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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:02 PM
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Trying to "find" myself
I thought of putting this in the religion forum, but I thought GD would be a better place to post.

I will be 48, and like a lot of people, I am going through a phase in my life where I am seeking some answers to very important life questions. I guess you could say I am trying to becoming more spiritual, and I really need to find some meaning behind my life and why I have been here.

I was raised Lutheran, but I never got anything out of that experience. I stopped attending church a couple of years ago because I found the whole experience trying. My wife still goes, and she takes my children. My wife is a good liberal, and she appreciates the spiritual experience she gets from attending church and teaching children's Sunday school. I am very happy for her, and she (imo) personifies the true meaning of Christianity.

I generally scoff at organized religion. My wife always would tell me that I needed to pursue some sort of spiritual quest - that it would be healthy for me. This summer I took her advice, and I visited the Hare Krishna temple in Dallas.

I first had a very delicious vegeterian meal at the restaurant located within the temple. The restaurant has had rave reviews in Dallas, and I could see why. I ate a delicious potato and green bean mix that was to die for, and I'm not a big veggie guy.

Anyway, I headed to the temple and I met a young man who called himself a monk. He was an incredibly intelligent, thoughtful young man. We talked, and I asked questions and he answered them. I told him about the stresses of my work, and he gave me tips on how to handle things. Most importantly, he stated how unimportant the material world is, and that we should concentrate on our spiritual consciousness. We talked about the founder of the ISKCON who had introduced the Krishna movement to the west, Srila Prabhupada. We talked about his Prabhupada's journey to America, and how he had personally intiated the temple in 1972. I was given a couple of books by him. I left and began to read.

I was really intrigued by Prabhupada's writings and lectures. Again, denying the material world and learning about your inner self was highlighted. Your body is just a resting place for your spirit - your spirit will continue to live, long after the physical body is gone. Practicing good karma enriches your spiritual quest. And to get in touch with God and to "deal" with the everyday stresses of the material world, you need to chant:

Hare Krisna, Hare Krishna
Krishna, Krishna
Hare, Hare
Hare Rama, Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare

I went again and met a person who called himself the priest of the temple. He was very polite, and told me that reading 10 minutes in the morning, and the same passage ten minutes at night would help with stress. He gave me a book by Prabhupada to read during these times. He also talked to me about chanting, and invited me to the Janmashtami (birth of Krishna) celebration at the temple tonight. I told him I would be there.

I liked the way in which there was nothing at all judgmental about the faith. Krishna's respect the various names of God - whether it's Jehovah, Allah, Jesus, etc. They simply want people to live a more spiritual life. Which leads to what has just happened to me.

I told one of my Christian friends here at work (and a big Republican) who has always been bugging me to seek something "bigger than myself." I just told her about what I was doing, and I was ready to hear a "good job" and "that's so wonderful." Instead, she started on how there was only one God, that being, of course, her God. I told her that the movement recognized other beliefs and recognized the name of the lord in other religions, including her Christ. Well, she said, that's not right, because there's "one God." Apparently, I'm still going about it the wrong way. So, I kind of turned tail and ran.

Anyway, my feelings are a little hurt, but in my part of the world, what can one do? I won't stop bigots from trying to stop me from learning new things. I will go to the celebration tonight and chant. Chant, and be happy.

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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:05 PM
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1. Well, it sounds to me
as if you've found a good spiritual home - at least for you and for now. That's a very good thing.

But I think many people simply cannot stretch enough to understand that it's entirely possible that God is revealed to different people in different ways - and that those different ways do nothing to undercut God's being.

So yes, chant and be happy!
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:06 PM
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2. there are a multitude of paths up the mountain to the peak...hope you find one that
works for you.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:09 PM
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3. well i think it sounds like you are doing what's right for YOU
screw your wingnut buddy, she prob. thinks a midlife crisis means you should cheat on your wife and abuse alcohol like everybody else at the baptist church

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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:16 PM
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11. LOL, I guess it's not that difficult guessing her affliation
Big time southern baptist. My step-father was one; one of the most evil, prejudiced person I had ever met.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:10 PM
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4. Just enjoy yourself
and your tentative steps to your own enlightenment.

There will be naysayers along the way, sometimes from (to you) very surprising quarters. Pay them no mind. If it brings you peace and is rewarding, then it's the right thing for you.

Most conservative Christians are very biggoted, Their version of god is the only thing that's important to them.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:10 PM
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5. I always wonder why people have to find spirituality in
organized religions...

I mean, isn't it possible to find spiritual meaning on one's own?

I'm not religious in any way, yet I feel I have a strong spritual bond with much of the natural world. I can feel a "higher power" in the wind...the sound of it, the feel of it on my skin and in my hair.

I sit out by my pond and feel at peace with myself and the world just watching the frogs and fish for a while.

Just a couple of examples...all these things were put here for us to appreciate and enjoy.

I guess if I absolutely had to classify my "religion", it would be something like Native American Spiritualism. I don't need a priest or Holy Man to tell me what's important...I feel like I already know, somewhere in my soul...

:)

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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:18 PM
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13. yes, like remembering when Kennedy was killed, I recall my most spiritual moment
and it was sweeping my patio..nothing as intense as watching nature, just being natural..and it was like I was attuned to the universe...if it could have lasted forever I would have been happy..but I was truly ecstatic for about 10 minutes .. ecstatic not in the excited kind of way, but a very peaceful, calm, 'we are one' moment.
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:18 PM
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14. Ah yes, organized religions, where they think they have convert you.
I wouldn't worry about. If she is that petty and hard-hearted, who wants to discuss a different spiritual path with her? Sometimes people like that lessen the real meaning behind the dicussion.
Just be amenable to her, and leave it that.

One job I had, the Pentecostals worked so hard on me, that finally I started bring my Pagan books to read at work. They left me alone after that, though one girl borrowed "The Mists of Avalon" from me, and little by little, she started wearing makeup, rolling her sleeves up on her shirt, skirts got shorter.

"We are the people your parents warned you about" :evilgrin:
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:25 PM
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20. Yes, I didn't want to argue with her
That's what she wanted, and I wasn't going to waste my time. How I feel about things is important. I should not let it get to me. But I have to say, I was disappointed in her response.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:19 PM
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15. That's beautiful, and so true
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:24 PM
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19.  much of Native American reigion/s is based on community


then there are the times for "vision quests", spiritual solitude and inner searching,

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:10 PM
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6. Learn to embrace the spiritual void, I say.
It's an impossibly gigantic universe out there, we are mere specks upon an infinite plane, and we are utterly, utterly alone.


Have a nice day! :hi:
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:11 PM
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7. I'm so happy for your positive experiences at the temple.
Your coworker, of course, being a member of one of the Big Three "of the book," can not and will not acknowledge that your path is a holy one. It's just part of the nature of each of the Abrahamic religions to be exclusionary, even of each other.

Continue your quest as the spirit leads you and ignore those who, in their ignorance, censure you.

May your journey be joyous and blessed.

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:12 PM
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8. I read the book "Chant and be happy"
it is a krishna guide with stories about the Beatles exploring the hare krishna religion.

I'm a Catholic but occasionally attend a Japanese buddhist chant circle.

I've chanted the hare krishna chant before.
I've chanted the OM MANI PADME HUM chant before.
I've chanted the NAMO RAKIO chant before (I don't know the spelling of this Japanese buddhist chant).

Recently I saw the Woody Allen + Larry David movie Whatever Works.

I think you should do whatever works.

There is one God. As I say to my right wing faux Christian associates, "Insha'Allah." (as God wills).

Chant and be happy my friend.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:15 PM
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10. Yes, that's one of the three books I have read
A nice little work that is a great introduction to the movement. And I tell ya, my respect for George Harrison grows more and more each day. He was an incredibly enlightened person. Prabhupada appreciated George's work for the movement very much. George really gave it a big boost in the popular, western world.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:31 PM
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Nice
ya should try the other chants just for fun..
I also use a Christian version of the hare chant -
Holy Christ, Holy Christ
Christ, Christ,
Holy, Holy.
Holy Lord, Holy Lord,
Lord, Lord,
Holy, Holy.

But I'm silly like that,,,

peace and low stress and keep on keepin on!
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:15 PM
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9. I love a well written story like this. Your "friend" could be considered
an "obstacle in your path" to what you are looking for. Find joy in what you have found and ignore the side chatter. Chant loud and clear..He/She will hear you....
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:17 PM
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12. Anything that is organized is organized by men who say they know from God. So in my opinion a
organzied religion is human's interpretation of who or what God is. It's okay what you believe just make sure it is from within you and not influenced by other men. Spirituality is not from man but from spirit.

Each one believe what you want just don't try to inflict it on others as most religions of today do. They have been told they must seek and tell to make join. More followers, more money, more power for humans. Not my cup of tea and I have been around those blocks before.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:22 PM
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16. I would guess your Christian friend not only wants you to become
a Christian, but wants you to become her particular flavor of Christian.
Anything less will be sniffed at, and imo she's not worth your time.

The "_____is the One True Faith" people are best left behind you on your path.
For many years now I have just nodded and smiled at them, and gone my own way.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:26 PM
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21. Yes, exactly
I'm sure she would also tell you that Roman Catholics are going to hell.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:23 PM
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17. Don't vanity posts go inthe lounge?
:shrug:
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:27 PM
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22. Dunno. Why don't you go check?
The rest of us will stay here and have a conversation.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:31 PM
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23. I believe I am in the minority
as few seem to miss the days when the lounge was the lounge and the rest of this political discussion board was for politics.

Julie
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:24 PM
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18. it is all within. religion is "without" outside of self.
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 02:24 PM by seabeyond
i have a couple good books, one... 4 agreements by ruiz and another ... seat of the soul by zukav. easy and fast to read.

about 2000 i started on a spiritual journey. i listened to self, and did a lot of reading and listening to others. lots of meditation. working the three elements, body, mind and spirit. bringing to one.

lots and lots out there to explore. it is each of our trip, individually. all doing uniquely.

good luck and have fun with it. it is there if you want it.

(i dont talk about this part of my life, at all on du, btw, lol)

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didact Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:37 PM
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24. Why feel hurt?
I seem to be going down the same road as you. All the luck in your search, we all succeed in the end.

Someone told me something I thought was valuable, you may or may not, but they said "it is not in your interest to accept human intervention/advisers/salesmen between you and the Divine."

May you bask in the Love and the Light of our One Infinite Creator.

Namasté
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:42 PM
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25. I guess I shouldn't feel hurt, should I?
I shouldn't have to seek her approval at all. I guess I was just wanting to share my experience, and it got turned around. But I really shouldn't let it get to me.
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didact Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:04 AM
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26. No problem...
I'm glad you shared, it's good to know others are going what I'm experiencing.
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