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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:20 PM Original message |
A question for military people... |
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unhappycamper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. The Marines are considered 'shock troops'. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:23 PM Original message |
It was 'The Fucking Army" in my day. |
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unhappycamper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. Mine too. n/t |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. Marines are part of the Navy . Different missions. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. That sound like an organizational or political division, not a practical one. |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. The Marines Are Part Of The Navy - Traditionally Used For Assaulting Beachheads Not A Standing Army |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. "Tradition" isn't relevant nowadays. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. The Marines are a self-sustaining unit with no visible supply trail. nt |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Marines And Army Are Two Entirely Different Military Organizations With Very Different Missions |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. the goals are not identical - nor are the weapons |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
8. Marines are cheaper cannon-fodder. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. They've got a 4 star now to argue their case. nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. The Marines are an expeditionary force. The Army is not, though they're trying to take the Marines' |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. That might not be a bad thing. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. The need for the mission and the money allocated for it would not disappear. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. False choice. |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Well, I suppose the Army could do the USMC's job........ |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Like the Coast Guard, the Marines have been grossly under-funded for their mission |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
11. Weren't the Marines largely absent from the ETO? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Correct. No USMC in ETO. But there was Army in PTO, but many Marines. nt |
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margotb822 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
13. ACk! Could a worse question be asked today?!? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Again, though, the difference sounds political. |
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margotb822 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Did you know the Navy has more pilots than the Air Force? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
61. We need to completely rethink the Air Force. nt |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
14. Being dedicated to ground combat doesn't mean their roles are the same |
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optimator (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
19. you are right. |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
20. They do different jobs. They are organized differently. They are equipped differently. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Different cultures. Hell, the Marines tried to tell the JCS that Vietnam was a no-go back in ''62.nt |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Not to mention their grumbling over OIF........ |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I'll probably be in a submarine ballcap. Keep the Tastee Faith! |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
21. The Marine Corps is a much more agile force |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Yours is the first post to really explain the difference. . |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. The agility I mentioned is carried over to their management..... |
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reformedrethug (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
57. Exactly |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
22. Marines trained in amphibious warfare. |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
27. Multiple redundancy |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. See, I actually think that we should get rid of all military divisions. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Most Nations Have a Military FAR smaller than ours |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. The size of our military is another matter entirely. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I agree with you, the point I'm trying to make is that |
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margotb822 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Civilian leadership |
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margotb822 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I challenge your definition of "need" |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. What about the British? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
35. I'm trying to figure out why, in this day and age, we haven't progressed beyond |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. We've made some strides towards it |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Because Corporations are private tyrannies, hence the need for propagandistic cover |
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margotb822 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Men |
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margotb822 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
36. If efficiency is your goal |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
44. Put 'em together and see what happens. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. been there |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. In an "oooh, sparkly!" way, or a "kaboom!" way? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
46. The army is the cleanup crew for the marines |
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margotb822 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. The Marines do the hard work for the Army |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Someone has to stop the bullets before they hit the valuable members of the military |
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mentalsolstice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
48. Two different missions. |
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margotb822 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Yes, if you look at the emblems |
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wayoutthere (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. True,,,, |
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reformedrethug (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Semper Fi |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
51. is there a difference...?? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
55. Well because the Marines are NOT dedicated to "ground" combat at all. |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
56. As a former Army infantryman. |
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reformedrethug (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Well I have a few things to add |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Thanks reformedrethug |
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