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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:36 AM Original message |
A U.S.-Iran war scenario. |
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C_U_L8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. I fear it will be a lot worse than that |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
2. the $64,000 question remains . . . |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I wished they would do something. |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
47. The same reason |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
4. Good points and a nom |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
5. you probably have it about right |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The number of deaths and injuries would be very high. |
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GreenZoneLT (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
7. You really underestimate U.S. air power |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Don't undrestimate Iran's military either. |
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GreenZoneLT (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Lot of ifs there. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. The Iranian Navy is more formidable than you think because of these: |
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GreenZoneLT (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Look, guys, I KNOW about Iran's capabilities |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. At it's widest point, the Gulf is only about 220 miles across. |
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GreenZoneLT (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Have you ever been on a USN ship in the Gulf? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Everything inside the Gulf at the start of a war would be effectively locked in. |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Iran will not starve |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Like I said before Iran will have allies in Russia and China |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. And you forgot to mention |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. At close range, against multiple incoming ASM, they don't work well. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
9. Factor in hundreds of CBW and anti-ship missiles that Iran has to use or lose. |
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GreenZoneLT (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I wasn't aware they could reach Israel |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. The Shahab-3 has adequate range. eom |
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GreenZoneLT (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Ah. I stand corrected. But they have, what, 20 of them? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. We don't know exactly how many. Improved Shabab 3 first test-fired in 2004. |
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GreenZoneLT (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I read it when it came out. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. MIRV technology has been around for 40 years. Is it impossible? |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. sorry leveymg, you got the payload stuff wrong. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. What's an effective payload for a bio warhead? |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. surprisingly small, a couple of kilos (if that) - the real problem is dispersal |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. The point is area denial, not killing everyone immediately at the target |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. but it can't reach the coast, it can barely reach Israel |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #18 |
33. Re: SS9-type warhead - SS9 much larger than Shahab-3, |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. it can reach an area the size of a football field inside Israel's 67 borders |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Iran has one of the world's largest chemical weapons stocks. |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. so has Iraq according to your data (same link) |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. So gla d Raygun won the cold war... things are so much |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
10. ffs not another Iran scaremongering thread! can't we all go back to Edward's McMansion bashing |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. The Edwards house nonsense is a distraction from the scandal about his Iran War comments |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #10 |
39. Then why are there so many new military bases in Iraq? |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. You mean the 14 permanent ones that were planned in 2001? |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. They were planned before then, back in the 1990s - PNAC |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I tthnk the Ike should be relieved by one of the groups going out |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
26. Bottomline: Bush will have started his Iran war as he exits and leaves to next Prtesident while |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. A Republican or a DLC President will keep the war going. |
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Liberalboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
32. In your scenerio... |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Israel could play into the mix but it's hard to say how they will play in. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
37. You watch. It'll be: "A Series of Unfortunate Events".... |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Maybe it will be a Gulf of Tonkin situation. |
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Unperson (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
45. Could force pro-jihadist coups in Pakistan and Indonesia. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Not just in those countries but in most countries friendly to the West. |
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