Glock should be proud....

[LeftHander]

The weapon they designed performed flawlessly.

Visit Glock's website:

http://www.glock.com/

Oh they took it down...well almost...

http://www.glock.com/english/glock17.htm

GLOCK 17

Global Pistol

The GLOCK 17 in caliber 9x19 is the most
widely used law enforcement pistol worldwide.
Because of its unsurpassed reliability,
above-average magazine capacity of 17 cartridges
in the standard magazine and its low weight, it is
trusted by law enforcement officers in their daily
duties throughout the world. It is safe, easy and
quick to use through the revolutionary “Safe Action”
trigger system. GLOCK 17 – designed for professionals.


Question for Glock:

If it is "designed for professionals" then why do they sell them to anyone?

Good thing it holds 17 rounds standard, 19 and 33 with optional magazines.

So lets see with additional magazines in a jacket...anyone can carry over 200 rounds. Easily reloading in under 2 seconds with the drop-out magazine.

Why does a anyone beside law enforcement or military need a Glock 9mm with fast reloading features and a fast load shooting vest that holds extra magazines?

Can we stop offering this weapon to the general public yet?

[Lautremont]

1. If such guns are banned, or if there is any impediment on

the purchase or use of any guns whatsoever by any citizen of the US, or any "background checks" of any sort made, or any "wait time" before you can get your gun and start shooting it at whatever, a single, sad tear will run down James Madison's dessicated cheekbone, for the beloved Second Amendment will have been violated and befouled.

[BOSSHOG]

4. Yes, it was James Madison's intent

that every fucking citizen of this country be armed to the hilt and use if for whatever purpose they want.

The second amendment is not ambiguous. We have the right to bear arms for the protection of the country. Its only one sentence long and extremely easy to figure out unless you want it to be ambiguous for other purposes.

[Lautremont]

6. I know,

but occasionally my bitterness against those types who kneejerk from "second amendment" directly to a self-righteous belief that there must be no restrictions on their gun-nuttery expresses itself in expectorations of unlabelled sarcasm. I should put the tag, but don't always.

[BOSSHOG]

30. Roger that my friend

I am a total failure at sarcasm and hardly ever use the emoticon.

[TX-RAT]

14. Don't think Madison had hi-cap semi auto's on his mind when it was written.

[BOSSHOG]

29. Of course he didn't

What he and his fellow founding fathers had in mind more then 200 years ago was the defense of the country being facilitated by citizens having weapons because we didn't have much of a defense structure then. Its very clear in the amendment. But that just doesn't sit well with the NRA types so they make it "ambiguous" to suit their purposes. I'd appreciate them just pleading ignorance.

[AJ9000]

73. Not at all true of you read early American history.

One of the main things they had in mind was for an armed citizenry to be able to fight off their own despotic government if necessary. Jefferson actually thought a rebellion by the people might be necessary every 20 years. How could you have a rebellion without arms?

Also the right to bear arms "for the common defense" was taken out so as not to limit its' meaning to only military defense of the country.

I'll also point out Switzerland has a citizenry armed (with automatic weapons) almost exactly like the founders envisioned we should be. But for some reason, it's America that has the big violence problem.

[jtrockville]

5. Let's extend this to ALL arms. Who has a nuke in their basement?

After all, if the right to bear arms is truly unimpeded, we all have the right to build and maintain our own private nuclear arsenal, just in case we need it.

The hell with that puny Glock.

[tomreedtoon]

65. I do!

And I'm going to use it the next time Heather Havrilesky writes one of her incompetent TV reviews for Salon.

Haven't you guys figured it out? Guns don't kill people. People kill people. You should ban people.

[Critters2]

9. Right. Madison dreamed of a day such as yesterday. I'm sure. nt

[AJ9000]

74. Ya! Lets take everyones guns now. That'll solve Americas violence problem!

It will also ensure a quick return of Republican rule.

[BushOut06]

2. K&R - thanks

There is no rational reason for this to be available to the general public!

[question everything]

3. If "guns don't kill people, people kill people"

according to the NRA motto, how did a foreign student even get hold on such a weapon?

[The_Casual_Observer]

23. Sick bastard gun owners kill people. So, what's the NRA's point?

[question everything]

32. To prevent any gun control laws, of course

All NRA members are (Republican) law abiding citizens who just hunt, or use guns for protection..

It is the baddies who misuse them. Similarly, they say, one does not outlaw cars because cars kill so many people.

And I have no idea what their excuse for semi automatic in the hands of private citizens. This is what Feinstein managed to outlaw back during the Clinton administration and that law, apparently had a limited shelf life a died in the Republican Congress.

[The_Casual_Observer]

37. They get stuck in a dilemma, either all the guns are safe or

none of them are. So, they go ahead & choke down the assault guns for the principle of the thing. They're all crazy.

[Squatch]

7. I am not a fan of Glock, but for a different reason.

I find their pistols clunky and not befitting of my shooting style. I prefer the more traditionally styled and designed pistols by Sig Sauer or the ultralight J-Frame Smith and Wesson revolvers.

[Lex]

34. We were all wondering about your gun preferences.

nt

[Xenotime]

39. LOL...too funny

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. ..

:spray:

[KharmaTrain]

8. All Yours For Under $500...

I learned about the Glock 9mm when I served in on a trial involving gun purchasing. The Glock is the gangbangers "enforcer" of choice and has only one purpose...lethal force in as devestating a manner as possible. At close range that gun is devestating and its design makes it easy to load and fire.

This gun and other semi-automatic pistols have no purpose other than to kill and create mayhem. The fact they're so plentiful and cheap makes it, and the Tech 9, make it so popular. The power of the gun lobby and the NRA have glamorized these weapons not only among their hordes (who think they can outgun someone who has the jump on them), but among the gangbangers as well.

Now let's see if the corproate media will discuss this "hip-hop culture"? I doubt it.

[Solo_in_MD]

17. Comparing a Tec-9 to a Glock or other standard semi auto handgun is hyperbole

at best, and a bald face lie at worst.

- There is no evidednce that Glocks are the gang weapon of choice. If nothing else it has no bling factor.
- Glocks is no more destructive than any other semi auto hand gun.
- Glocks and other quality handguns are not cheap nor inexpensive

Ignoring the gang banger/thug life aspects of urban violence is folly and further show your level of cluelessness.

[KharmaTrain]

20. These Were The Weapons Used At The Trial

I won't get into specifics...but the people involved in this case were known gang-members and the Glocks and Tech 9s were the weapons they were buying in larger numbers than any other. Fact is the case. "Bling" means nothing when you want a gun fast and cheap...we saw receipts ranging around $300...when you're dealing with drug dealers who walk around with wads of C-notes, that's chump change.

Urban violence is a folly? You mean the news reports I see nightly of another shooting in the inner city of Chicago is just an apparition? The violence is the symptom...so easy to use as a strawman and play the blame game with...discussing what causes that violence is another story, it involves coming off of talking points and high horses.

The fact also is this gun now is responsible for the deaths of at least 30 people in addition to hundreds of other nameless souls every year in this country. The manufacturers of these guns are more than happy to supply a market that they know includes a large underworld of their products that end up in these incidents. They fought to make sure the Assault Rifle ban wasn't renewed a couple years ago...and for what? So yesterday's shooter could get easier access to larger clips to make his weapon more leathal?

I could care less about the difference in balistics...both weapons are offensive weapons designed to spray a lot of deadly lead for very little cost.

[Solo_in_MD]

43. Get some facts...

Glocks are not cheap or inexpensive handugns. They are the choice of police departments as carry weapons for relaibility and the so called safety trigger.

If you reread what I said, I challenged your throw away comment as folly. Gang banger/thung life culture is a serious part of the urban violence.

There is nothing unique or special about Glocks that make them particularly unique in this situation. THey are really no diffent than any other similar handgun. The useless AWB did nothing to eliminate high cpacity magazines. Pre existing ones were uneffected.

Spraying lead from a semi-auto handgun? You clearly need to learn more about firearms before you post on the topic.

[eppur_se_muova]

28. My next door neighbor will be relieved to hear that. He was shot with a Glock 9 mm.

Stolen (so the price doesn't factor in) from the local gun shop by a gangbanger-wannabe. Guess he couldn't find the weapon of choice, had to take what he could get.

Yes, it was fatal, but thankfully that's no more destructive than any other handgun would have been.

This was in Lex'n Park, BTW -- deep in the heart of the urban jungle.

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. I think a comparison can be made --

small gun, big clip.

Easily concealed and high firepower. Perfect criminal weapons.

[Xenotime]

10. Glock also makes an "18"

Look at the size of the clip. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_18 How many bullets a fucking person need?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

27. Seen a lot of Glock 18's in the store lately?

The full-auto pistol takes a big pile of paperwork to get legally. Like any full-auto gun. I don't think there's a big market for them, and I don't think one was used yesterday at VT.

[Xenotime]

35. I don't shop for guns.

[RaleighNCDUer]

42. No, I believe that was a Glock 17, which also has a 17 round

capacity magazine. It just can't go full auto.

[guruoo]

69. Glock 17, full auto...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9fWfOohdpg

And here's the 18, with twin 50 round magazines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN7Y-JtWjQ8:

[MemphisTiger]

11. You can't buy a 17 round magazine

as a civilian legally.

[Squatch]

13. Yes you can.

With the sunset of the AWB in '04, high capacity magazines are available for purchase again.

[RamboLiberal]

15. Actually you could always buy high cap mags

Unless you live in a state where they are banned. Hi caps manufactured prior to the AWB were still legal to own and buy - and they were in plentiful supply. The AWB just made them more expensive.

[Squatch]

16. True, true.

[aikoaiko]

21. Depends on where you live. You can in the free states.

[Tesha]

80. That's the standard magazine for the Glock. The optional ones are bigger. (NT)

[Solo_in_MD]

12. Its good gear, and there is no reason for the public not to have it

In case you missed it, the police have no duty to defend or protect you and an individual. Been the precedent in the country for many years. The first line of defense for you and your family is you. Semi auto handguns are ideal defense weapons.

Of course they are designed for professionals. That means they work when needed and are reliable. Guns that don't are called Saturday Night Specials. They have already been banned, mostly in an effort to make it hard for the poor to defend themselves.

While my tastes don't run to Glocks, they are reasonable to own for civilians for self defense.

[RaleighNCDUer]

44. LOL!

"...Saturday Night Specials. They have already been banned, mostly in an effort to make it hard for the poor to defend themselves."

And who do they need to defend themselves against? Maybe, other poor people with saturday night specials?

Light, cheap, small caliber, easily concealed handguns, called saturday night specials regardless of their make and model, used to be the weapon of choice for criminals specifically because they were light, cheap, small caliber, easily concealed handguns. That's why they've been outlawed.

There is nothing reasonable about having 15 + 1 in the chamber for personal defense, unless you reckon you are going to go up against a heavily armed mob. It is a combat weapon.

[jmg257]

61. If fighting for your life, you would be best served to arm yourself as well as possible.

Biggest caliber you can handle, and most rounds that would meet your compromise on size and weight. Of course brand makes a difference too as you do want reliability.
LE usually have a bit more latitude as they are picking exposed duty weapons, private citizens usually have to conceal. My duty weapon was a Beretta 92 with 15rnd mags - a bit big these days for concealment purposes and in NY we still have the 10 rnd mag capacity limit on "new" civilian purchases (post '94).

[Solo_in_MD]

77. Your point?

Self defense is combat.

Very very few people shoot in stressfull situations as well as they do on the range. 6 shots in a revolver may well not be enough to discourage the home invasion robbery.

[High Plains]

56. "The police have no duty to defend or protect you"

Why do have so many of them then? What are they supposed to be doing?

[jmg257]

62. "To serve and protect" - but not legally binding to do so. (court-proven) nt

[RamboLiberal]

18. I say a big so what

Glocks are fine firearms and are carried by the majority of police because they perform with almost no malfunctions. This guy could've bought any brand of firearm that would've worked equally well and been priced about the same as a Glock.

[davepc]

19. good luck pushing a handgun ban.

[aikoaiko]

22. civilians should be able to own Glock 17s for the same reasons as the popo.

Sometimes the situation calls for one.

[The_Casual_Observer]

24. "Sometimes the situation calls for one."

Apparently that's how that Korean bastard was thinking too. I guess you're in good company.

[aikoaiko]

25. sigh.

Did you ever think that maybe one of the VT victims wished they had had one too? What that make them like the killer too?

How utterly heartless of you.

[The_Casual_Observer]

31. Yeah sure, a shoot out, like the old west right?

[scrinmaster]

33. As opposed to being lined up and shot in the head?

I'd rather shoot back.

[The_Casual_Observer]

36. Sure, I can see you a'shooting back with your fanner '45.

Dream on.

[soothsayer]

48. don't try to fan without a fanner! ouchie

[Retired AF Dem]

79. Korean Bastard?

What not just bastard? Why bring race into it?

[eppur_se_muova]

26. A Weapon of Mass Destruction. Good only for open warfare or mass murder.

No other conceivable reason for it to be so thoroughly optimized to that end.

(Pardon redundancy in title.)

[Solo_in_MD]

38. Many of us refuse to allow you lack of knowledge and hyperpole to control our rights

A Weapon of Mass Destruction.
Its a semi auto handgun, not a nuclear, chemical or biological weapon

Good only for open warfare or mass murder
Its also useful for plinking, formal target shooting, practcal pistol competetion, and self defense

No other conceivable reason for it to be so thoroughly optimized to that end.
It a high end, well designed good quality pistol, its not nearly an optimal design

Your kind of hyperbole is why we lose elections and the interest of many.

[eppur_se_muova]

45. A standard pistol should be sufficient for target practice or competition.

It does NOT to be a rapid-fire, ultra-fast-reload death machine.

Failure to acknowledge the EXTREME deadliness of something that DOESN'T NEED to be that deadly may be why gun supporters are more commonly called 'gun nuts' than 'supporters'. Nothing like being your own worst enemy, and not recognizing it. If you want a target practice pistol, be my guest. If you want a pistol or shotgun for protecting your home, I have no problem with that. If you want a hunting rifle to bag an occasional deer, go right ahead. I don't want any of those guns but I'm not saying you shouldn't have one. BUT you don't need a Lamborghini Countach to drive to the mall, and you don't need a rapid-fire, high-capacity magazine weapon for any reason but a rampage -- or perhaps sheer macho egoboo, to go with the Countach.

[Solo_in_MD]

78. A Glock is a standard pistol

revolvers are the exception, rather than a rules, espcially when it comes defensive firearms

[Lautremont]

46. What the hell is "plinking"?

[LeftHander]

49. Shooting road signs and beer cans....

:>/

[qdemn7]

54. Plinking

Is casual shooting. Not really for serious defense training. Not for serious target shooting. Going out and shooting at cans or the like, or simply shooting paper targets to keep your reflexes sharp. Or simply because you enjoy guns. Sort of like someone going to a golf driving range and buying a bucket of balls to hit.

[slackmaster]

53. Please don't dilute the meaning of WMD by applying it to small arms

:nuke:

[LeftHander]

47. Why does the public need Semi-Automatic handguns

...that can carry 17-33 rounds and reload with a simple flick, dropping out the magazine and shoving another in and flicking a lever to load another round in the chamber?

Why...Because it makes us free, safer?

I still see no place for this type of weapon outside of law enforcement and competition shooting (for law enforcement).

Lets see...had the VA Tech shooter used a single action revolver that lacks the flip out "speed loading" capability...how many students do you think he would of killed before being overpowered....??

I used to own a High Standard .22 semi automatic, with a bull barrel. I shot competition slow and rapid fire.

I also owned a Ruger Single Six Convertible...I realized that I no longer needed these weapons. I was not shooting competition anymore...and not hunting rabbits and gophers anymore. I sold them to a dealer.

Unless you are a cop...or are licensed shooting competitor there is no reason to own a semi-auto, fast loading high capacity Glock or weapon like it.

[smoogatz]

50. The preferred weapon of homicidal maniacs everywhere.

Something to be proud of, indeed.

[slackmaster]

51. Same reason GMC says its trucks are "professional grade" or whatever

Marketing is teh hype.

Why does a anyone beside law enforcement or military need a Glock 9mm with fast reloading features and a fast load shooting vest that holds extra magazines?

Why does anyone feel the need to tell someone else what he or she needs or does not need?

As for personal protection, I wouldn't rely on a 9 mm pistol. .45 ACP is much more effective, even though my 1911 holds only seven rounds.

[soothsayer]

52. did he use hollow points or is it that easy to kill people with a 9mm?

or was it all point-blank range shootings? anyone know? i'm not gun savvy ...

[slackmaster]

55. Full metal jacket 9 mm has an overpenetration problem

Bullets sometimes go through the target without deforming significantly.

Of course that doesn't matter if it happens to hit something vital. Hollow point bullets expand more reliably, but they also can fragment and are more likely to jam a weapon.

HTH

[RamboLiberal]

60. Wrong on jamming the weapon

at least semi-autos. Never saw a good quality hollowpoint ever jam a good quality semi-auto by fragmenting before leaving the barrel.

[slackmaster]

64. I didn't mean to say the bullets fragment inside the weapon

I have seen plenty of semiautos that don't like HP ammo.

[RamboLiberal]

68. Only ones I ever saw that didn't like HP were some 1911s

Most modern semi-autos, HK, Sigs, Glocks, S&W, Beretta no problem at least in 9mm.

[slackmaster]

75. Blasphemy

All Hail Saint John Moses Browning.

[RamboLiberal]

58. From the deaths I'd guess hollow points

but even the solid nose bullets will kill. Just depends on where you get shot, organs and blood vessels damaged, etc. I understand from some entries I was reading he aimed for the head.

Probably some of the students especially the one kid last night on the news with an arm wound owe their lives to being shot with the 22 which is a less lethal round - not that it can't kill as well.

And as to 9mm a lot of police departments have moved from it to 40 or 45 caliber for more stopping power.

[soothsayer]

66. ok so is a 9mm bullet bigger than a 22? is a caliber different than mm?

soooo confused!

[qdemn7]

67. Much bigger

9mm would translate to a bullet .355 inches in diameter. A .22 bullet is .22 inches in diameter. See here for pictures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_handgun_cartridges

[ends_dont_justify]

57. I must disagree.

Guns have their place. Their place is NOT in the hand of an illegal immigrant, nor is their place in the hand of psychopathic criminals. This is a fault of the people who assign the guns. Professionals? These are just business terms...anyone who owns a gun does so to enhance how they feel about their ego or to defend themselves (although I take a gander most people own them just for ego. This, in my opinion, is also wrong). They want to think they're professional....

If more people were armed during the disaster of hurricane katrina, I am certain the corrupt police would have gotten away with much less. I am certain less people would have died in the convention center.

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns. Remember, the person who bought these guns WAS an OUTLAW. I think one extreme or the other is bad....guns should be a simple commodity for someone who truly feels they need one and someone who feels they need one cause their girlfriend cheated on them should be locked up indefinitely, not simply barred from owning a gun.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. You are aware taht blackwater confiscated

yes you read right, confiscated legally owned guns during katrina

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Because semi automatic guns

whether they are a Berreta (chambered for the same round) or the Glock, are legal to own by private citizens in the US... and until that changes... sorry, I can go down to the gun shop, and buy them.

If you moved to another country, lets say, south of the border, these weapons may enter the realm of military weapons and you'd only be able to legally own them if you were part of the police or security aparatus... or after extensive background and special permits as a private citizen

Now ilegally... do you want an AK -47, how about an AR-15, Perhaps an AK-70 is more to your taste?

(From a photo in the local Mexico City Paper)

You are into collecting... well the BAR might fit you better, or perhaps the Enfield.

Oh and while the second ammendment is conditional, good luck in making these weapons only available to a regulated militia...

Though contrary to myth, there were far less guns in ciruculation in the West, or for that matter, far greater gun control... perhaps we should try to move the country back to some of those aspects of the HISTORIC west...

[spoony]

70. What is "this weapon"? The Glock 17?

You don't think he'd settle for a taurus or something?

[Jack_DeLeon]

71. I own one. I even own the extra deadly 33 round magazines...

:eyes:



I only paid $300 for the pistol used. I havent murdered anyone with it, nor do I have any plans to.

The gun is an inanimate object, only capable of doing what the user wants it to.

[rocktivity]

72. Here's a professional with a Glock

DEA Agent Who Shot Self In Foot Sues U.S.

APRIL 11 (2006)--A Drug Enforcement Administration agent who stars in a popular online video that shows him shooting himself in the foot during a...demonstration for Florida children is suing...claiming that his career has been crippled and he's become a laughingstock...

...Paige was making a "drug education presentation" in April 2004...(His) firearm (a Glock .40) accidentally discharged...moments after Paige told the children that he was the "only person in the room professional enough" to carry the weapon. The accident was filmed by an audience member...

Paige, who writes that he was "once regarded as one of the best undercover agents, if not the best, in the DEA,"...can no longer work undercover. He also notes that he is no longer "permitted or able to give educational motivational speeches and presentations."

:rofl:
rocknation

[slackmaster]

76. I was hoping someone would post that

I didn't have the nerve.

:rofl: