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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 06:48 AM
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Bush claims he didn't know Iraq tours were to be extended when he blamed Democrats
Edited on Fri Apr-13-07 06:48 AM by bigtree
Friday, April 13, 2007 3:40 AM

Bush didn't know Iraq tours were to be extended?

WASHINGTON -- When President Bush said this week that the Democrats' push for troop withdrawals could cause longer tours of duty for soldiers in Iraq, he was unaware that his defense secretary already had decided to extend those tours, the White House said yesterday.

Bush's comments Tuesday about troop deployments were part of his offensive against Democrats, who are insisting on setting troop withdrawal timetables, a move he blames for delaying emergency funding for U.S. troops in Iraq.

"The bottom line is this," Bush said at an American Legion post in Virginia. "Congress' failure to fund our troops will mean that some of our military families could wait longer for their loved ones to return from the front lines."

He said that would be "unacceptable to me, it's unacceptable to our veterans, it's unacceptable to our military families and it's unacceptable to many in this country."

On Wednesday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Peter Pace announced that the current 12-month tours of duty in Iraq are being extended to 15 months.

"I'm not aware that the president knew that Secretary Gates had come to any decisions," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said, insisting that Bush had been "absolutely straightforward" in his comments Tuesday.

She said the White House has known "for a while" that Gates was considering deployment changes.

http://www.dispatch.com/dispatch/content/national_world/stories/2007/04/13/Bush_troops_COX.ART_ART_04-13-07_A5_UP6CEEO.html


here's the exchange with Perino on this yesterday:

Q Dana, on the supplemental, on Tuesday the President said that because the Democrats have not gotten this in yet -- "The failure to fund our troops will mean some of our military families could wait longer for their loved ones to return from the front lines, others could see their loved ones headed back to war sooner." Why did the President mention -- this is a day before his own Pentagon is going to announce that, actually, those loved ones are going to stay in harm's way longer. And he clearly had to know that this policy was going to take place, that the deployments were going to be stretched from 12 months to 15 months. So why did he tell the American Legion that people would be staying in Iraq longer because of the Democrats, when his own Pentagon, 24 hours later, was going to keep people there longer?

MS. PERINO: Well, one, I don't know if the President knew about the -- the meeting -- remember, yesterday morning is when Secretary Gates came and talked to the President. But also, Secretary Gates was talking about a longer-term policy, to make sure that the dwell times are going to be long enough so that we can keep our troops refreshed and get them time with their family. The long-term goal, ultimate goal is to have for active duty one year deployed with two years off, and then for reservists, one year on and five years off.

We have never said that if we got the money immediately tomorrow, that folks would be able to have just a 12-year deployment and a 12-year dwell time.*** Every day that we don't get the money is one that, as Secretary Gates and General Pace have said, creates problems in terms of the training. And so by piecemeal, you see some troops have been there for 16 months, and that's what we're trying to avoid.

Q Is that really the first time the President -- it's a pretty big policy, to keep people in Iraq three months longer --

MS. PERINO: No, I think that we've known for a while --

Q -- he just heard about it yesterday morning?

MS. PERINO: I think we've known for a while that Secretary Gates was trying to figure out a way to make sure that we can alleviate this problem of having longer deployments, or troops being deployed for a longer period of time. And one of the things that he did yesterday was to say that we need more certainty for the troops. And I talked to the President about that this morning, that having more certainty for a military family to plan ahead is something that is probably priceless. I can't imagine what it's like for a youngster, when three months seems like five years, that their parent isn't going to be home.

So the point was that the end strength of the Army and of the Marines is going to be expanded. But until we get there, there are going to be these 15 -- what Secretary Gates wanted to do was give people more time to plan, because what's been happening is that you have people out there for 12 months, and then you extend them by another month, and another month, and another month. And that's quite disruptive to the troops and their families.

Q But if the President really wants certainty for the families, he had an opportunity before the American Legion, a highly respected veterans organization, to say, you know what, for certainty's sake for these families, tomorrow we're going to announce a pretty big change. They're going to stay in harm's way longer. Why wasn't he straightforward with the American Legion about his own policy?

MS. PERINO: I think the President was absolutely straightforward. And remember, I don't -- I know that Secretary Gates came and talked to the President yesterday morning, so that speech you're talking about was last Tuesday. We've known for a while that we're going to have to --

Q Two days ago, the speech.

MS. PERINO: Yes, two days ago, right.

Q And so the President didn't know about his own policy until Wednesday?

MS. PERINO: I'm not aware that the President knew that there was going to be -- that Secretary Gates had come to any decisions. But we did know that people, one, needed more certainty, because that had been a complaint and that's one that we had heard about; and two, we need to make sure that we can get the money for the troops so that the readiness issue, the training issue -- because if the troops here can't be trained, which is one of the issues that Gates and Pace said is a problem of not having the money now -- if they can't be trained, then you can't get the fresh troops out in the field. And that means that the people who are there have to stay longer.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070412-5.html


I predict that Perino is going to set a record for lies told from that podium; and that's a pretty big accomplishment in this administration


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/bigtree
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 06:50 AM
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1. what a liar
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 06:52 AM
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2. Q: How can you tell he's lying
A: If his lips are moving-he's lying. He's a congenital liar-he can't help himself. He'll lie even when the truth would serve him better because lying is the only thing he knows how to do.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:32 AM
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18. Bingo n/t
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 06:56 AM
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3. MS. PERINO: I think the President was absolutely straightforward.


:puke:
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:10 AM
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10. Look At How Hard She Is Straining Her Muscles To Keep From
Laughing at her own little joke.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:31 PM
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35. so it is "unacceptable" for dems to do it (which they weren't anyway), but it is ok for Bush to
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 06:56 AM
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4. he can`t hide
secretary makes recommendations then he decides. it`s his decision,not the congress or the military. he can`t hide behind his mother anymore-it`s his decision and he has to face the consequences
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 06:58 AM
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5. Dammit...
The Constitution says that the POTUS is commander-in-chief, not the SecDef. Gates CAN'T "decide" to extend tours...he can only SUGGEST to the CinC.

Bush is a lazy bastard who wants to always shift blame.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:34 AM
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20. He's always been that.
Bush is a lazy bastard who wants to always shift blame.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 06:59 AM
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6. "I didn't know because I was AWOL. As usual." - Commander AWOL
Edited on Fri Apr-13-07 07:00 AM by SpiralHawk
"You were expecting the truth from a republicon? Bwaaa ha ha ha.
Smirk, smirk, smirk" - Commander AWOL

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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 06:59 AM
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7. The only Americans that are gonna swallow the swill that
Edited on Fri Apr-13-07 06:59 AM by mohinoaklawnillinois
Dana the Dumbass was selling about this yesterday are the "backwash" or the base of the Republic Party. This so called "explanation" that she gave yesterday was laughable on its' face, just as is everything that comes out of her mouth.
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irish.lambchop Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:03 AM
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8. His sec of defense didn't communicate
with him?? So gates woke up Wednesday morning, decided on a whim to extend troop tours, and then went his merry way without informing bush - give us all a break, dana!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:06 AM
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9. Item #210,320,752
on the list of things Bush doesn't know.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:10 AM
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11. So he's not the decider? Dang. nt
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:10 AM
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12. Let's see. What could be the explanation.
1. He's lying like a cheap rug.

2. He's totally delusional.

3. He's in the early stages of senility and can't remember what he had for breakfast, let alone major policy decisions.

4. Presidenting is hard work and he's shirking his responsibilities again.

5. It's Bill Clinton's fault.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:36 AM
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21. 6. They forgot to update their talking points. n/t
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 08:34 AM
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29. Thank you.
7. It could be the truth because who wants to talk to the idiot.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:13 AM
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13. If he didn't that is further proof of his incompetence
How can he not have been at the very least briefed on something as big as this and not remember?
He needs to be removed from power before he causes any further harm to the republic
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:58 AM
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25. Right on. As if we needed any. nt
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:13 AM
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14. I Want The Next Poll CNN or MSNBC Does To Be
Are you sick of the pResident's smirks and snickers?

Bet they get 80% to 90%: Hell Yes!
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:14 AM
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15. Plausible deniability: I didn't know this was supposed to be my job!
Edited on Fri Apr-13-07 07:15 AM by The Count
And you know what? I believe him - for a change.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:15 AM
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16. Sociopaths always blame someone else for their destructive
actions and decisions.

It's their MO.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:21 AM
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17. ugh, she paints the extension as a a "priceless"-but sez 3 mos feels like 5 years. FUCKING IDIOTS.
tryimg to paint this as a gift or courtesy to the troops.
what liars bush was fed this line. he is fed every line he spews. ick.
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:32 AM
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19. My nephew who was deployed to Iraq March 20, 2007 was told in January...
that his deployment could last up to 18 months. It would seem that everyone in the current administration is lying.
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:50 AM
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22. They were forced to announce this early...
and I'm wondering if the plan was to hold back the announcement until the budget was vetoed, then loudly blame the Dems.

From transcript of Gates' announcement:

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=3928

In terms of why we're announcing it simultaneously with the unit commanders, I'll be very blunt. Some very thoughtless person in this building made the unilateral decision yesterday to deny the Army the opportunity to notify unit commanders who could then talk to their troops 48 hours before we made a public announcement. And I can't tell you how angry it makes many of us that one individual would create potentially so much hardship not only for our service men and women, but their families, by giving -- by letting them read about something like this in the newspapers.


Who was the thoughtless person?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:50 AM
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23. great catch!!!
perfect.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:37 PM
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37. Interesting. Good catch. n/t
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:58 AM
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24. He is a clueless liar n/t
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:58 AM
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26. Don't worry, she will be gone soon.
She just hasn't been diagnosed with cancer yet. It's like deleting emails, delete the spokesperson too.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 08:10 AM
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27. "12-YEAR deployment"!!
Can you say 'Freudian Slip'?? Can you say PERMANENT OCCUPATION of Iraq? These people really aren't thinking in terms of months; they're planning in terms of YEARS.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 10:17 AM
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30. she's a very loquacious liar
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 08:28 AM
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28. He's the CIC so he damn well should know.
IMO, they just wanted to set it all up to pin extended duty tours on the Dems but they got busted.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 11:35 AM
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31. He's got a million of those jokers up his sleeve...
whever he gets called on something he claims he didn't know. So which it chimpy, are you the fully in charge decider in chief, or are you the moronic puppet who doesn't know anything?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:27 PM
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33. he's oriented to whatever political agenda is put in front of him to mouth
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 12:06 PM
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32. HuffPo account
Bush Accuses Democrats Of Extending Troops - Right Before He Does

I'm not positive about this, but I think it's possible that the reporters at the daily White House press briefing -- and who are not named Helen Thomas, who never lets up -- are beginning to realize that they're reporting in a place rife with lies and inconsistencies and on people who insult their intelligence on a daily basis.

Dana Perino is filling in for Bush Spokesman Tony Snow and, while she may be somewhat new at handling the White House's main propaganda platform, I have to say that she can weasel right up there with the likes of Snow and our all-time favorite Bush apologist, Scott "The Lyin' King" McClellan.

But she was hit yesterday by a persistent reporter who looked under the hood of George W. Bush going before a group of Veterans and claiming Democrats were playing politics that may extend the tours of some troops in Iraq -- when King George already knew that he was going to announce within 24 hours his administration extending the tours of almost every soldier serving there.

So, Bush was accusing Democrats of possibly doing what he already knew he was about to do. Yes, it's bizarro world, folks.

Of course, when Bush made this statement he already knew that this was not actually the likely result of Democratic efforts to bring the war to an end and he knew that it was he who was going to extend the time of almost every soldier in Iraq -- in other words, he lied to and misled the Vets he was talking to.

And the press actually caught it.

Obviously it's not big news that Bush lied and distorted again... But the question is, now that they've removed from their own arsenal the bogus charge that Democrats are going to extend the troops in Iraq, what will Republicans think of next as their twisted rationale of supporting the troops by keeping them under fire in Iraq forever?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-geiger/bush-accuses-democrats-of_b_45774.html
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:30 PM
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34. I pointed that out yesterday
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:32 PM
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36. so it is "unacceptable" for dems to do it (which they weren't anyway), but it is ok for Bush to
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:37 PM
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38. all he has to do is accept the funds they are offering
along with accepting the will of Congress and the American people that he withdraw
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:40 PM
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39. The war president who doesn't have a clue what's going on with the war.
Why should he worry his "beautiful mind" with war? asshole
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