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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:05 PM Original message |
Was Hiroshima Necessary? |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. im not second guessing guys that made the call 60 years ago |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. God forbid history should be looked at critically. |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. go ahead look, but try not to put your worldview on their decisions |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Isn't that the standard line on all historical apologia? |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. lol i guess that history to you must be a total shock then |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
149. No. |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. All our military leaders in theater at the time thought it wasn't necessary |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. cool so if the military leaders in the field in iraq and afghanistan want to use nukes |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. and i guess that means the military in your book get to make decisions then |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
66. Where did provis say its the military's decision? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. More cut & pasted quotes. More Doug Long. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Strong evidence here. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
160. No, that's simply not true. |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. Setting them of in Japan back then |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. Japan Seeks Peace |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Why are you laughing? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. No need to read any more revisionist history. Thanks to FDR who ordered the project, to Truman who |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. "Revisionist history" - what the fuck is this crap? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Yes I do. Have a good day. n/t |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. And despite epithets like 'revisionist,' revision is often necessary. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Suggest you read "The Invasion That Didn’t Happen ". |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. so you admit Japan was only interested in peace on THEIR terms? You just lost your argument |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. That's only true on the internet. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
93. Germany was interested in "peace" |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
150. Eiesenhower Wasn't There |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yes |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Over-precise quoting of estimates doesn't establish opponents as 'idiots.' |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Strictly adhering to fantasy hypotheticals as the truth does |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
11. This is some sloppy historical scholarship, that's for sure. n/t |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
146. True, Sir: Here Is A Tid-Bit Concerning LeMay At The Time, From An Eyewitness |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
14. Hard to tell. But Nagasaki was clearly wrong. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
16. Utter horseshit. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Japan was not the wronged party; but the inhabitants fo two Japanese cities may have been. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. sorry, I ahve no sympathy at all for anybody in those bombings |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. So if some Iraqi insurgents got the Bomb... |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Apples to horses |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Well, there's the issue of race. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:35 AM Response to Reply #35 |
94. Yea, Truman integrated the military |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #94 |
114. That's a distraction from the point. It would be pretty hard to argue that racism |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #114 |
141. Sorry |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. I think you're missing a fundamental difference: |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
125. Nonesense, Sir |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
102. You have no sympathy for children who were horribly injured or killed? |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #26 |
111. That is not really much of an argument. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Total war. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #21 |
89. They didn't surrender after the first one, they didn't surrender immediately aftrer the SECOND one |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
22. Was Iraq Invasion Necessary? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Was 9-11 necessary? |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. War has its own logic - Dehumanization of "enemy" |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Hiroshima ended a war, the other started one n/t. |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Then why did we bomb Nagasaki if it ended the war? |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Imagine how many lives would have been saved if they surrendered unconditionally |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. That was not the norm of warfare and doesn't justify mass murder of a defeated enemy |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:38 AM Response to Reply #41 |
95. Yea the 30 million killed by the Japanese during WW2 |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
34. I don't think the bomb was dropped to beat Japan |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
36. I wonder if the Japanese beat themselves up every year on 12/7 |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
38. Was, or is, any city necessary. Is Chicago necessary? Or Boston? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
45. No. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
47. It doesn't matter whether or not it was necessary |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 05:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
71. It certainly does matter |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
48. If you've got a culture that hides grenades and blow themselves up after surrendering.... |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
49. No one should use WMD ever. Is that not our US policy? nt |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
50. Was the bombing of Pearl Harbor necessary? |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. What does that have to do with it? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. That's where you're wrong. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. We did no such thing and you know it. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
65. The fact that you so casually dismiss Nanking tells me a lot. n/t |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #51 |
90. What does it have to do? EVERYTHING!!! |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #51 |
96. Oil embargo OPEC |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
122. The oil was feeding their war machine which was killing a lot of civilians |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #50 |
103. No. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #50 |
115. Absolutely not. No one ought to minimize the atrocities of the Japanese. |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
52. This is all so irrelevant. Nukes killed a lot less than other bombings. |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Not true - Nukes Keep Killing long after they dentonate, reaching into the womb |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. One poster said one million, that thread is under 500k. |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I was just pointing out the error and nuclear weapons lead to the greatest arms and terror race ever |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. If the use of nuclear weapons stopped their future use, then it saved lives. |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. It has ALREADY destroyed lives and has the potential to do it again. |
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Quezacoatl (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
54. Ask Japan |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
61. Sadly, yes it was. But it was still a tragic event. |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
62. I hate the idea of people dying and I detest war |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I think there's a sense among liberals that the dark parts of the losers history is already known |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. As a history major and WWII buff, it always baffles me how people gloss over Japan ravaging Asia. |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Discussing our decision to Nuke a defeated nation's civilian population, twice, does not 'gloss over |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. The bombings weren't war crimes. |
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Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #68 |
131. same with me |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
64. Yes. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 06:10 AM Response to Original message |
72. I do not know |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
73. Continued "normal" bombing would have been worse, as it killed many times the number |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Not true - Nukes Keep Killing and Maiming long after they dentonate |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. True, but how many conventional bombs and bullets |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Since they were militarily defeated by then, as well as their allies, I would imagine not many |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
139. Their Military Leadership, Ma'am, Did Not Think They Were Defeated.... |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #74 |
97. Ah, ShamelessHussy |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #74 |
100. That would be atomics |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
75. Yeah... |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. The mass and indiscriminate murder actually killed american's, too |
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GodlyDemocrat (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
78. Yes, firebombings killed more people than the nukes |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Not true - Nukes Keep Killing and Maiming long after they dentonate |
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GodlyDemocrat (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. What is your estimate of total dead from Hiroshima/Nagasaki |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. The horror of Hiroshima lives on |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Those Figures Are Flat Nonesense, Ma'am |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #91 |
106. I'm sure you are an expert on the subject, sir. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #106 |
110. That Is Contained In The Numbers Provided, Ma'am |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #110 |
116. Radiation kills and mains long after the initial blast. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #116 |
124. The Difference, Ma'am, Between 200,000 and Several Thousands Is No Quibble |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #124 |
128. That's right, and I think that the folks on the ground who are studying this are more accurate |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. Sources Have Been Provided, Ma'am |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #84 |
98. and millions lost their lives because of the firebombing |
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edbermac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
79. From Mitsuo Fuchida who led the air attack on Pearl Harbor. |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. That's why they surrendered - We agreed to that very important condition |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:49 AM Response to Reply #82 |
99. Yes, if we had just let them keep everything they murdered for |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Good find. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
83. The further we are from contemporary events, the less able we are to answer that question. n/t |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. cop out |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #85 |
107. No, it's not. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #83 |
112. Actually, we generally become better able to answer such questions over time. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #112 |
119. No. We are constrained into the frame of "how it turned out". |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. The future was as uncertain to them then as the hypothetical future is to us now. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #120 |
137. In Engaging in Hypotheticals, Sir |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
88. YES! |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
92. Very Thin Gruel, Ma'am |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #92 |
104. Look who's talking, Sir. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #104 |
109. It Does Not Take Much To Refute It, Ma'am |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #109 |
113. In some peoples minds apparantly so, Sir. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #113 |
123. You May fail To See It All You Like, Ma'am |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #123 |
130. Suggestion |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #130 |
134. Calm Disagreement With You, Ma'am, Based On Knowledge Of Fact, Is Disruption? |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Awesome job, Sir! |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
101. Yes it was necessary to save millions of lives that would have been lost in prolonged hostilities. |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
105. One only has to look at the casualties of both sides.. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #105 |
138. Excellent Points, Sir |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
108. No, not necessary |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
117. Racing the Enemy: Stalin, Truman, and the Surrender of Japan - Excellent Book on this Subject |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. A responce to some critisims of the book from another WWII expert |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #118 |
147. Mr. Bernstien, Ma'am, Gets A Victory Lap Here, And Without Even The Bother Of Showing Up.... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
121. Damn are people still trying to convince us that we should have knuckled under to the Axis powers? |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. Not at all. Just asking why we had to NUKE a defeated nation interested in terms of surrender, TWICE |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #126 |
136. You Quite Mistake The Degree Of Readiness For Surrender, Ma'am |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
127. I think it's a good question |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
129. They could have dropped it elsewhere |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
133. "What has kept the world safe from the bomb since 1945 has not been deterrence...so much as MEMORY" |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 07:08 AM Response to Reply #133 |
144. Well said |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
140. Most advisers urged it not be used . . . John McCloy/fascist was very close to Truman, however . . . |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
142. It was obviously the 'Christian thing' to do! |
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Third Doctor (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
143. Actually |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #143 |
145. More To The Point, Doctor |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
148. Again?!?!?!? |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. And We Haven't |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. You belive you speak for everyone? |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. Don't Put Words In My Mouth |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. May I quote you... "And WE Haven't" (emphasis on 'we' added) |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #157 |
159. WE HAVEN'T REPEATED HISTORY! |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. Yet - However, if we forget, ignore or refuse to examine, we might... that is why it is necessary |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #152 |
154. A Pleasure To See You, Professor! |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Same Here. And Same Here |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
158. knr |
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