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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:34 PM
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The Day That A Neil Simon Play Is Considered Passé... Is The Day that Broadway is DEAD.
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 04:44 PM by Libertas1776
The day that a Neil Simon play is considered passé is the day that Broadway is dead.

This little rant that I am about to posit is a result of the closure of a revival of Neil Simon's classic, "Brighton Beach Memoirs," after only a week of performances and as a result, the complete scuttling of its sequel, "Broadway Bound" which was to play simultaneously with much of the same cast. Why? Because of poor ticket sales, despite the fact that Broadway ticket sales overall are doing quite well. The website of the play http://www.theneilsimonplays.com/


http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Neil+Simon+Plays+Brighton+Beach+Memoirs+Broadway+t_gjRc2msEMl.jpg
Left, the older Eugene Morris Jerome of "Broadway Bound," Josh Grisetti, Mother Jerome played by Laurie Metcalf, and of course, Neil Simon, as well as the young Eugene of "Brighton Beach memoirs," Noah Robbins. The Jerome Household in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn.

This article from the NY Daily News sums up a lot the current state of Broadway "Theater."
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/culture/2009/10/the-closing-of-brighton-beach.html

The Broadway audience, which highbrows condescended to, especially when it was at its height, in the decades after World War II, was certainly centered in New York. It was middle class (with significant exceptions both higher and lower on the social ladder.) It had a higher percentage of Jews than the population at large.

It also went way beyond the Hudson. In the decades after the war Broadway was a significant factor in middle class life all across the country. It was not only New Yorkers who knew Arthur Miller or Tennessee Williams (not to mention all the major figures of our musical theater.) Those names counted for something in every major city across the country, in part because their plays toured immediately after they finished their Broadway run, often with the original stars. That was how a little boy in Milwaukee (moi) became entranced with the theater.

The tourists who come to New York now, I'm afraid, are not really an audience. Their idea of entertainment is more likely a rock concert than an evening of theater. Seeing a Broadway show is one of the things they're supposed to do while they're here, like visiting the Statue of Liberty or riding the subway.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/culture/2009/10/the-closing-of-brighton-beach.html#ixzz0WUPqixS5


That pretty much sums up the Broadway theater goer of today, "their idea of entertainment is more likely a rock concert," which would probably explain the inexplicable flocking of people to "Rock of Ages" :puke:

or would much rather prefer to see big name pretty face actors like Jude Law in "Hamlet"
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_be6UWCLP7bU/Sh-i7KGg3YI/AAAAAAAAB_I/TuC84DHMrAA/s400/Jude+Law+as+Hamlet.png
or Hugh Jackman and Daniel Craig in "A Steady Rain."

Or even a nice, safe, kid friendly Disney production of "Mary Poppins" or the "Lion King."


A short description of "Memoirs" from Wikipedia...
Set in the Brighton Beach section of Brooklyn, New York in 1937, the coming-of-age comedy focuses on Eugene Morris Jerome, a Polish-Jewish teenager who experiences puberty, sexual awakening, and a search for identity as he tries to deal with his family, including his older brother Stanley, his parents Kate and Jack, as well as Kate's sister Blanche and her two daughters, Nora and Laurie.


A short description of "Broadway Bound" from Wikipedia...
The play is about Eugene and his older brother, Stanley, dealing with their parents' relationship falling apart as they are working together to becoming aspiring comedy writers for the radio, and, eventually, television.



For those of you that have seen a theatrical performance or big screen adaptation of this play, or by extention any other great Neil Simon play ( The Odd Couple , The Prisoner of Second Ave , Lost in Yonkers , The "Eugene Trilogy" ( Brighton Beach Memoirs , Biloxi Blues , Broadway Bound )just to name a few, as well as Simon's works that were exclusively made for the screen: The Out-of-Towners , The Lonely Guy , The Odd Couple Part II and so on) will understand the inestimable greatness and humor of this great American playwright and screenwriter.

To me, this is truly an indictment of the new Broadway audience and a general dumbing down of the American populace. Like the rest of New York today, its not about substance anymore. It's about glitz, big flashing lights, corporate sponsors, loud music, and big names. As for Neil Simon, Arthur Miller, and Tennessee Williams,...well...their just passé as far as modern theater is concerned. But for me, they, especially Neil Simon, will never be past their prime or outdated. They will survive and linger on in the conscious of the American theater-scape, on community stages and in non-profit theater groups, as long as there are people who appreciate their greatness and ability to capture the people's conscious.

I tip my hat to you, Mr Simon, and will be forever grateful for your contribution to American theatrical culture and comedy.



Rant Concluded. :hangover:
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:35 PM
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1. ENJOY WHAT I LIKE!
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:37 PM
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2. I always liked Simon.
I think I prefer Lost in Yonkers to Brighton Beach Memoirs, though.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:42 PM
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5. I also enjoyed
Lost in Yonkers. Brighton Beach Memoirs, Lost in Yonkers, and The Odd Couple are probably my top 3.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:38 PM
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3. Did you get a chance to see the play?
I heard that it was actually quite a good quality production.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:41 PM
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4. Sadly, no.
I had heard the good reviews and was really hoping to scrape some dough together and buy a ticket since it was supposed to play through December, but ended up only lasting a week. I am really disappointed.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:44 PM
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6. Perhaps people today no longer identify with that era.
Even a decade ago, people may have still had personal memories about that era, or the grandparents who lived it. Those people are mostly gone now, and the younger people are tied to a more modern time.

Maybe in a decade or so, those plays will be revived, and well-received again.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:00 PM
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11. Should that really make a difference? I love Shakespeare (who was the Neil Simon
of his day) and I don't identify with that era. (BTW, I'm not saying that Simon is as good as Ol' Will.)
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:01 PM
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13. That's my point.. ENOUGH time has passed for people to appreciate Shakespeare
Perhaps people once tired of Will too:)
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:21 PM
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14. Let us hope so
that people will one day come to appreciate again the works of Neil Simon and other like playwrights and make musical adaptations of Hollywood movies such as "Legally Blond," the last on their "to see" list.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:32 PM
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28. how often do shakespeare's plays end up on broadway..?
and not plays 'based' on shakespeare's works- but an actual shakespeare, in the original dialect.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:42 PM
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31. my guess would be ....never
but they are the basis for many "modern" plays & movies..

"Broadway" has kind of been limping along for a long time, since its heyday (the 50's & 60's)...for many reasons..

The cost of putting on a show have risen a lot, as have the ticket prices. People likes & dislikes are just different now..

And the cost of GOING to a show has gotten out of reach for most people:

http://www.talkinbroadway.com/bway101/6c.html

Top box-office price was $6.00, even higher than it's predecessor across the street. John Raitt played "Liliom", now called "Billy Bigelow", and Jan Clayton was "Julie". Defying the standard musical theater convention of the boy and girl together for the happily ever after at the end, Rodgers and Hammerstein created a darker musical drama.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:44 PM
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32. television is also a very big part of the equation.
people don't have to go to the theatre to be entertained.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:01 PM
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34. i found him boring 30 years ago. even moreso now.
off b'way is better. Not Disnified.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:52 PM
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7. Disney killed Broadway.
I love Disney's musical films, but they suck on stage.

Not a fan of Andrew Lloyd Webber either.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:55 PM
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8. I agree. nt
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:57 PM
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9. I love musicals, and can't stand Andrew Lloyd Webber. Saw a good show at the
Schubert a couple of weeks ago, though, MEMPHIS.

http://www.memphisthemusical.com/
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:38 PM
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22. +1
Right on both counts.

Both are shallow and witless.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:58 PM
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10. This was its FIRST Broadway revival. Kind of surprising. Not like it's been done to death.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:00 PM
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12. That is what was so damn surprising
and so damn depressing.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:33 PM
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15. I was in The Good Doctor in community theater...
...with a young Stephen Colbert. He sneezed down the back of my neck, if you know the play.

I think highly of Plaza Suite and The Odd Couple.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:42 PM
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16. You got Atriosed!
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 05:42 PM by BlooInBloo
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:55 PM
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18. Wow,
that was fast. Geez, I was just making your average DU ramble, I didn't realize it was gonna be posted somewhere else with nearly 200 comments...about what, I have no idea. :crazy:
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:44 PM
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17. here's how most of his plays have weathered the test of time:
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 05:45 PM by Gabi Hayes




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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:05 PM
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19. Ouch.
I'll admit that was clever. And the last pic is just terrifying. :rofl:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:35 PM
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30. it took me a minute to realize the lips were photoshopped onto the eyes...
with keith- anything is possible.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:30 PM
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35. "With keith- anything is possible"
:rofl:
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:10 PM
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20. "Brighton Beach" gets done to death, though
I remember my high school put it on my freshman year. Everywhere I've been, every community theatre and high school puts it on. There may be a feeling of "How many times have I seen this?". Sometimes a show needs a little break to clear from collective memory.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:35 PM
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21. Just another Dion Boucicault flash in the pan. nt.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:43 PM
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23. theater goes in cycles as themes within plays are picked up decades later and made relevant again.
Good example was South Pacific making a huge come back. Yes, I know it's a musical.

At some point in the future, a director will take Simon's plays out again it will resonate with the times.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:50 PM
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24. One day you're hailed for blazing trails...
you know the rest!


The starts never stop shining. You just can't see them some times. They always come back.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:26 PM
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27. Nicely put. nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:59 PM
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25. Good Post...Thanks! K&R!
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:07 PM
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37. Thanks. nt
:hi:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:08 PM
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26. Meh
Simon is fine and the cast is fine but frankly I'd rather see something else. If I ever get a chance to visit NYC, I would probably go find some Off-Off-Off-Broadway production. Having spent a long time in the theater, glossy professional shows tend to piss me off because I know all the tricks. I'd rather patronize some hungry company that needs my money as well as my butt in the seat.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:33 PM
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29. Wasn't it on 43rd Street?
I know I saw it. I thought it was on the street behind the Hilton that I stayed in a few weeks ago.

I was up with the delivery guys drinking coffee smoking cigarettes and getting ready for a run to Central Park.

I remember thinking-Wow that is STILL playing, great!

Mary Poppins was right down the street. I couldn't believe that that was still playing.

We saw PHANTOM- my first broadway show, pretty cool but the seats were unbelievably uncomfortable and the place was a fire hazard.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:58 PM
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33.  "what have you done lately" syndrome
He hasn't had a play run over two months in over eight years.

Just like the success of the output of musicians, hits breed more hits.

Also there's the bias of New York critics at play here.

Simon writes for films and *gasp* TV. Critics hate that.

Also, he's been reworking and revisiting his old stuff. (The Sunshine Boys movie, The Odd Couple II, The Goodbye Girl musical...) Critics hate that, also.

Unfortunately, the public reads and listens to critics, whether they know what they're talking about or not.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:47 PM
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36. Sorry, I have to disagree...
First of all, BRIGHTON BEACH MEMOIRS isn't that old, and maybe isn't quite ready for a revival. And there's always the possibilty that the audience didn't think the cast or production was that good.
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bob h Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 10:31 AM
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38. I Agree
Edited on Wed Nov-11-09 10:34 AM by bob h
I saw Brighton Beach Memoirs in previews, and was really looking forward to Broadway Bound. The closing was a very sad comment on the state of theater appreciation today, as you say. Unless a show has Jude Law or some well-known TV star, it is a dicey situation. The Broadway audience is full of slob tourists who don't bother to turn off their cellphones.

I would also add that certain influential NYC theater critics do not help the situation at all with many shows. So often their reviews are too subjective and seem intended to demonstrate their ultra-rarefied sensitivity and taste; shows that may not be perfect but are well worth seeing are forced to close. You may have only one chance in your life to see certain shows, yet people pass because of too picky, petulant reviews.

As a theater lover who probably sees 60 shows a year, I am very sad.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 04:34 PM
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39. "their reviews are subjective...intended to demonstrate their ultra-rarefied sensitivity and taste"
Describes them to a T.
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