cases. You can't say "well I gave Jim a field sobriety because I smelled alcohol on his breath" because a good defense attorney will make you look like a fool.

Jay

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. You told me it's odorless, but that's absurd.

If I gave you a glass of water, and a glass of pure ethanol, anybody with a functioning olfactory system would be able to distinguish which is which by smell alone.

[jayfish]

42. The Only Thing That's Absurd Is That You Keep Arguing This Point. -NT-

Jay

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. Huh.

Well, I hope your students at least learned fact checking from somebody else.

[jayfish]

45. Really? You Really Replied Again?

You are on the internet, why don't you use it?

ON EDIT: I tire of this. Here is a link for you.

Jay

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read on the interweb.

Even the stuff you don't read thoroughly.

:rofl:

[mitchtv]

6. Testa- lying

perfected by police world wide

[Behind the Aegis]

19. What year is this?!

Of course, I have seen comments here about how "yucky" seeing two guys kiss is, so I can't be all that shocked that shit like this happens in a place like SLC.

[cboy4]

22. What's interesting is I have a couple of friends who live in SLC, and they

swear to me that it's not the rabid anti-gay police state I accuse it of being.

Naturally, my response is always, "mmmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmm."

But they say there are quite a few gay people there, and the problem is not with the cops as much as it is with those fucking hate mongers over at the land of Magical Underpants.

[Behind the Aegis]

25. I have heard there is a gay community there, mainly lesbian.

I was just commenting that it really isn't all that suprising because the overly conservative nature of that city. To be honest, I am surprised we haven't seen more. That Dateline show "What would you do?" showed people calling 911 when they encountered gay couples kissing (male only, the female couples had their pics taken by horn-dog pig males).

[ColbertWatcher]

27. Men cannot kiss each other; it's not in the Constitution! n/t

[Ignis]

30. I love the name of the complainant:

NICKEL, WALTER NORBERT II

It's good to see that Walter Norbert Nickel passed his name along to his son. :rofl: No wonder the poor guy's so angry and pent-up!

[rd_kent]

41. Since when can PRIVATE security put handcuffs on someone?

It is my understanding that even in department stores, if a security guard touches you, you have the right to sue. I know I sure would. Especially if they put handcuffs on me.

[happychemtrails2u]

43. They did that in my downtown city last year and some passersby were appalled

I heard one lady mumble that they shouldn't have done that with children nearby, as if it were obscene. And I live near one of the biggest cities in the USA, so I can't imagine Salt Lake!