Should Rosie be fired like Imus? DU this poll!

[wildbilln864]

Poll link

I say no! She isn't being racist, she's being patriotic! :banghead:

[Rex]

1. Link not working.

nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

2. I would love to vote but the link isn't working for me???? eom

[Donnachaidh]

3. SERVER not found? Check your link please?

Getting server not found screen.

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. Tried....Bad link. n/t

[asthmaticeog]

5. Get the "www" out of the link and it'll work.

[snacker]

6. The link isn't working.

I am sick and tired of Rosie being linked with people like Imus. I am beginning to wonder if she isn't the real target of all of this because of the way she speaks out against the Bush administration. Rosie continually reminds her viewers of the corruption and lies of this administration and hasn't been quiet in her calls for impeachment.

[MADem]

11. It was the insult to Asians--the Ching Chang Chong thing she did pretending to speak Chinese

that was problematic.

Hey, I have maintained that the only reason Imus got canned was because he is anti-war. Yep, his remarks were dreadful. But they weren't the worst he's ever said--of course, his really bad stuff back in the day when he was pro-Iraq War never got any attention from the media at all.

Frigging Limbaugh sang "Barack, the Magic Negro" in a minstrel voice last month, and no one said a fucking word about about THAT. Where's the outrage?

But hey, he's pro-war....

[INDIA]

7. Is this about the "ching chong" comment she made?

Yeah that was pretty bad/stupid. Not a fireable offense though, and I believe she apologized.

[Atman]

13. It was childish, but not intentionally trying to insult people, as with Imus

I don't have much love for Rosie. I was kinda stunned that she'd use such a tired cliche, but it was not in a context of trying to deliberately insult people. And she apologized.

BTW, don't anyone think for minute they want Rosie off the air for her "racist" comment. She's been out actively promoting the notion of 9/11 being an inside job. That's why some are trying to shut her up.

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[snacker]

15. Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking... n/t

[INDIA]

21. I agree with you.

She wasn't intentionally trying to denigrate Asians with her comment. Imus was intentionally trying to denigrate both women and blacks with his.

She can spout off all she wants about MIHOP, I just hope all the people watching are smart enough to realize the majority of it has been debunked. Unfortunately, the average American daytime TV viewer may have a tough time separating fact from fiction. MIHOP, of course, being the latter.

[wildbilln864]

26. I've seen nothing debunked yet...

about MIHOP! You're wrong IMHO! Only attempts to discredit those who demand the truth! No debunking can occur until it's finally investigated!

[INDIA]

32. "Nothing" debunked? That's not true.

Much like evolution, not everything from the day can be proven without a shadow of a doubt, but the majority of it has been debunked as pure fantasy.

Have you read the popular mechanics article? It was basically educated, experienced scientists and engineers vs. Dylan Avery. Guess who won that battle? There is a debate between the two groups on google video. It was a massacre, lol.

There's also a great video debunking "loose change" on google. It counters and discredits the entire movie.


I think South Park put it best.

Stan: But....who DID do 9/11 then?
Kyle: A bunch of pissed of Muslims, who do you think?
Hardly Boys: Yeah, what are you, retarded?
Everyone in room: HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!

[Atman]

33. POPULAR MECHANICS? Rupert Murdoch's top 9/11 Promotion Vehicle

There was an article posted about that just the other day here. Rupert uses PM more than FOX to promote the GOP agenda.

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[INDIA]

34. It's a science and engineering magazine. It's put together by scientists and engineers.

I'm sure at least some of those contributors are Democrats.

Give me a break. Not everything you disagree with is a Rove orchestrated conspiracy.

I can't think of one high profile, respected scientist, engineer or politician who buys into this crap. Unless you count Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell. I don't. Or the majority of the Arab world. They think the Jews did it.

Rosie O'Donnell said on The View that this was the first time that fire has ever melted steel, or something along those lines. I'm from Pittsburgh and I assure you that steel can be bended, broken, and melted from fire. It's basically why my city exists.

When Nancy Pelosi puts together a committee to investigate MIHOP, let me know.

[Atman]

37. It is Rupert Murdoch's baby, and has heavily promoted the war.

Check into it. Really.

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[INDIA]

39. If you can find a link to a Popular Mechanics article...

That "promoted" the war, or supported Bushcos foreign policy, I will eat my hat.


They have articles on weapons, aircraft etc, even specific military units occasionally. Why? Because it involves technology, science, and is usually an interesting read.

You'll find similar articles on DU, (V-22 Osprey debate going on in GD right now), that doesn't mean DU is promoting the war, that's ridiculous.

[INDIA]

48. Guess not. *Crickets Chirping* n/t

[Atman]

50. I'm not your errand boy.

You cited PM. I'm only pointing out that it's been one of Murdoch's #1 champions of the war. I don't need to waste my time posting for one who is already convinced it's not.

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[INDIA]

54. You accused PM of "heavily promoting" the war.

Burden of proof is on the accuser. Prove it. Any article will do.

[Forkboy]

82. In others words you couldn't find anything.

[northzax]

64. Rupert Murdoch owns Hearst Publishing?

wow, someone really should tell the Hearsts about this, here they are thinking they still own it.

[Atman]

66. You're right. My bad.

I was quoting something from recollection of a story I saw a couple of days ago, but unfortunately didn't bookmark. I know I read it correctly, so apparently my "source" wasn't much of a source. Sorry.

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[INDIA]

73. So will you admit you're wrong to me also?

Not to be vindictive or anything, but I was asking questions about your (now obviously) wrong facts, and you were rather short and rude with me, telling me how you aren't my errand boy, I'm espousing right wing pro war propaganda, etc. To put it bluntly, you were 100% wrong, and you were rude in the process.

An apology would probably be in order, but I won't hold my breath.

[Atman]

80. Trouble is, we're actually talking about different issues

Of course, being wrong about Murdoch owning PM doesn't make my statement about PM promoting the war wrong. Just who published the information. Hearst doesn't exactly have a stellar record when it comes to war propagandizing, you know (remember the Maine?).

And of course, you're still a bit off on your facts. I didn't "accuse you" of "espousing right wing propaganda." You offered up the right wing propaganda. You "espoused it" on your own. I, and others from whom you don't seem to be seeking an apology, merely pointed it out. The article you referenced -- the only article you referenced -- has been debunked many times.

No, don't hold your breath. I was never the slightest bit rude to you, I merely questioned your source. You might want to re-read the posts, maybe you can point out my "rude" comments. But I won't hold my breath, either.

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[madokie]

83. I've been reading it for years and yes they do promote the war

war toys and more war toys ever issue. Now that you've brought it to my attention I will let my subscription run out and not be
renewing it :-)

[crappyjazz]

43. Ben Chertoff, Chief Editor

if that name rings a bell at all, he is the cousin of Michael Chertoff, Homeland Security

[INDIA]

45. Gee, well that settles it.

On edit: No it doesn't. Can you find me a link to prove the two are cousins. I couldn't. And even accepting your assertions, I happen to have a cousin in jail in Texas. I don't beleive that makes me a criminal.

Also, the Rupert Murdoch claims are quite strange since the magazine is owned by the Hearst organization. I don't see where Murdoch factors into it.

[wildbilln864]

46. No it doesn't! That's the whole point.

No investigation=We don't really know! :banghead:

[SidDithers]

58. You're wrong...

From Ben Chertoff himself:

Here's the story, as best as I know: I'm not related to Michael Chertoff, at least in any way I can figure out. We might be distant relatives, 15 times removed, but then again, so might you and I. Bottom line is I've never met him, never communicated with him, and nobody I know in my family has ever met or communicated with him.

http://www.911myths.com/html/benjamin_chertoff.html

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Sid

[wildbilln864]

59. Maybe....

someone will research the family tree!? :shrug:

[SidDithers]

62. Why don't you get right on that...nt

Sid

[wildbilln864]

63. nah! I'll pass! nt/

[Atman]

65. Here is a quote I found while looking for the Murdoch link...

"Hence, Popular Mechanics - with its 25-year-old online editor and "senior" researcher Benjamin Chertoff who is the cousin of Michael Chertoff - exhibits this clear tendency not to focus on the science as might be expected for such a magazine. Rather, the staff are actively looking for straw men like the Danner hoax that can easily be debunked."

And interesting link, btw; not vouching for it, there's some weird stuff. But it did link the Chertoff's as related.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:jWX260Yo-RIJ:wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/09/popular-mechanics-crank-cant-admit.html+Rupert+Murdoch+Popular+Mechanics&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

[SidDithers]

67. Oh, there are lots of links that say they're related...

it's just that none of them are right.

Sid

[wildbilln864]

69. Indeed!

Lots that say they are and they're all wrong. One that says they're not and it's right! Go figure!

[SidDithers]

70. There's only one quoting Ben Chertoff...nt

Sid

[wildbilln864]

35. Popular Mechanics article?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You mean Ben Chertoff(possible cousin of Michael)'s speculative article? Debunked here. LINK

[INDIA]

38. If you buy me the book, I'll read it.

Otherwise I think I'll save my $13.60.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M

Dylan Avery throws a hissy fit when confronted with facts. You can watch this for free.

[wildbilln864]

41. Well, I really don't...

see how that proves anything about 911! Here's one for you to watch for free also! video link.
I can't take PM's word nor Rosie's nor Avery's without a real investigation! And we haven't had that!
Would you please support these ladies and sign this [link:www.petitiononline.com/july10/petition.html|petition link? Thanks!

[pampango]

79. You do realize that, intentionally or not, by mentioning MIHOP

you almost completely sidetracked this whole thread? The MIHOP contingent believes this with the fervor of a religious believer, so evidence and explanations will not get you far. They have their own citations and sources, as do the religious believers, that have answered all questions for them. ;)

[Manifestor_of_Light]

85. Skyscrapers don't fall down when they burn. WTC was built to withstand a 707 impact.

WTC 7 fell down into its own footprint with no fire present. Or a very minor fire.

Explain that one.

Buildings only collapse into their own footprint under controlled demolition conditions.

[pampango]

87. And seas don't part to allow Israelites to escape the pursuing

Egyptians, unless you believe that it did.

[wildbilln864]

8. Sorry guys, try this...

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/tv/articles/_a/after-imus-delay-calls-for-rosie-to-be/20070413103809990001

[Cha]

22. Looks like the majority

of aolers want Rosie fired and think the firings will continue.

I don't think so.

And who the fuck is tom delay to ask for anything from us? Lying, warmongering, cowardly indictedidiot.

[Hugin]

25. The total vote counts seem odd to me...

114+ thousand votes on the question of firing Rosie.
103+ thousand votes on the question of an impending witch hunt.

Why is there an 11+ thousand vote gap when the poll questions are next to each other?

It's odd.

[halobeam]

78. I didn't answer the second question

I didn't think it was a well written question. Maybe others did the same? jmo

[yurbud]

47. 68/32 reposting LINK since it was hard to find

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/tv/articles/_a/after-imus-delay-calls-for-rosie-to-be/20070413103809990001

[and-justice-for-all]

76. The pull needs DU'ed Hardcore folks....

..and it seems that when someone with commonsence gets some major air time, the dumbshits come out of the wood work like roaches.

All most like they are jealous that a 'progressive' is stealing the rethugs spotlight. The O'liely comment was rediculous, can I punch that clown?? PLEASE!!!! Delay, HAHAHAHA, worthless piece of shit that is and a CRIMINAL at that...LOSER.

"Rosie ruffled some feathers, including Rush Limbaugh's, when she said that "radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam." - Fuck you Rush, she is CORRECT. There is no difference between road side bombs and blowing up abortion clinics. Home grown Religious extremist pal, fuck off!

[otohara]

53. Yes, By All Means.... Do What The Indicted Tom Delay

has to say.

Why is he still given a platform to spew his garbage?

P.S. Gawd this country is full of dumb-asses based on the results of this poll.

[heidiho]

55. A Felon is calling for Rosie to be fired?

A man who has caused the suffering of women in the Marianna Islands and God only knows how many other crooked deals he has been in is calling for
someone to be fired???

[Vidar]

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[Donnachaidh]

16. do enjoy your stay on DU

It shouldn't be long :rofl:

[Spirochete]

20. Let me guess...

You'd like to see her replaced with, say, Ann Coulter?

[INDIA]

24. She's dynamite for ratings. I don't know where you get off saying she is "pulling" them down. nt

[MadBadger]

27. All may be true

But she has put THe View on the map more than ever this year. I may not agree with everything she says, but she is entitled to her opinion and her opinion is shared by many Americans. Tom Delay can go fuck himself.

[Jim Sagle]

36. Thank you for sucking. Buh-bye!

[Hugin]

10. How about if CNN fires Delay?

That'd be the sensible thing to do... But, well... CNN being the Corporate Media
they'll -NEVER- consider that option. :eyes:

[Cha]

12. link not working but it's up

to the Viewers.. if thousands of people call the show and the sponsers and ask for her head like they did imus' then she would be gone. I think Rosie Views are in the majority now.

Hell, msrnc fired Phil Donahue when he had good ratings..so go figure.

[Hugin]

14. Try the link on post #8.

;)

[Cha]

17. Thanks, Prag!~

:)

[Hugin]

19. Welcome, zidzi.

No problem, at all.

:)

[youngdem]

18. Her derogatory impersonation of an Asian man was every bit as bad as Imus

So, based on the new rules for media, she's exposed.

[MadBadger]

28. It wasnt

as bad as Imus.

[MH1]

30. Who gets to judge?

Actually, I didn't see the Rosie incident, so I can't measure that. But considering how much I've heard the n-word and the h-word used in everyday language, I don't find it unlikely that something Rosie said could be worse than what Imus said. For example, Limbaugh's attack on Parkinsons' patients was worse, but he still has his job. Naturally someone like Rosie is next on the list, not Limbaugh. Hmmm.

[Atman]

56. Rosie's wasn't as bad, and here's why...

Imus intended to insult the Rutgers players. He didn't have a joke, he wasn't making a point, he wasn't telling a story, he was simply ragging on them because they were women and supposedly black (they all weren't black). Imus's comments were part of a larger "bit" which was equally, if not more, offensive than the line that got him shitcanned.

Rosie, otoh, was making some dumbass statement about the Chinese people by doing a grade-school squinty-eyed "impersonation" and saying "ching chong ching chong." That's what she said. It was lame, it was insensitive, but I fail to see how it could possibly be considered worse -- or even as bad -- as what Imus did/said. Especially given their histories; he has a long one of doing this sort of thing, she doesn't. That alone mitigates it.

But MH1 brings up the more direct underlying problem, right in his subject line -- Who gets to judge? A government agency with a guide book expanding upon Carlin's seven dirty words? A preacher? A left-wing loonie, or an extremist wing-nut? A committee of same? When do we stop, when do we know when we've rooted out all the offensiveness from our language?

And who gets to judge?

.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. It's been freeped. 68% Yes 32% no It needs HELP!

Should Rosie be fired, as DeLay wants?
Yes, she says offensive things 68%
No, controversial is different than racist 32%
Total Votes: 114,358
Note on Poll Results

Will Imus' firing now create a witchhunt for talk show hosts?
Yes, this will continue 70%
No, it will pass 30%
Total Votes: 104,039
Note on Poll Results

[saracat]

29. Yup. Freeped big time. Who else would care what Delay says?

[wildbilln864]

31. I don't know why he's even given a forum to speak!

Fuck Tom(SaiPan) Delay!

[Madspirit]

40. I voted for Rosie!! n/t

[izzie]

42. If you do not like her turn off the station.

I used to do that with Imus when he had people I did not like or he talked bad. I do that with lots of people. You may have to turn in your teachers but hardly a radio talk person. Where my son works they made the 'Rush nut' wear ear phones but they still let him hear Rush as he worked. It is really a shock to hear we can not have people on radio and TV that we frankly do not like and say things we hate. I thought that all went with freedom of thought.

[wildbilln864]

44. Amen to that izzie! nt

[izzie]

77. Once I recall some nut in the govt. did not want Marx read.

Now I really thought that was so silly. I grew up in a very open minded home I guess. The odd part was that my family gave a good deal of money to the GOP. I do not recall any one that was not in that party. I have a friend my age and her family were the same and we talk about what happened to the GOP. I think they went with this group of nuts that want to run the party and jam their values at me and every one else. Not the party of my family at all.

[Raine]

49. It's open season

on everyone now. x(

[Frank Cannon]

51. That's actually kind of a good thing, isn't it?

I know you probably don't like the fact that Rosie might be put under the "hate speech" magnifying glass, but doesn't that put other asshats like Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter under it too?

[Raine]

52. It is but

I have a feeling we won't see someone like Coulter going down...but if only.

[Frank Cannon]

57. Annie may still get a pass from the MSM...

but at least it will be harder for them to do it. There are apparently a LOT of pissed-off people who will be looking for the double standard.

[Colobo]

61. She's not being neither racist nor patriotic

She's being a jerk.

[dysfunctional press]

68. Imus shouldn't have been fired like Imus.

nt.

[mondo joe]

71. Well, we have the new standard: people can be fired for saying things that offend.

I can't fathom how anyone would think this would be applied only to people who aren't progressives.

[dysfunctional press]

72. the new standard sucks.

and people are going to be sorry that they got what they asked for.

[Raine]

74. I think a new "can of worms"

has been opened up and there is going to be lots of trouble and lots of regret.

[donheld]

75. Delay is seeking revenge.

It's really ashame but we all know that's the way he and so many other conservatives are.

[Lilith Velkor]

81. She and Bill-O should have a good ol' Irish pub brawl

I'd pay money to see that.

[yurbud]

84. I think if it got down to a brawl, an eight year old girl in a wheelchair could kick O'Reilly's ass

He's only a bully in the sense that Bush is--because he knows he can have SOMEONE ELSE go kick your ass.

[Kerrytravelers]

86. DUne. In favor of Rosie staying!