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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 12:50 PM Original message |
The US has always been a country of violence |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's a widespread myth that Americans are a peace-loving people. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. And that the U.S. is a 'force for good' in the world |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. +1 |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. That's true, in general.. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. also, it dismisses the fact |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-14-09 06:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
120. It's not that other countries are violent also ... |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-14-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
124. When A Huge Quantity Of Easily-Available Guns........ |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-14-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. that's not proof |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. It's a widespread myth among Americans that Americans are a peace-loving people. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. Unlike the peacefulness in so many other countries |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Comparison to other countries is not the point. |
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nonsequitur (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
51. really! This article is bullshit. .......................... |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
76. Nobody's calling it the evil boogeyman. The reality though, is |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
5. "native White majority"?? |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Indeed. Native Americans treated their enemies and captives.... |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. absolute bullshit |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. No, quite the opposite. Many of the tribes were notorious for.... |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. i don't deny anything |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Kindly show where I said that. I made zero mention of... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Then you must have been asleep the day they taught European History. |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. No, I'm quite aware of it. Where and when did we, in America... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. You don't get away with calling native people more brutal |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. And I clearly stated "than we are today". |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. So, leaving captives in storage containers to die in the desert is not as bad? |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. I am sick about such ignorance...and we wonder why those guilty |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. It's not only ignorance, it's also a willful misrepresentation of others. |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
79. He or she is the type I have no doubt that believe they should just nuke the lot of them |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. You have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about. |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #86 |
105. Sure I do...just from reading what you've typed on several posts it's pretty obvious |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Sorry, you're way out of line. From reading that I think.... |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #106 |
118. And why your at it...your researching I mean for real historical facts... |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Let's see here....... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Yes, it was co-ordinated by US Special Forces and it was done more than once. |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Again, you're making specious comparisons. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Nope. You claimed we didn't do the shipping containers |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I'm sorry, could you point out where I said that? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Here |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Ah, I see. I stand by my statement. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Special Forces worked with Dostum. They're weren't "in the area". |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. That link doesn't support your contention, doesn't show.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. If you're waiting for a confession, you're going to wait a long time. |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. No, I'm simply waiting for you to back up your claim. |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
117. Your just choosing to ignore the obvious...hope you can sleep at night..have no doubt |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Nor do you see native americans doing that either in this day and age... |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Nor have I claimed that they do such things today. |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. do you see something wrong with this post of yours? Besides the spelling |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. No, sorry, I don't. |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
78. People like you are whats wrong with this country....you simply ignore the evil as long as it does |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. No, not in the least. I tend not to see things in the histrionic manner |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
81. Your kidding me right??? Oh my, you need to so a bit of researching.... |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. What I'll ignore is your failure to directly answer my question |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
75. One must always be careful to draw a distinction... |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #75 |
87. I've found plenty of historical documentation in regards to |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. I would love to entertain any valid, peer-reviewed material |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I'm sure you would. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. And yet you supply us with nothing but opinion and editorial. |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I can supply you with plenty of links, but it's disingenuous on your part |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Not games... |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Most definitely games. You're asking for academic materials one moment... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Relevant source material denies Academic source material? |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Yes, I'm aware of what they are, thanks. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Observation rather than opinion on my part. |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. And on mine, as well. Again, if you want links, I have them. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #75 |
90. . |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. Is the act in your pictogram part and parce |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Wait a sec. First you question it as being an aberration, now.... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. a particular tribal region would be a cultural aberration when discussing |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. Are you serious?????? Ummmmm ever take a look at the little props |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Are you serious? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
63. Oh, yes they did torture: Early Colonial Torture |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Again: I was specifically addressing what happened at Salem. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Yes, I am. There was torture at Salem. n/t |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
82. You miss history classes? Or did you just ignore the lessons.. |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Yawn. I see you're not willing to address what's actually being said... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. What about those bombings of black churches |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. But, of course, they did. Aztecs cut out living hearts by the thousands... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. That wasn't your assertion but nice try. |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. But, of course, that was exactly my assertion. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Nope. This was your assertion: |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Your comparison is specious. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. My comparison is perfectly apt. Not only do we do those things, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. That's wrong. I don't remember Europeans counting coup in battle, do you? |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. There is plenty of historical documentation of Native Americans.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. The Europeans did all of that and worse and more and brought |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. No, they were basically the equivalent. Violent torture to the point of death... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Counting coup is not torture or death. n/t |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Nor is it even remotely relevant to what we're talking about. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Of course it is. Counting coup is much less violence than tasing |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. We're discussing relative torture. Counting coup has nothing to do... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. Nope. You say you were talking about captives. |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. It's also obviously irrelevant. We're done here. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Translation: If you disallow our violence and don't count native practices |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Question, what's the point of this argument? |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Ding! Ding! We have a winner. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. The poster asserted a claim that native people were far more brutal |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
92. word |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
119. You mean all those "captives" |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-14-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Why? Did you have some others in mind? |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-14-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. There were no other "captives". |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-14-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Go read some history. Native Americans were frequently.... |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-14-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. The OP used the term "WHITE" |
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Beer on a stick (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-14-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. So what? I wasn't addressing that, but rather a tangetial point. |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-14-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. You deserve to be on my Ignore list |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. read the full article. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
8. It's our national religion |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. Drew the attention of somebody who unrec'd! |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
12. A friend of mine used to say . . . |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
77. Succinct. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. homo sapiens has always been a species of violence |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Violence is a product of empire. We're just the last in a long line. |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
61. True, and like many other nations, we try to separate ourselves from the fact . |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
83. Modern Germany has renounced the violence and criminality of WW II. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Considering that if they didn't, they'd be shunned to this day, they really didn't have a choice |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #95 |
112. Anything Nazi is not tolerated in Germany now, unlike here in the U.S. |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #83 |
115. Modern Germany only renounces the violence and criminality of WWII |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
111. that's not what Krugman wrote |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Our personal violence is not better than most countries. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
54. We're a violent nation? Well knock me down. That must mean we're human. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
69. What country hasn't? |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
73. "...as American as cherry pie" |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
74. I personally, blame Mott the Hoople |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
80. It's a shame we can't leave the earth to the animals. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
89. I'll add just one thing... it is not only a violent country |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Ignorant, for damn sure! n/t |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
93. When you said "mobs of white folks" I immediately thought "imagine if they were black" |
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AnnInLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
94. Doesn't mean it's a GOOD thing! |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #94 |
114. Did you read the essay? Nobody said it was a good thing. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #94 |
116. Read the essay but I will sum for you the main theses |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-14-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
122. What other country has rockets and bombs in it's national anthem? |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-14-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. I haven't sung The Star Spangled Banner for years. It's sad. |
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