When y'all get done sticking your noses into other people's business,

[Skidmore]

perhaps we can get back to stopping a war and actually working on some major policy issues. If you don't want someone else telling you how to live, who to sleep with, where to travel, etc. ad nauseum, what gives you the moral superiority to decide what type of lightbulbs a person should buy and when they should change them? If you want personal liberty for yourself and have spent the last decade descrying the intrusiveness of the Republics into your business, then let people make their own choices. Isn't the freedom to make choices what we've said it is all about?

[sojourner]

1. AMEN!!!!!

[Eurobabe]

2. Maybe it IS all the CON ops on DU trying to stir up trouble n/t

We need to call Terminix. Pronto

[theHandpuppet]

4. Oh I think they've been quite busy

And transparent as well.

[JNelson6563]

22. And to deflect attention

I marvel that there has been infinitely more talk of Edwards' house than of the Libby trial here at DU. How effective the trolls have been and how pliable we DUers have been!!

Of course it's gotten to the point where I can't tell the Dems attacking their candidate's competition from the Freeper trolls. Sad state of affairs. I am holding out hope the DU Admis will get things under control.

Julie

[Norquist Nemesis]

51. Well said, Julie!

Late last night, I checked the AP wire and saw a headline about Lieberman supporting the Republican in 2008. Didn't have a chance to read the piece, and I figured there would thread after thread about it for me to catch up here so no big deal.

Apparently, it wasn't. hmmmmm

[bigluckyfeet]

57. Who Can we talk About

without getting attacked.

[Patiod]

32. We do a great job ourselves without con ops

I doubt the Great Olive Garden War, the Breastfeeding Debates, the ongoing Walmart-Hating (of which I'm guilty), the Blood-Diamond Condemnation and the incessant Chicken Threads were instigated from outside.

[Porcupine]

61. Chicken threads? I missed the chicken threads?

Somebody please give me a link.

Edwards house sniping-double check, Olive Garden- check, Breastfeeding-check, Walmart-hating-check, Blood-diamond condemnation-check, you missed Nukes vs. Crunchies in E/E-check, also I/P-check. (to my credit I stay out of the Gungeon)

Exactly what do you people think we can do about the Scooter Libby trial? Judges are jelous of their perogitves so we have to wait until they're done and Bush pardons Scooter in Jan. '09 as planned.

[Patiod]

62. The chicken thread wars are a foggy memory

All I remember is that someone suggested coating chicken with corn flakes, then all hell broke loose

I did indeed miss Nukes vs. Crunchies, and intentionally stay FAR away from I/P or the Gungeon whenever possible.

I have to say I was happy to have GLBT available when I needed advice about what (if anything) to say to a friendly closeted co-worker who I spotted hiding from me at a gay-themed play, but that's their own space, so I keep my unsolicited hetero opinions out of there.

[liberal N proud]

3. Thank you

Glad to hear some common sense.

[maine_raptor]

5. Well said. n/t

[wakeme2008]

6. kick and nom from a upscale cruise lover

:)



Oh so bad,,, all the fish eggs you want to eat,, snails,,, buffalo,,,,all the booze you want... Me so bad...

[The2ndWheel]

7. We all tell each other how to live

"When y'all get done sticking your noses into other people's business, perhaps we can get back to stopping a war and actually working on some major policy issues."

See.

The thing is nobody is stopping anyone from doing this or that with a lightbulb. Complaining on the internet and actually stopping someone are two different things. Just like everything else, it'll pass as time flies by. Then there will be a bigger house and more lightbulbs at some point. There will be even more important policy issues to deal with. Then we'll get crazy about all that, then there will be a bigger house and even more lightbulbs. Then we'll add some more major policy issues. Then we'll all go nuts about that, and then an even bigger house will be there, with 4 times as many lightbulbs. There will be even bigger policy issues we have to deal with. We'll go all insane about all that, and then an even bigger house will be built.

[Skidmore]

10. Bottom line is that you only have control over your own behavior

and beyond that you can only teach and hope others listen. They will make their own choices. Take care of your own business. I don't know about you but the more someone tries to force me to do something, the more I resist doing it.

[The2ndWheel]

21. Couldn't agree more

But then America(and really any expanding cirlce of power) wouldn't exist if people didn't force others to conform to their way of doing things.

Your issue with control goes far beyond lightbulbs though. You're talking about an issue that has been around for thousands of years. The scale of that control only grows as we go.

The problem is we're all trying to be something we're not. We're a small scale species(taking care of our own business), but we've created this large scale world where we seem to have to care about things that people that we'll never meet do with their business, no matter what it is. It can be building a house, it can be starting a war. Not comparing the two, but we all have to care about everything, while only taking care of our own business, but the things that happen half way around the world effect everyone, but we have our own things to worry about, etc, etc, etc. There is a reason we're all insane.

[Skidmore]

31. If we all took care of our business in a manner that was friendly

to the planet and each other then the rest would take care of itself. The incentive to live this way needs to be there and the desire to must come from within.

[RiverStone]

43. oops

Sorry -responded to wrong post :)

[democrank]

8. Sorry, Skidmore....

I`m so busy comparing candidates` house sizes that I don`t have time to think about the loss of habeas corpus or secret torture prisons or body parts strewn on Iraqi roadsides.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

9. exactly. nt

[salin]

11. or the lbn story about a bloodbank now taking DNA

for a Pentagon research project - and giving people an OPT OUT rather than an OPT IN ?? Stuff like that?

[Porcupine]

12. Sorry, return to your regularly scheduled war......

that is there to loot energy resources. Never mind us environmentalists; it's not like we have a choice OTHER than the Democratic party. Why should we try to influence candidates.

Edwards sucks on the war and bankruptcy too.

[MannyGoldstein]

13. Sorry - I Think You're Missing the Point

We are in such a bad situation - war in Iraq, destruction of the Middle Class - because we were stupid enough to elect a bunch of phonies that called themselves Democrats, but were actually triangulating shills for the Predator Class.

If we don't weed these scoundrels out now, we'll just have more wars, and further sodomizing of the Middle Class.

[Skidmore]

14. No, I'm not missing the point.

If you are going to focus dishonesty, pick something more meaningful and less laughable than what type of lighbulbs a person buys. Try calling people on their actual votes in congress and be willing to support someone else or vote them out. Ask them hard questions about the policies they embrace. There's a way to do that which reflects the needs of the greater society as a whole. Why should you rail on one household's lightbulbs when whole industries are not required to meet standards?

[MannyGoldstein]

17. I Agree to Some Degree. But...

I'm more of a fan of calling people on votes and similar actions. However, I think that building an resource-decimating royal palace tells us much about a person. In this case, it is a powerful confirmation of Edwards' record, e.g., sponsoring the IWR - he is a phony, a selfish opportunist.

[NorthernSpy]

23. thank you for saying that!

"... triangulating shills for the Predator Class"


That's perfect!


:toast:

[MannyGoldstein]

26. You're Welcome!

I'm so tired of these phonies hiding behind some faux standard that somehow, if they call themselves a Democrat, they can pillage at will as long as they suck slightly less than the Republicans.

[Jim Sagle]

15. Fuckin' A.

[NorthernSpy]

16. ask Edwards when HE will be done sticking his nose in OUR business...

Edwards on medical marijuana.

[MannyGoldstein]

19. How Dare You?

He's rich. Why should we treat him the way he treats us?

[JVS]

33. The cheekyness of it all!

[seabeyond]

18. not a chance. i have seen more threads on this board justifyiing dictating

life choices than i have even seen from the right and i am totally appalled at what i am seeing the democratic party are saying that they are. in all areas of our lives i am hearing demands to pass law to dictate and eliminate choice of all kind. a scary world. i thought we were stepping out of it in 2006 election. i dont like seeing where we are stepping in today. my only hope is that a message board is different from the actual party that is passing law, but wit some of the nation wide laws, i think not.

[Skidmore]

24. Way back last year I started a thread on whether there was such a thing

as a liberal libertarian and it generated some good discussion. Well, I'm firmly a liberal with a strong libertarian streak.

[seabeyond]

27. me too.... sheeeit i never even thought much about it until here on this

board. but it is like a whole lot of my authoratarian mother in laws telling me, a 45 yr old woman, to put my coat on to go outside..... i dont tell her what to do, but she is damn sure not gonna tell me what to do.

[mondo joe]

37. I'm with you. When cons decide I have the wrong sex and liberals decide I have the wrong lightbulbs

I think it might be time to leave the country.

[IronLionZion]

50. Where would you go?

America is among the more libertarian countries. Europe tends to have more economic restrictions. The rest of the world tends to have more social restrictions.

[mondo joe]

53. That's the challenge.

I could stand up better to the economic restrictions, if I had to choose.

The truth, however, is that I'm not going anywhere. Just feeling the urge to get out.

[IronLionZion]

47. I agree with you Skidmore

I also identify myself as a liberal libertarian because I believe you ought to have the right to do what you want to do without anyone having too much control over our personal lives. And I get flak from both the liberal and conservative sides for it.

And one just does not come up from the streets and move into to the white house. Politicians have money. That's how it works in most countries.

I honestly don't care if my political leaders are "of the people" as long as they are "FOR the people". In fact, I find it refreshing when someone doesn't pretend to be something they are not. Kerry snowboarding is more honest than Bush's bullshit "ranching".

[IronLionZion]

52. Have you checked out the Democratic Freedom Caucus?

We do exist and we even have our own caucus. Russ Feingold is a proud libertarian Democrat.

And check out Taxpayers for Common Sense. www.taxpayer.net for politicians of both parties who are careful spending our tax dollars and root out waste and bureacracy.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

20. I agree

When people become strident, dogmatic, obsessive, intolerant ... they lose more than they gain.

[Skidmore]

25. Yep, the Republics learned that the hard way...or at least some

of them did. I'm not for Dems getting that way at all.

[mrcheerful]

30. And the funny thing about all of this is, almost everyone except the wealthy are being forced to cut

back on everything because of the high cost of energy and gasoline products. So they drive less, wear more clothes in their homes which are darker then they were 6 years ago. Yard lights are off more then they are on in some neighborhoods, porch lights are only used to see who's pounding on your door, instead of driving 30 miles to save 30 cents on a pound of hamburg people are paying the extra 30 cents per pound. And its not enough to even dent the consumption going on? Same old neo con tactic, get everyone to look at the guy next door and not at whats really going on across the other side of the tracks.

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't find wearing sweaters all day long and having to wear shoes and socks from the time I get up to the time I go to bed comfortable and I haven't a choice in the matter because I can't afford a higher heating bill. My vehicle sits most of the month, I only use it for doctor visits, to get food once a month and to pay bills. Which is the only time I get to go out to eat. Anything I need extra is done on the way to or the way back from the doctors, I plan my route so I don't back track,and keep most of my stops so I'm making right hand turns instead of left turns across traffic, that way I don't have to wait for an opening. My gasoline usage has went from $130 a month down to $40 and theres clowns telling me I consume to much.

Edited to add, Edwards buying a big house is not my business anymore then its my business to tell others how to live or spend their money. Thats what pukes and religious nuts do and I refuse to become one of those types.

[xultar]

28. Great Post!

[demnan]

29. Thank you

We do have a meaningless war and an insane madman to stop. Let's let 2008 take care of itself.

[meow mix]

34. he stuck his nose into my business first by asking for my vote..

so i wouldnt expect my reverse nose-sticking to end any time soon

[seabeyond]

35. i guess then, the repugs have their exact same valid reason to have gone

after clinton for the blow job.

fair enough.

[meow mix]

41. a pre-primary scuffle among a parties voters hardly compares

to what you have brought up. thats like apples and uh.. hippopotamuses

[seabeyond]

42. no.... clinton asked for the nations vote. ergo..... they get to yell about what offends

it offends the christian right blow job outside of marriage. this offends the left for so many reasons as we have seen. your right to make a to do because he asked for vote. their right to make a to do cause clinton asked for the vote. no hippo, apples or oranges, donkeys or elephants

[meow mix]

44. ooh i see yah..

republicans promote over-consumption so edwards would be thier favorite?
:shrug:
just trying to figure how that comparison works during a democratic party primary, clinton only had to deal with republicans that time.

[mondo joe]

48. Bravo, seabeyond! NT

[treestar]

36. Is this a house thread?

:rofl:

[Annces]

38. Thanks for helping with the sheepherding

We really do get out of line sometimes.

(sarcasm)

[leftofthedial]

39. we're not talking about just "a person"

we're talking about someone who wants to lead our country in a time of the greatest convergence of crises the planet has ever faced.

I'm sorry you don't consider global climate change and the class war to be "major policy issues." We apparently still have some serious educational work to do here at DU.

[madokie]

40. sometimes like children, so easy to distract

I just try to avoid the devisive issues, in my opinion there is nothing to be gained by either side, except maybe being pissed off, I'm already taking meds for hypertension and don't need any stimulus

[ima_sinnic]

45. who I sleep with and where I travel hurts no one else . . .

but taking more than my share of resources does.
If people are too irresponsible, uncaring, and greedy about the planet and their fellow citizens, then, yes, laws have to be made and I WILL make it my business to know what people who want to "represent" me are up to.

[mondo joe]

49. The cons can come up with just as many reasons why your sex life can

impact others - rate of STD transmission, cost of AIDS care, blah blah blah blah blah.

[nam78_two]

59. Global warming....blah blah blah....

Thats a scary attitude...We have a serious global crisis on our hands..

[RiverStone]

46. Yes and no...

Well, on the point of getting back to stopping a war and working on major policy issues - YES! I agree 100% there. So is not your post itself - more of not talking about the important stuff?

As far as other people's business...what we do both individually and collectively as a society does impact this one great earth. It is relevant because of the Global Warming crisis. This includes building either commercial or residential homes that are as energy wise as possible. I wish it were not true, but for my children's generation and their kids after that - what we ALL do today (politician or not) does impact us all.

per Al Gore:

www.climatecrisis.net /

[The2ndWheel]

54. I'm not saying don't talk about important stuff

But everyone has their own important issue. If someone feels like this is a part of an important issue, they have to take care of their own business in that regard. I know I have my own issues I feel are important that nobody else really finds all that pressing, so, importance is in the eye of the beholder.

Like I'm saying, we're a small scale species. No one person, group, nation, hemisphere, etc, should have as much impact as any of them have. The fact that any of them do is a major part of the mess we're in. We want more and more all the time. To keep up, everyone else has to have more and more all the time. Then to simply survive, everyone needs even more on top of that.

[Raffi Ella]

55. .

BRAVO!BRAVO!BRAVO! Well said!! :applause:

[specimenfred1984]

56. You mean like the Sheehan-haters?

I stood up for her and got told off and cut off.

You are not required to like anyone to post on DU, that's what I was told.

[mzmolly]

58. Well said!

Recommended.

[liberal renegade]

60. We all

earn our money and it is ours to spend as we wish. whether your rich or dirt fucking poor, it tain't nobody's bizness but your own...