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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:22 PM
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Before candidate supporters fully dig their trenches, could we agree on something?
Edited on Sun Jan-28-07 11:25 PM by jpgray
All of us who experienced the primaries in 2004 remember that as a time of much prejudice, mistrust, and nastiness between various "camps" of DUers who were identified as supporting a particular candidate with a lot of energy and enthusiasm. This same enthusiasm fueled nasty allegations of moderator favoritism, accusations were made that rival candidate supporters were paid PR operatives, and the misbehavior of a few posters was used to paint all of that candidate's supporters with ugly stereotypes. That most of this was misguided became obvious when the primaries were over, and all (excepting an annoyingly vocal yet reassuringly meager number of posters) threw their hearts behind the nominee. In other words, by and large we weren't the mindless, "my candidate or death!" fuckwits we all accused each other of being.

There's no way we can avoid this mostly pointless and always bitter internecine warfare, but there are a few basic things everyone might want to consider when the infighting gets intense here:

1. Other people feel as strongly about their candidate as you do about yours. Being insulting, dismissive, or otherwise rude in your support or criticism of a candidate is likely to elicit the same kind of behavior from others.

2. A candidate's supporters always include a diverse group of individuals--nearly any group of DUers should not be considered a monolithic mob that is in total agreement with each other. Dismissing a poster's views because he or she is a "Clarkie" or "Deanie" or what have you is prejudicial and discriminatory, and should have no place on a liberal website.

3. In addition, rude, inflammatory comments are more memorable than calm, reasoned discussion--don't dismiss all supporters of a candidate as obnoxious assholes just because one of same happens to behave like one. You won't remember the kind and understanding supporters, but you will be eager to label the whole group as disruptive and obnoxious based on a few memorably vulgar posts. Don't do that, if you can avoid it.

4. No candidate is perfect. Before you tie yourself into a knot trying to defend the indefensible, consider whether or not it might be better to admit a fault. There's no shame in that--mindless protestations of perfection regarding your candidate are sure to annoy everyone who reads them, and doubtless every candidate has some position that deeply offends a group of DUers. Since DU is not really a place that significantly affects a candidate's chances, there's nothing lost in admitting weakness. Rather than claiming none exists, perhaps suggest ways in which the defect may not matter or might be mitigated. This again will encourage constructive debate rather than name-calling and "la la la I can't hear you my candidate is perfect" discussions that go nowhere.

5. Most of all, have empathy. Keep in mind people get very emotional during the primaries and pour their souls into working for their candidates. Treating that commitment with respect and patience will go a long way to avoiding useless flamewars, and instead maintain polite discussion. If you all expect reasonable debate for your candidate, you should never instigate or fuel the flames in discussions of a rival candidate.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:26 PM
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1. Well said. I find #4 to be important. Candidates are politicians and not perfect.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:38 PM
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6. The endless runarounds on in 2004 were really tiresome and mostly caused by that misconception
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:27 PM
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2. NEVER YOU DOUCHEBAG! PREPARE TO TASTE MY STEEL
Seriously though, it'll not work
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:27 PM
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3. I know. But it was fun to type!
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:31 PM
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5. *snort* I love this place.
Even with all the infighting. There's no better snark anywhere else on the internets.


:toast:
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:28 PM
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4. Are you trying to take the fun out of being a Democrat?
:beer:
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:58 AM
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13. I do my best to destroy all fun
:patriot:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:39 PM
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7. bookmarked
:thumbsup:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:43 PM
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8. The elections and primaries are almost TWO years away!!
LMAO!!!
Just because the MSM says we all need to discuss this now, doesn't mean we do! lol
I think it's silly...sort of. lol Cripes.
A lot can and will happen between now and next December,
when the real campaigning begins in earnest!

But I've already decided who I'm voting for!!

















NOT!!!! :rofl:
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:01 AM
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10. I doubt you were here for the 2004 primaries
It got very ugly very early--already familiar accusations are being thrown around.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:49 PM
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9. Wonderful sentiments, and I agree completely.
I'm afraid it will fall on deaf ears though, at least as far as the people who most need to hear it.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:20 AM
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12. Kind of a warm fuzzy Crunchy Frog eh?
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:05 AM
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11. yah, ty
good post! =)
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:16 AM
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14. Ain't gonna happen
It'll be just as ugly as last time. It would be nice if it weren't, but it's just a given that the same crap as last time is going to go down again. Politics has always been ugly like this, and unfortunately, that's just not going to change.

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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 01:59 PM
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15. I think it's probably going to be worse. The board is much more anonymous these days
The moderators are going to have a hell of a time.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 04:15 PM
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16. Really excellent points
I would hope everyone could keep this in mind. But I doubt it will happen. If people stop taking things so seriously maybe it would be a little better. I personally laugh sometimes at some of this really bad flameouts. They are just so silly sometimes. We all are different and are going to disagree alot. Thats the whole point of our party, I think :toleration of differences of opinion. And willingness to acknowledge that sometimes other people may have a different way of seeing things. Repubes are the nasty name callers. We are above that right?:) :) :)
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:19 PM
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19. We're not above that
But I think we are probably able to consider nastiness a bit more before we post it. ;-)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 05:46 PM
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17. Excellent. And if I might add a couple:
6. Ignore the assholes. Don't descend to their level.

7. Instead of complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio, increase the signal.

K&R!
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 01:25 AM
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18. #7 is very important
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