Is anyone else outraged that Gonzo's testimony is postponed?

[NightWatcher]

I am sensitive to the shooting, but the hearings should have gone forward. We cannot put justice on hold because some people might watch a different news story. We have 500 channels and I know that CSPAN could cover the hearings. This administration lies everyday and also commits atrocities all over the world. So Pat wants to give them another day? I dont get it.

What if something happens on Thursday? Will we cancel it until there is a sunny day and no one has a bad day?

I am sorry for the people hurt and killed at VT, but we need to go forward with the business of this country. It may make me the asshole o' the week, but we have to do this. Just today, the Justice Dept refused to turn over papers to the Senate. This is two more days for them to get their lies straight and destroy any other evidence.

I dont like this, flame me if you must.

[bluerum]

1. Just heard from your post - if true count me outraged. eom

[bluerum]

dupe - self delete.

[Rex]

2. I don't like it either. But I think it has to do with the JD refusal to hand

over documents to Congress, violating the honor of the law btw. That was a HUGE move by the WH and will cause damage to the Executive Branch, after Congress tears them a new one.

[givemebackmycountry]

3. I am really torn on this one -

I don't want it lost in the 24x7 feeding frenzy of this latest tragedy.
But, I don't want it delayed two weeks either.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

5. Two days, not weeks

I heard they would be held on Thursday the 19th.

[ThomWV]

4. Its a crock of shit - but maybe a necessary one

If it had been a week I'd have been on the phone but a couple of days won't hurt anything and maybe the VA shooting will have died down enough for the country to pay a little attention to something that actually matters on a national scale.

[DCKit]

6. If I were a conspiracy theorist....

But no matter the reason, it's Manna from Heaven for AGAG.

[la la]

19. But I'm thinking--

it's a few more days to add to the AGAG's stress level! I'm almost positive he wants it over NOW!

[unlawflcombatnt]

38. 2 more days for Gonzales to "create" facts

And erase emails.

unlawflcombatnt

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. I Can't Think Of A Possible Circumstance Of Imminent Harm That Could Be Caused From A Few Day Delay.

So you have to wait a few more days. But that inconvenience to you is really the only downside to it. This isn't an investigation that is imminently time sensitive so I'm not really sure I can agree with the outrage.

[unlawflcombatnt]

49. It's VERY time sensitive

It's going to take weeks to months to get the information, assuming we can ever get it. The sooner it gets started the better. Why allow them to stall even longer. They've already stalled for weeks. They've already refused to provide information requested. We'll never get to the bottom of this if every excuse to delay the hearings is allowed.

Besides, who's to say there won't be another concocted delay 2 days from now? Or that they won't decide to push it back another week? Or 2 weeks?

Every day of delay is still more time for the Bush Corporatocracy to run this country in to the ground.

unlawflcombatnt

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

52. Sorry, But Nothing You've Stated Reaches The Bar Of Being Imminent. Not Even Close.

There is nothing at risk between now and Thursday. There just isn't (other than your anxiety and desire to see it).

[onenote]

58. you think this is a 'concocted delay'?

Get a grip.

[unlawflcombatnt]

60. Delay

"you think this is a 'concocted delay'?
Get a grip"

This has already been delayed due to Spring recess. And, yes, if there's another delay,
it will be concocted.


And, by the way, "get a grip" yourself.


unlawflcombatnt

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[onenote]

62. nice try, but you're the one who said "another concocted delay"

"Another" -- meaning that you view this one as 'concocted'.

I think I have a pretty good grip. You're the one floundering around pretending you didn't say what you said.

[unlawflcombatnt]

65. Again, you need to get a grip yourself

I didn't say one way or the other whether this one was concocted. You can read it any way you want. Whatever suits your purposes is fine with me.

What I am saying is that if there is another it is concocted for certain.

It's you who is "floundering" with your pathetic attempt to find fault with my statement.

And you really do need to get a grip.

unlawflcombatnt

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[saltpoint]

8. It could be that the postponement works against Gonzales.

He has longer to thrash around in his own murky coverup and mismanagement, longer to gnaw on his own ankle, longer to be in the very spotlight he has avoided and scorned for the length of his appointments with George W. Bush.

Leahy loses no ground by a weakened Gonzales. And through all of this, there is only a deathly silence from GOP Senators. It's one of the loudest silences I've ever heard from the Republicans when one of their own is under fire from our side.

[valerief]

9. I am. Almost like this was planned. nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

15. Here, have some...

[valerief]

68. Yeah, and 911 wasn't a pun on our Emergency phone system. nt

[BlooInBloo]

10. Um, time is on our side, not theirs. And there's nothing wrong with a little respect.

EDIT: Ah - I see from the post above mine that I was forgetful of the conspiracy "argument". My apologies for losing track of the jackasses among us.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

11. Jesus Christ, Warner is on the judiciary committee.

Give it a fucking rest. It got postponed until Thursday. THURSDAY. I really think that "outrage" is a bit of an overreaction.

[elocs]

24. This is DU--there is no such thing as an overreaction.

Not only am I not outraged, I am not even upset about it. Being "outraged" over a postponement of a couple of days is a little over the top. Save "outraged" for something even a little outrageous.

[karlrschneider]

32. Well, it could be worse...as in "concerned"

;-)

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

34. Do we even *have* the concept of an outrage troll?

If not, I'm beginning to think we should invent it.

[karlrschneider]

40. The reality has preceded the concept.

It's just awaiting a clever and catchy coinage. :eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. No he's not a member of the Judiciary Committee ..neither is Webb.

http://judiciary.senate.gov/members.cfm

Patrick J. Leahy
CHAIRMAN, D-VERMONT

Edward M. Kennedy
D-MASSACHUSETTS

Arlen Specter

RANKING MEMBER, R-PENNSYLVANIA

Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
D-DELAWARE

Orrin G. Hatch
R-UTAH

Herb Kohl
D-WISCONSIN

Charles E. Grassley
R-IOWA

Dianne Feinstein
D-CALIFORNIA

Jon Kyl
R-ARIZONA

Russell D. Feingold
D-WISCONSIN

Jeff Sessions
R-ALABAMA

Charles E. Schumer
D-NEW YORK

Lindsey Graham
R-SOUTH CAROLINA

Richard J. Durbin
D-ILLINOIS

John Cornyn
R-TEXAS

Benjamin L. Cardin
D-MARYLAND

Sam Brownback
R-KANSAS

Sheldon Whitehouse
D-RHODE ISLAND

Tom Coburn
R-OKLAHOMA

[dicknbush]

12. It is a very savy and correct move by Leahy

I am not sure even two days is enought but be that as it may. The entire country is going to be fixated on this tragedy. To have the attorney general sitting in front of a panel be quizzed by politicians would give the righties ammo in that they would be saying things like why don't they let Abu do his job especiallyat this very tragic moment. It is doing no ggod to have these hearings now. The distraction from the hearings would be enourmous and the whole thing would slip away and be buried under the weight of this media storm regarding this tragedy. It is callous of course but it is the reality of how the world works at this time. I think!

[panader0]

13. In sports, football and basketball, coaches will call a time out

to "cool off" the punter or free throw shooter. Maybe the delay will mess with gonzo's head. He had to be primed for tomorrows testimony.

[Mr. Ected]

14. Part of This Hearing Is To Foster Public Disgust with Gonzo

And that element would be sorely lacking if his testimony was to take place tomorrow. Tragedies take time to run their course in the news cycle.

Applying the rule of law is obviously the most critical matter. But how Americans REACT to the situation will determine how far the Democrats can kick Bushco into the abyss.

[MadBadger]

16. I wish it was still tomorrow, but...

This will allow what couldnt happen today. Whenever the hearing is, it will dominate the news cycle the day before, much like it was supposed to today. It is smart that they are moving it back.

[ljm2002]

17. Pleased, not outraged...

...oh, it's true, I was so looking forward to listening to it. So I'm disappointed that I have to wait. However, it is true that the AG will need to concern himself with this incident, and it makes no sense to have him testifying before a committee, even if I don't like the smarmy little bastard. However, and this is more important to me, postponing his testimony also means it will not be totally overshadowed by the ongoing coverage of today's horrific tragedy.

[unlawflcombatnt]

42. Why would Gonzales be concerned about this?

He hasn't been concerned about any criminal matters since his mistaken appointment.
Except his own.

Also, the last time I checked, most cities in Virginia have local police departments. And Virginia has a state police as well. Murder is covered by state law. So let Virginia handle it.

Gonzales isn't going to do anything about this, regardless of how much time he has. He's going to use the additional time to fabricate stories for his testimony.

This story would not have any extended lifespan were it not for the Right-Wing Corporate media, who are dying to distract viewers from the criminal activity of the Bush plutocracy.

62 Americans have died in Iraq already in April. This is on track to be the most deadly month for Americans in the Iraq war. How do 32 deaths at Virginia Tech trump 62 American deaths in Iraq?

Count me outraged. Gonzales should be getting grilled tomorrow. The Gonzales hearings would trump this story anyway, not vice-versa. Gonzales's mis-conduct is a national, if not world-wide event. Virginia Tech is not. The perpetrator is already dead. But Gonzales lives on, and can still do considerable damage to our country.

unlawflcombatnt

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[Swede Atlanta]

18. No, I'm not outraged

I agree with many postings today that despite the horror of today's events at Virginia Tech they pale in comparison to the daily carnage, death and destruction in Iraq, all of which are the direct responsibility of this Mis-Administration. But as to the postponement of the AG's testimony before Congress I have to agree with the delay. Members of Congress, especially from Virginia, as well as many Americans will be focused on the events at VT for the next day or so. I think a temporary delay of a few days is absolutely in order.

[SoCalDem]

20. It's sad, isn't it? Our congress can have its scheduled agenda cancelled

because of a school shooting spree. I wonder if commerce will shut down ? Walmarts closed? banks closed? No mail delivery?

I feel TERRIBLE about the event happening, but whay on earth does Gonzo's appearance even matter in the overall scheme of things?

His "agency" would not be involved at this stage (if at all)..

Are the congresspeople going to VA to invstigate the thing themselves?

C-span would be the coverage of choice anyway....not the "regular channels", since they love to mute the testimony and tell us how they will watch for us and let us know if anything important happens..and then give us 40-brazillion commercials for drugs that will give us lymphoma & explosive diarrhea in order to cure that pesky heartburn:grr:

[IChing]

21. If you read this LBNs story you might want Leahy

and the Senate Judiciary committee have a little more time to
consume it in order to bring up questions to Gonzales.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2809066

[WiseButAngrySara]

28. Wow! This is important. Public disclosure was on April 9th

though. Why is this the first time we're hearing about it? It seems like it should have been 'breaking news' on the 9th?

[Colobo]

22. Right now, I don't give a damn about Gonzo.

[rec_report]

23. Well, I said earlier that the Gonzales testimony went *poof,*

hours before it actually went *poof.* (The thread got locked.)
Polar Bear

[LostinVA]

25. This is a national tragedy -- it's okay to postpone it for a few days

The timing is unfortunate.

[DeepModem Mom]

26. I see it differently. I can't imagine the hearing getting any coverage at all...

after this massacre today, and the whole idea of a public hearing is getting information out.

[WiseButAngrySara]

27. See this post by kpete. ABC just revealed emails which

contradicted Gonzales' earlier statements that he had nothing to do with the firings. More time allows for more of this stuff to surface.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x670578

[MiniMe]

29. 2 days is respectful

Besides, why not wait until it will actually make the news.

[Bucky]

30. This was a pretty bad incident. It's not like a plane crash with 32 victims.

I think suspending business to let the country grieve is appropriate. If it's any consolation, the longer they delay, the closer they push this scandal to November 2008. We do want this story fresh in voters' minds, don't we?

[karlrschneider]

31. No flames but I think you're wrong. The Va Tech business will own the news

for the time being. I'll trade a few days for more exposure when he does appear.

[unlawflcombatnt]

33. Absolutely. Outrage is an understatement

April Death Toll: Iraq: 62, Virgina Tech:33


Which is a bigger problem???


The Bush plutocracy may not be creating such distractions, but they certainly magnify their importance to distract from their own criminal activity.

Once again, Bush's Corporate media supporters have made this a historical event,
another day that "shook the world."

In fact, this heinous event could lead to the complete collapse of society as we know it.

Mark this day on your calendar as one that will go down in history. :sarcasm:




I'm sure glad Congress and the media have got their priorities right.

unlawflcombatnt

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[karlrschneider]

35. Wrong question. Because the Bigger Problem won't get exposure for days.

If a Gonzo falls in the forest...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

39. OK, I'm not even going to examaine the content...

...on that link at the end of your post. Dude. Color scheme. Eyes hurt.

[unlawflcombatnt]

47. LOL

But I'll bet you won't confuse it with any other forums.

:)

unlawflcombatnt

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[Missy Vixen]

55. How would you feel if your child was considered nothing more than a "news cycle"?

Do you believe that the loved ones and friends of those who've died in Iraq would begrudge the parents and loved ones of those who died today at Virginia Tech a chance to grieve? Is it really going to matter if this hearing is postponed two days out of respect?

How many do you think are sitting by a silent telephone right now, praying that they are wrong?

Julie

[GirlinContempt]

57. Well said.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

36. I don't think they have all the documents yet

[brentspeak]

37. No outrage here. I don't see the problem.

[Little Wing]

41. No. It will happen. Calm the fuck down.

[lonestarnot]

43. Yes I am. What is the excuse? I haven't heard. Not the shooting I hope.

[Colobo]

45. Gonzo is toast, so relax.

The next few days will be hell for him.

[ShaneGR]

46. Yes, we should have the testimony so it can be overshadowed...

By wall to wall coverage of the shootings. Hurry up!

[Canuckistanian]

48. Not so much, no

This was done for two reasons:

1)Respect for a national tragedy

2)To make sure that this hearing had America's undivided attention.

And it doesn't really matter if Gonzales is grilled tomorrow or the day after or even next week.

He's done for. Toast. Jonestown. Jamestown.

And his ultimate fate is to be the catalyst for the bringing down of an administration.

So, no. I ain't troubled.

[Jacobin]

50. no

[Mike Daniels]

51. Not in the slightest damn bit

And you know why? The war wasn't going to end one day earlier if Tech didn't happen and Gonzales' problems aren't going to go away either.

Jesus, I've never seen whine-fests that match what I've seen today in regards to how pissed off people seem to be because the tragedy at Tech will occupy a few days on the news.

In war, people die. I'm willing to bet there's some other military conflict going on right now that isn't even a blip on the news where people are dying as I type.

But, not many days go by where you see over 30 people from across the country gunned down on a college campus for any reason, much less one that seems to be rooted in some romantic entanglement.

That's why Tech is news today and Iraq and Gonzales are not.

[aquart]

53. I'm disappointed but not stupid.

And this is two more days for Gonzales to stew.

[uppityperson]

54. No. Let this get a couple days and then Gonzo will be top of the news.

I want him in the news, now is not the time for that for many. Must be patient a little bit longer. Then f* him.

[aquart]

56. The students came from all the states.

It's possible that senators not from Virginia will be busy with this.

[depakid]

59. Not at all. This deserves top billing

and the reality is that for the next week or so, our irresponsible, deregulated media is going to way too busy satisfying their bloodlust to give this story its due.

[nolabels]

61. This might be a good thing

His underling coming back to the committee behind closed doors singing and thus a couple extra days to digest it might be handy. Also all that prep by Gonzo and now he will have to wait a couple extra days. Even if Gonzo has nerves of steel (which doesn't seem to be the case) the extra time might help him think about the larger case of perjury building up that he might face.

Just saying that the opposing team in football doesn't call a timeout just so the kicker can get more loosened up, if you know anything about football that is :shrug:

[Zynx]

63. It wouldn't even be in the news tomorrow.

[StrictlyRockers]

64. Mark me as outraged!!! Gonzo needs to testify ASAFP!! Bastards!

I would never even think to put it past them to stage something like this JUST to keep A.G. A. Gonzo from testifying right now. That is my FIRST thought. They MADE the shooting happen just for this delay. I have no problem believing that. I don't know any details of the shooting and I am only speculating. It is outrageous to delay his testimony!

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Nope, two days will not do any harm

and in fact, I hate to say it, but they scored political points by allowing the country to mourn and the VA delegation to go to the service

[Yukari Yakumo]

67. Not at all.

Simply because the M$M is going to use the VTech incident to drown out everything else for awhile.

Best to stall for a day or two at the very least.

[Robbien]

69. But then we wouldn't have Gonzo stating he is fully cooperating will all supoenas

and Conyers saying today Gonzo missed today's deadline and failed to turn over documents.

One more lie to nail him with.

[spanone]

70. If they had gone with today it would have been LOST in the din of 24/7 VT coverage.

[Stuckinthebush]

71. Lord, no

Respect for the victims of the worst mass killing in American history aside, this very important testimony need not be overshadowed (which it rightly would be) by news coverage of this tragedy.

It was a smart move to postpone it and I'm very glad it was.

[johnfunk]

72. Would have been drowned out by Va Tech massacre. Plus...

... the media is finally catching on to the fact that e-mails contradict the statement Gonzo filed before his testimony!

Stock up on :popcorn:, kids -- this is going to be worth the wait.

[unlawflcombatnt]

73. Kick

:kick:

[KoKo]

74. No! eom

[AZBlue]

75. I'm not disappointed at all - it wouldn't receive much coverage this week.

And it deserves coverage.