Michael Savage is TOAST.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

My 'Conservative-Independant" boss listens to the SavageRageMonkey and loves to bait me into debates about his credentials, theories and tirades. Today was spent in a detailed debate over his credentials, and his 'theories' on "rag-heads" and "illegals"...

I was listening to Sam Seders last show tonight(good send-off show, but the whoring for sympathy/Sam-hype got on my nerves) and a caller specifically mentioned Savage as one of the worst hate-spewers out there....

My roomie is doing a paper on "Rhetoric" and required class reading includes one full page using Savage as an example of the worse kink of hate-baiter.


Ladies and Gentlemen...






The Wiener-Worm is turning.


:evilgrin:

[Erika]

1. His insane rants against the gays are worst

He is cruel and sadistic.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

oh yes... the Homosexual Mafia

that came up today too. :evilgrin:

[Mabus]

7. I just don't get it

Why does a person's sexuality single them out for hate? It makes no sense at all. People are people. Life is hard enough without having a person's sexuality held against them.

People who spew hatred toward the GLBT community, like Savage, don't deserve to be on the radio. Personally I don't believe they should be on earth either but that's just me. :evilgrin:

[WCGreen]

13. It's a power thing with these people....

The only way they seem to be able to legitimize themselves in their own pathetic minds is to dengrate others

[TheWraith]

15. Yup. It's the classic bully syndrome.

Because they're inherently insecure about themselves and their own worth, they bury it under layers of meanness, hatred, and spite, then channel all that energy against some target they blame for all that's wrong in the world. Maybe it's gays, blacks, jews, the government, immigrants, the media, the rich, the poor, who knows. The target doesn't really matter, because it's not really about the target. It's about how they get to feel good in their self-rightous hatred.

[Mabus]

16. It's just sick

and it has no place in a decent society. I do understand why they do it and I agree that it is a power thing. They feel they have so little of it that they act out in bizarre ways that make them feel better about themselves at the expense of innocent others. I'm a in my mid-40's and I grew up a multiracial in the 60's in Oklahoma. Outside of my family, there were no other minorities at my school until I hit middle school in 6th grade. I've seen the brunt of their irrational anger before. It isn't pretty.

I just find the RW obsession to denigrate whole groups of people repulsive. Having it on the air waves only helps to perpetuate and legitimize the hatred. I remember when I lived on a farm in south central Kansas. The only radio I could pick up out in the fields in the tractor most of the time was the talking heads stuff. I heard Paul Harvey every frigging day because it was the one station that was crisp enough to hear without static so I could turn it up enough to hear over the farm equipment's engines.

[femrap]

35. Savage doth protest too much.....

he's starting to discover that his closet is becoming a little too uncomfortable.

[ronnykmarshall]

20. I'm suprised he can get a table in any resturant in SF.

I'd hate to have to serve that piece of cow shit.

[alfredo]

40. No telling what happens to his food before it arrives at his table.

[Clark2008]

42. And, what's worse - if the rumors into Weiner's personal life

are to be believed - then he's a self-hating bisexual.

Why do people do this? Why do they berate a lifestyle in which they participate? How does one justify this separation of one's own lifestyle versus what they say in public? Like Ted Haggard, for example. I simply don't see how one can be so blatantly hypocritical.

I don't know if Wiener's bisexual for sure - and, wouldn't care one whit if he was - as long as he doesn't bash people for the very thing he MAY be doing.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. One can only hope.

n/t

[anti-everything]

3. Unfortunately,

his advertisers don't seem to be deterred by his hate speech.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

5. So we can write them, and bitch and moan and weep and snivel

just like the Talibornigan has been doing for the last few years.


It can't hurt. :evilgrin:

[anti-everything]

8. But then I'd have to get off the couch.

:rofl:

[Erika]

9. Hey, I just bitched to the local carrier of his program

It's got to start somewhere.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

10. Thank you!

:hug:

[Cha]

43. That's a pretty

gold star!

[Mabus]

4. He shouldn't be on the air

I listened to part of his show a few years ago when I was headed through the Dakotas. It was full of hate and misinformation. It was sad. Just plain sad that it was on the air at all. I finally woke up my husband and he got him to put on a CD.

[Jack Sprat]

6. Michael Savage and Charles Manson

share many of the same values. These two have so much in common that is does seem a shame that prison bars should keep them apart. :evilgrin:

[garybeck]

11. I agree he sucks, but I don't see your theory about why he's toast.

Why do you think he's toast?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

18. well, since this whole Imus thing has happened

and the conversation has turned to "what do we do about these other hate-spewers" his name is the one that comes up most often.

that, and the fact that I put a voodoo curse on him. :evilgrin:

[garybeck]

44. Imus was not the worst. He was picked out for reason.

If this were a matter of principle, Savage would go well before Imus. So don't hold your breath until Savage is gone. He's still the bread and butter for spewing hatred and anger whic often turns into Republican votes.

[The Gunslinger]

47. He is going nowhere

and neither are the other usual hate mongers. Rosie and Keith Olberman they better watch out though. Their right wing sponsors will pull an Imus on them as soon as there is a reason to. Its the right wing corporations that got Imus fired and not anyone else. Now they know they have even more power.

[Connie_Corleone]

12. It wouldn't surprise me if Savage was next.

That thing is just filled with hate.

[DRoseDARs]

14. He'll play the "Oppressed Christian" card if he's targetted. n/t

[riverdeep]

17. He did get dropped by his publicist not long ago.

His publicist also handles Mellisa Etheridge and after he said something like lesbians raising kids make him sick, they said buh-bye. It was only like a three day relationship anyway. I think he's actually mentally ill. Like a slightly saner version of Gigi Allen.

[barronvonsloat]

19. "start something"

Do not listen to him if you do not like him There is no need to " start something" You would not be able to even if you wanted to. Just because you think it is hate does not make it so.One more thread with out one valid point.

[Strelnikov_]

23. Yea, it's not like the hate propaganda in 30's Germany and early 90's Rwanda

led to anything.

[barronvonsloat]

26. what

We are talking about a free society when you silence voices YOU do not like you have just created Germany on the 30's. Let the free market solve this. I think you are underestimating Savages audience. He pulls a very large number. This will make your attempt to silence him much harder. You argument is the exact opposite of liberal ideology.

[Strelnikov_]

28. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech on the public airwaves

That said, if the right wing gasbags want to compete fairly on a level playing field, so be it.

Thing is, there is no level playing field today. AM right radio that currently dominates the airwaves is the wholly owned propaganda subsidiary of the oligarchs that run the criminal enterprise that is the GOP. Their massive funding advantage and entrenched position prevents dissenting voices, in any critical mass, from entering the market.

And if someone thinks right radio is not one of the most important propaganda tools they have, it is probably time to leave their comfy blue-state confines and travel around the country awhile. Because in the warrens of the working class here in fly-over country, among the 'Whats the matter with Kansas' crowd, right radio is pervasive, and the propaganda spewing forth from it is the primary reason for them voting against their best interests.

So, until there is a level playing field, the 'advertiser ban' is the only tool we have. Don't really care if it's 'liberal ideology' or not. The 20th century has enough examples of disaster when hate speech went unchallenged.


And as for Savage's 'numbers', so what, bring the whack jobs on.

[barronvonsloat]

30. massive funding advantage

so who is in charge of making the playing field far. There is plenty of money on the left to take care of the "massive funding advantage". of making the playing field fair.I agree about unchallenged hate speech. I just do not see Savage as unchallenged Hate speech.

[Strelnikov_]

39. "do not see Savage as unchallenged Hate speech"

Wiener:How could have such hatred in their hearts for people like myself ... how they will take the side of the Islamic extremists over the president and over the troops, how they will take the side of the enemy in virtually every interchange could only be answered with one statement: liberalism is a mental disorder, and I don't have the cure for it.

Not hate speech. Ok.

And, yes, there is enough money on the left to make a dent, if the left were not dominated by the 'Chamberlain' wing, of which I am NOT a member.

[riverdeep]

36. Michael, is that you?

For some reason you directed your comment at me, when I mentioned nothing whatsoever about starting something. Although I do commend you on your clairvoyance in knowing the limits of my abilities. You do happen to be correct in that I don't give a shit about the Wiener, and igore him. But if I or anyone else were to start a campaign against him, it wouldn't be at all inconsistent with liberal philosophy since boycotting sponsors, asking others to do so, etc. falls within the purview of capitalism. Ask the Southern Baptists.

I repeat, the guy is this close (holding fingers close) to becoming Gigi Allen. On George Soros:

"Hey George, let me tell you something, I don't have as much money as you. I have 50,000 times the influence that you do, you punk, lying, coward, Satanist, backstabbing freak. You're the people -- people like you give Jews a bad name, Soros. It's people like you who brought about the Holocaust, Soros. I stand by those words. I stand by those words. I would debate you tomorrow, Soros, on any platform, anywhere. I'll debate you anywhere. It's people like you who brought about the Holocaust, Soros. That's why I need you to shut your mouth and understand the damage you're doing to this world and to the Jewish people, George Soros."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200606130009

[rasputin1952]

21. I don't know anyone that listens to the Savage Wiener, I stomached it

for about 5 minutes one night while waiting for my son to get off of work, and he is one sad piece of crap.

My advice, first, don't listen to him; second, if in the off possibility you meet someone who actually listens to this windbag, just toss out the opposite of what was said, you will shutting him down instantatenously. He's insane and guided by nothing more than hatred and the pursuit of cash.

[barronvonsloat]

27. rasputin 1952 what depth

"just toss out the opposite of what was said, you will shutting him down" This is your problem listen to someone for 5 minutes then toss out he opposite Try working the word THINK into the mix. what you just described is rhetoric and talking points

[rasputin1952]

32. I gave this as much depth as it deserved. Shallow people like

Savage are not dependent upon depth, the go to the most shallow and base aspects of what they "discuss".

Why waste time and effort diputing what Savage says, it's tripe. I've read some of his diatribes, they are filled w/bile and should be treated as sucsh.

There may be a time or twon when he's said something viable, but I have not heard of such a thing happening.

Now, if you want to dissect everything he says, fine by me; personally, I find it a waste of time...:)

[Duncan Grant]

37. I'd be happy to "THINK" with you "neighbor". What position of Savage's would you like to defend?

Let's "THINK" together shall we? Or are you just on a suicide run?

[Midlodemocrat]

38. I can't understand what you wrote. Is that English?

:eyes:

[Strelnikov_]

22. "whoring for sympathy/Sam-hype" ??

???????

[Viva_La_Revolution]

45. His last show on Friday...

I think they went a little overboard saying 'goodbye'. I did love it when HR called in though! It was very touching. :)

[Rosemary2205]

24. Dream on

I'd love it if they were all Imus'd but I can't see Savage biting it. I think his sponsors and employers probably see public outcry as a plus rather than a minus.

[bluedog]

25. right..I think whom ever are going to just

attack the left wing hosts....just a feeling............The right wingers have mega money sponsors behind them.....alot of private backers.......they like what they hear........

and right now..any outrage over other hosts will just be looked at as "tit for tat" A revenge issue..........I believe this will go no where......

And shouldn't Sharpton and Jesse be meeting with the rap artists about now?.......Its been a few days since they said this has to stop.........so just where are the televised remarks on their meetings?............Or did they just drop that?

[Little Wing]

29. but he was funny on msnbc with his leather trenchcoat and riding crop

:rolf:

[Imagevision]

31. Savage got that first amendment - freedom of speech thing going that until

it's challenged they can call whoever what...

[mitchtv]

34. First amendment strawman

His rights last as long as his employer decides they last. You have no right to a radio show

[Kurovski]

33. K&R.

"Wiener-worm." :rofl:

[mwb970]

41. Are there transcripts of any of his shows?

If so, we could point them out to KO and others. I've never actually heard the guy. Maybe I could make it a little further into a transcript than if I were actually listening to him.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

46. Wiki has some of his most famous quotes,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage_(commentator)

but I haven't had the stomach to go look for actual transcripts.