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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:43 AM Original message |
Poll question: Do Cops Routinely Alter Their Police Reports? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. If you mean "lie on" I would say most likely.. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. why do people have to cushion the lie. it is what it is. lie.... nt |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:45 AM Original message |
I'll say it again. Police officers are professional liars. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
4. I agree... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
36. 100% agree. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
2. Standard Operating Procedure |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. Absolutely correct |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. Always. It is literally part of the job. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
50. It's just "paperwork" ... for "bureaucrats" ... a "game" ... and it's OK because we "know" the perp |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Yes, and in many departments, trying to be a good cop will subject the person to rebuke. |
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JitterbugPerfume (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
3. I think some do |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. Have you ever edited a report? Have you ever made changes as requested by your supervisor? |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. that wasn't the question... |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. No need, I already know that everyone makes changes to reports |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. A police report that is altered is fundamentally different than your memo to the boss on widgets. |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Not true. The cop writes the report and hands it to his supervisor. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Yes, it is true. Stop being an apologist for cops who lie. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. If the supervisor 'makes revisions' that alter the FACTS of the report |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
28. . |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. when you edit it to a non truth, ya... it is a lie. but i saw no evidence of edit |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Also, not all 'altered' reports carry the same weight and potential re consequences |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. wow to all the people working so damn hard to justify an officer lying on an official |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. you don't have to alter a report if you're a cop. just lie right off the bat. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. seems like not an issue. people seem to be saying, so????? nt |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
10. alter and lie on are two different things |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
11. The attempt at "fair and balanced" is amusing, but just get rid of "alter".. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
38. when you're talking about cops, the only fair thing is to say they all lie. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
12. I know an ex-cop who jokes that whenever he took an oath in court, |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
29. My mother was a seamstress |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
13. It always amazes me that so many simply don't understand that the police are not their friends. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. People admire what they want...so when it comes to authority figures, easy equation. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
14. Not all cops lie on their police reports. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Most do, at one time or another. Some routinely. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Most people will lie to get the outcome they want. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. But not as much as police. They do it routinely and with great ease. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. LOL says someone that spends time on a message board |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Correction. Says someone who has actually caught cops lying under oath. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Correction - not all cops |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Yes, all cops. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Nope, you are ill informed |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I'm not a cop groupie, but an objective observer. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I have two brothers that are attorneys. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Your brother knows well the subject. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I suggest you that you keep your suggestions and your broad brush |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Is there... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. cops do lie with great ease and frequency. I know for a fact. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. The cops you know lie |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. you get no brownie points from me. I don't live in a bubble... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. I don't either |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Remember |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. bullshit. |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. It is a minority that violates policy and the law |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Sadly, I do agree with your statement. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
20. Yup. As if Crowley uses the word 'tumultuous' in his daily |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
21. Yes |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. It's so common they evenh have a name for it: testilying. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Prosecutor: "How much is two plus two?" |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
32. Of course they do. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
34. speaking from personal experience, hell yes, the cop alter their reports. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
45. "Alter", probably not, but I know there is come "creative writing" going on. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
51. everyone is answering wrong |
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gita (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
54. I have a question for you: |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. FYI: Domestic abuse by cops is a serious problem and not a laughing matter. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
59. The vote by DU is 92% YES. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. yet still, excuses made, told to respect, acceptable behavior. wow. nt |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Without such votes, one would think the argument was much closer, eh? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. or the cop defenders understand cops lie on reports and dont care. not relevant |
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MurrayDelph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
66. and then there are the ones who don't deliberately lie |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
67. And 'plant' shit in people's car and on there person!!! n/t |
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Supply Side Jesus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
68. *yawn* |
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Supply Side Jesus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
69. dupe |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
71. There undoubtedly exist some who do and some who don't, so the question is ambiguous. |
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