So who's fault is it if/when this healthcare bill tanks?

[goodboy]

Blue Dogs? The President? Harry fuckin' Reed?

We worked hard to get Barack Obama elected.

The American People rejected Republicans and their shitty ideas and policies.

The President had a mandate, and a majority.

Now he's got a super-majority.

Why should we compromise on anything? Who fuckin' cares what republicans think?

We need a Democratic version of Bill Frist. Someone who drives the agenda, reigns in the Senate, gets shit done. Harry Reed is worthless IMO.

sorry.

on edit: I only use Frist as an illustrative example. I hate that fuck, and everything he stands for.

[Warpy]

1. CONSERVATIVES

The blame will lie nowhere else.

[goodboy]

2. Including the Blue Dogs, right? (nt)

[niceypoo]

5. Democrats

For allowing a de-clawed minority party to control what they do

[goodboy]

6. I don't understand that. WHY are they afraid? What are they afraid of?

The repukes are doing what they always do, (after the American people handed them their asses) and the Dems are doing what they always do...catering to the repukes.

I don't fucking get it.

[niceypoo]

3. Go nuclear

Exercise the nuclear option.
Go around the blue dogs.
Go around the GOP.

Problem solved.

[goodboy]

4. Reid is too nice to go nuclear. (nt)

[Walk away]

7. We are losing because of lies. republicans and big medicine...

lie constantly. Why aren't Progressives on the air calling out the lies and telling the truth? All I hear on TV and the radio are outrageous wingnut lies about a public option. Where are the Democrats talking about this?

[sandnsea]

8. OURS

I don't think we organized the way we should have. None of us.

[goodboy]

9. it almost seems like monday morning quarterbacking at this point,

but I think there are some real legitimate questions that need answering. And they start with a giant, resounding WTF?

[sandnsea]

16. This isn't over, we have over a month

If everybody will just quit sniping and start circling the wagons. There is time to fight for details like abortion and fines and essential care when we get this to the floor and into conference. But we've got to get it there first.

[goodboy]

19. I'm totally with you. Abortion is a distraction and a trap...

and it's bullshit like that the we always fall into time and time again.

[goodboy]

10. I just looked at my paycheck, almost one third of it: HEALTH INSURANCE (nt)

[xultar]

11. Democrats. When I think of all the shit the Pubs pushed through I get angry.

[goodboy]

13. Can we say that out loud now? Can we admit that congress fucked this up? (nt)

[xultar]

18. I'm willing to get neekid and scream it from every corner of the earth.

[goodboy]

14. Right? They did whatever they wanted, even without a majority...

and there the dems were...like a dog waiting for a treat.

:nuke:

[kjackson227]

12. Democratic Congress

[Shoelace]

15. these guys and their endless propaganda

not to mention their huge contributions to Blue Dog Dems, Repugs.

https://progressivemaryland.org/public/images/cartoons/cartoon-health+drugindustry.jpg

[Cleita]

17. Obama will get the blame. It could even make him a one term

President. I think he's going to need to channel his inner FDR and LBJ to get this going in the right direction. He's going to have to throw the profiteers under the bus or this will be the biggest mistake of his first year in office.

[goodboy]

20. Well said. Whenever he was campaigning they had the truth squad out there

FIGHT THE SMEARS.

Where's the healthcare FIGHT THE SMEARS?

[Thothmes]

38. Be careful what you wish for, he channeled LBJ and

is now expanding the war in Afghanistan.

[Individualist]

21. DLC

"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," - Dennis Kucinich

[Butch350]

22. Democrats!

If this new health care plan sucks no one will be around to blame except the DEMS.

[sharesunited]

23. Anyone who wanted a national makeover but failed to call it Medicare for All.

If it had been branded properly as Medicare for All, the only debate would have been how to pay for it.

In this era of making a bottomless wishing well available to rescue banks, this much narrower debate should have been an easy fight to win.

Start branding it properly, and have another run at it.

Shoulda woulda coulda, but never give up.

[goodboy]

25. Remember FIGHT THE SMEARS from the Campaign? Where is the

Healthcare FIGHT THE SMEARS?

There should've been One voice, one message on this.

[sharesunited]

26. Absolutely. Otherwise, divided and conquered without an easy-to-grasp central theme.

[goodboy]

27. but in the end, you need someone much much stronger than harry reid

runnin the senate.

[dflprincess]

28. Except the ideas that are currently being put forward aren't anywhere near "Medicare for All"

and calling what they're proposing by that name would have been an outright lie.

Medicare for All would be single payer system and single payer wasn't even allowed to be part of the discussion.

[goodboy]

29. Can anyone explain why single payer wasn't part of the discussion?

[sharesunited]

31. That term is strange and fear provoking. Medicare for All would have calmed those jitters.

Medicare is a well known and popular program beloved by all.

Very difficult to demonize.

[timeforpeace]

24. The republican minority.

[goodboy]

30. yeah right...they're just doing what they always do. And the dems

are the saps that keep letting them.

Can't change the repukes, they're biologically fucked.

[dflprincess]

34. And the Blue Cross Dems that don't want to give up the campaign "contributions". (eom)

[HughMoran]

32. yours

:P

[BlooInBloo]

33. The Senate.

[JDPriestly]

35. The Blue Dog traitors. Every European country simply pays for

healthcare insurance through taxation. We should do that. The taxes will be much cheaper than the ransoms we pay healthcare companies. They are stealing from ordinary people. It's horrible what they do.

[goodboy]

36. Yep..why is our wellness an INDUSTRY? What incentive do the

insurance companies, or for that matter the fuckin drug companies to keep us well?

[earth mom]

37. We are. We should have gone all French on the government. It's the ONLY thing that works.

[DefenseLawyer]

39. Senate Democrats

Period.

[blaze]

40. Spineless Democratic Party!!!

We should be controlling and framing the debate on this issue!!!

Instead, the Repubs are and they have the Democrats cowering in the corners.

We have/had a great opportunity here.

I think it's already wasted.

[Thothmes]

41. If health care reform fails

we will be the ones that caused it to fail. We elected people that could be influenced by the insurance and pharmaceutical interests. We elected a president that did not have the experience or managerial skills to "make it happen". Knowing full well how the Republicans would attack the program,
we were unable to or incapable of countering their actions. We were unable to mobilize the american people in support of the reform effort. Of course, what we will see on this forum is op after op blaming The BFEE, the blue-dogs, the Republicans, the fundis, big business interests, the homophobes, the BSA and the WCTU. everyone but us. We will be the ones that failed. JMO