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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:09 AM
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Surging Anger
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 10:18 AM by Plaid Adder
The other day I went to a wedding where one of the guests, a young man in his late 20s, was scheduled to ship out to Iraq this week. I only know this because the priest conducted a blessing for him at the reception.

You know, I have been ranting for weeks on end about the idiocy of The Surge, but it wasn't until that moment that I really felt my own anger about it. Constant readers know that I was against the invasion of Iraq as soon as they started talking about it. I thought the Iraq war was a crime and a shame and a box of trouble no sane person would want to open then, all the way back in 2002 when we were being lied to about all those weapons of mass destruction about which you never hear any more. Now here it is January 2007, and approximately 70% of the country has finally come around to that view of the Iraq war. In addition, between 2002 and 2007 Bush has finally demonstrated something which we on the anti-war side claimed but could not prove in 2002: that the kind of war we are stuck fighting in Iraq is not winnable. As much as they keep mouthing about how "failure is not an option," the truth is that in a situation such as this, victory is not an option. We are stuck trying to prop up a government that does not have enough popular support to survive on its own--and which is actually going to become weaker and less powerful the more closely Iraqis associate it with the invading army that destroyed their society and failed to rebuild it, viz., us. According to a recent piece in the Washington Post, al-Maliki doesn't even want more US troops in Baghdad--no doubt because he's figured out that hanging with Bush and his pals is not making him any more popular or increasing his life expectancy. I listen to them blathering about how much it would suck and how bad it would be for Iraq to "turn into a failed state," and I think why yes, it does suck, and it is bad, and IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. That state has failed about as spectacularly as a state can. I mean, I suppose it hasn't quite reached Rwandan proportions yet, but you know, if we just involve ourselves for another few years in this civil war, I'm sure we can inflame those tensions until they erupt into full-blown machete-wielding genocide.

Anyway. So "the surge" is not a solution; it's an escalation of the problem. And here is this guy about ten years younger than me, standing up there getting all the prayers of the assembled crowd that he might come back safe. And I hope the blessing comforted him and his family and friends; but it doesn't change the fact that he's on his way to a situation in which the best case scenario is that he kills a lot of people, doesn't get hurt himself, and comes home whole in body but vastly changed in mind and spirit. And for what? What purpose will his sacrifice, and the sacrifices made by all the people who love him and want him to be safe, serve?

I don't see that there is one, apart from maybe propping up al-Maliki long enough for the final collapse to occur under a Democratic president, or maybe allowing Bush to believe for a few more months that he has not been a complete, utter, catastrophic failure. I don't even see that it will allow us to secure Iraq's oil, as I think it is clear that al-Maliki's government is and will always be unable to deliver on any promises it may make to us, legislatively or otherwise. None of the rhetorically proferred purposes--spreading democracy in the Middle East, protecting America from Al-Qaeda--are, at this point, real possibilities. None of the real possibilities are worth a drop of human blood. They're certainly not worth the suffering this guy and his near and dear will soon be going through. And they're not worth the death, carnage, mayhem and terror that will go reeking through Baghdad with new speed and vigor once "the surge" hits town.

I know there has been a lot of debate about whether Congress should push for impeachment hearings against Bush. I think I have changed my mind about this. I think it must be done, whatever the short-term political cost. Bush has already made it clear that he has no interest in following the rule of law or in listening to the American people. As long as he is in power, he will continue to prosecute this war as aggressively and as stupidly as he can. He is not just out of touch; he is out of control, and he needs to be stopped before he kills again. Removing him from office is the only way to do it. Him, and Cheney, who is apparently just as batshit crazy as his figurehead, from all you hear.

:argh:

The Plaid Adder
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:21 AM
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1. K&R, BIGTIME!
An incredibly powerful piece!!!

:kick:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:22 AM
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2. Imipeach the Decider. K&R
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:30 AM
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3. Amen, sister.
Let's all stay focused on stopping the war NOW.
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:42 AM
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4. Very powerful piece... K & R n/t
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:50 AM
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5. Bush already said what he cares about and it is not Iraq
"The challenge playing out across the broader Middle East is more than a military conflict. It is the decisive ideological struggle of our time."


that is what Bush said when he announced the Surge.

Bush is on a Crusade.

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QMPMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:52 AM
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6. Very well said. k&r.
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DaveT Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:59 AM
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7. I'm on board for impeachment. But where to we get 67 votes
in the Senate?

The habit of "blaming the Dems" for the fact that we don't control the government is one we can't afford.

We, the People, should pressure the Congress, collectively, to impeach and remove Bush. We, the progressive community, should recognize that the task at hand is to formulate an appeal to the independents, moderates and objective conservatives in this country to support the defenestration of Bush.

This is not helped by indignant sneering at the "gutlessness" of the Dems.

Plaid Adder did not go there, and I'm in agreement with his post. But, any regular reader of this website knows what I'm talking about. . . .
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:09 AM
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8. We Get Them One At A Time, and At an Accelerating Rate
Those votes are out there already, just waiting for a lull in the surf to jump in and sink this phony Ship of State.
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:09 AM
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9. Word to the mutha
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:16 AM
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10. impeachment is the only solution
this debate about 20,000 troops misses the point that the war was worng is wrong and must end asap because it is completely lost. How many more must die for this mistake?
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:24 AM
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11. impeach somebody, anybody.
bush
chency
gonzo
condi
alito
scalia
any of them. just knock the fucking wheels off this fucking killing machine.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 07:43 PM
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33. knock the fucking wheels off this fucking killing machine.
Well said and I agree.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:26 AM
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12. impeach somebody, anybody.
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 11:26 AM by mopinko
bush
chency
gonzo
condi
alito
scalia
any of them. just knock the fucking wheels off this fucking killing machine.


oops dupe. but i think it bears repeating, anyway.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:43 AM
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13. My dad called on Sunday, furious. He was spitting the words out he
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 11:48 AM by The Backlash Cometh
was so angry. He couldn't believe that 19 of our soldiers died in one day and there was no national outrage over it. I filled him in on what was happening on DU, and brought up Lieberman. My dad, someone who once believed in Lieberman, reached his own conclusion: Lieberman is too religiously tied to Israel to be making objective decisions for his American constituents. Anyways, he excused himself and hung up because the next Sunday morning head show was starting.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:34 PM
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26. ... and the 'count' for Saturday is now 25.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:44 AM
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14. And for what? (Answer is in my DU avatar.)
"Sacrifice" (for them...), anyone?

No: IMPEACH, INDICT, IMPRISON.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:45 AM
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15. Pladder, you have a wonderful was of speaking from the heart
You are truly blessed.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:53 AM
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16. At last, someone says it boldly: "Victory is not an option."
Our democratic society works because it is part of a whole: a society that is not linked to religion and is not coping with sectarian groups, among many other factors. You can't take one part of the organization of our society, and stick it into a hodgepodge of other social situations, and expect it to work as it does here.

A dictatorship is an ugly thing, but in a sectarian society that is always on the verge of civil war, it can at least be effective, if far from preferred or ideal. Saddam ruled with an iron hand not just because he wanted to, but because he HAD to (and watched his back every second). The one saving grace was his secular outlook, which gave women and minority groups considerable freedoms - for that region, anyway.

Iraqis may like the idea of a democracy, but they have no concept of how to make it function in their society, especially with the gross added burdens that have been imposed by war's destruction. If we pull out all our troops tomorrow, the outcome would be no different from pulling them out two years from now. There would be about six months of chaos, then a few failed regimes, and eventually the strongest figure would emerge and take control, restoring order: Saddam, the Sequel.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:17 PM
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18. The plan from the start was permanent occupation...
The deaths of Americans and Iraqis is just a cost of doing business. Meanwhile, Bush's sponsors will get control of the oil being pumped out of Iraq. They will have the permanent bases and the Imperial Embassy in Baghdad to protect the flow. That is the purpose of their obstinacy in the face of overwhelming disapproval from the American voters and world opinion.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:12 AM
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42. Well said.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 05:58 PM
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30. I gotta argue with you on this one:
Iraqis may like the idea of a democracy, but they have no concept of how to make it function in their society...

I hear this a lot, and I just have to say: we don't know whether democracy would ever work in Iraq or not. It has never really been tried. Democracy is not something that we could ever have "spread" to Iraq; something being imposed upon you by an invading army is by definition not a government chosen by the people being governed. It is easy enough, as we have proved in Iraq, to remove a dictator, but that's not the same thing as creating a democracy--as we have also proved in Iraq. Despite all the "elections," the basic fact that the system they were part of was devised by an invading power in cooperation with its handpicked Iraqi "leaders" meant that even if everything went according to plan, it wouldn't really have been a democracy--at least not until the US army had withdrawn, a couple generations' worth of time had passed, and people had forgotten that government's origins.

Plus, and this is not a direct response to your comment, it's just a rant that has been bottled up inside me for quite some time:

It pisses me off when I hear people complaining about how basically, the mess Iraq is in is somehow the result of "the Iraqi people" just not wanting democracy enough. IMHO, you could go to any country in the world and poll the entire population about their preferred form of government and about 70-80% of the population would tell you that what they really care about is being able to get to work in the morning. Civil wars and revolutions are typically fought by self-appointed elites who have decided that they--and everyone around them--need to pay the price in order to get the desired form of government. These elites may constitute only 10-20% of the total population, but if they're heavily armed and committed, they can still do a lot of damage. I listen to our politicians talk about this, and I just wonder if any of them have any idea of how the minds of ordinary people work. The reason most people put up with being governed is that they believe they get some benefit out of it. One of those benefits is protection from violence and crime. In our own society, there are some populations who are clearly much better protected than others, but if you're white and middle class you can be more or less confident that until you anger it, the state will more or less be able to prevent you from being killed, raped, robbed, attacked, rortured, etc. in the streets or in your own home. Nobody in Iraq has that kind of confidence in their government--because nobody in Iraq is actually safe from that kind of violence. They don't have a government right now, they have total bloody anarchy. "The Iraqi people", at least the portion of them that haven't actually taken up arms yet, can't turn Iraq into a democracy just by getting together and believing in it really hard. The militias would have to be decommissioned first, and neither the government nor the US Army is able to do that.

The fact that the state cannot protect the citizens loyal to it is how we know that the state has ALREADY FAILED. Unless you are a highly principled or highly fanatical person, you are not going to support a government if that government cannot stop its enemies from killing you because you support the government. That's really what it comes down to, and I don't see that sending 21,000 troops to Baghdad is going to improve that situation. Since we clearly do not know how to improve it, it doesn't matter how many troops we have with which to make it worse.

:argh: :argh: :argh:

The Plaid Adder

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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:11 AM
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41. Thanks for the very sharp and wise commentary.
I did not mean to say that the Iraqi people did not want democracy; it's just so extremely difficult to insert a new system of government into their current, and long-standing, social order. But as you say, with time, perhaps. And absolutely, it cannot be thrust upon them by an occupying army.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 12:05 PM
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17. Reality
Reality is, as you say,

"turn into a failed state," and I think why yes, it does suck, and it is bad, and IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. That state has failed about as spectacularly as a state can.

The truth is that we should be turning our attention to facing that reality and determining how we can best deal with the failed state that is Iraq at the moment and keep it from (eventually) threatening our security or the security of our interests in the region. We need to understand and deal with the fact that Civil War has ensued and the only way that Civil war will end is with a military victory on one side or the other...we just need to keep Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia from actively engaging in it and making a civil war a regional conflict...
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:32 PM
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19. Ain't that what Saddam was doing (in his own "criminal" way)?
"we just need to keep Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia from actively engaging in it and making a civil war a regional conflict..."

Oh, I forgot. That "criminal" dictator wasn't murdering enough innocents and he was about to sell Iraq's oil in Euros, so Bu$hitliar lied about him being buddy-buddy with the CIA's paid "terrarists" and now kills more innocents than the previous dictator ever did in his entire reign...

Bring the boys 'n' girls back home.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:30 PM
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22. Bitter, bitter irony.....
that Saddam was inadvertantly preserving our interests in the middle east...in that,

he was keeping Al Queda out of Iraq.

he was keeping Sunni, Kurd and Shiia from killing each other (sometimes brutally surpressing one side or the other)

he was keeping Iraq from becoming an Islamic Fundamentalist State

he was keeping Iran at bey

On the negative side....

he brutally surpessed anyone who opposed him
he allowed his sons to run rampant, killing, raping and torturing at their pleasure
he supported Hezbollah terrorists in Palestine against Israel
he could have eventually developed chemical and nuclear weapons....

I'm sure there's more I've forgotten on each side of the ledger....
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:33 PM
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20. Like I said a few days ago....
Bush shouldn`t be sitting on a comfortable chair, he should be on a cement slab....in prison. Impeach the SOB.
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winga222 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:38 PM
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21. As always, PA is a pleasure to read
Putting so well what so many of us feel.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:31 PM
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23. Oops!
Posted twice already and forgot to say Thank You PA! for another grreat post... :hi:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:42 PM
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24. right on!~
B*SH'S actions remind me of the dad in LOTR: Two Towers who sends Faramir off to a battle knowing full well that this particular battle would be a suicide mission for his warriors, only because of the dad's desire for obedience that he is master, and his own ego and pride....





www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:27 PM
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25. K&R. (nt)
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:48 PM
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27. Bravo
To all the freepers who voted for this criminal from all of us who didn't: We tried to tell you. How do you like his "resolve" now that he's ignoring the will of the American people?
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:54 PM
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28. Thank you PA. Your post, and the thoughtful replies, sum up this mess
..perfectly!
As Nance said, BIG K&R!
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 04:37 PM
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29. The ball is in the democrats' court...
When our democratic leaders tell Bush, "this surge will not not funded", he sends the troops anyway... Why are we letting Bush back us in a corner?

Nancy Pelosi should say...We'll fund the safe return of our troops and NOTHING ELSE!

We have to get our troops home ASAP. IF we fund this surge Bush won't put the money towards the safty of our troops...he'll use the moeny to expand the war into Iran.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 06:07 PM
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31. K & R for the TRUTH!
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 06:09 PM
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32. Amen
They are running amok. They think they are the ruling class. They have no concept that they are the servants of the people. Get them out. Impeach. Start with Bush, Cheney, Gonzales. Then we'll see where we are. No need to investigate, per se. Just cull from the publicly available records.
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Rubio2001 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:58 PM
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34. All Emotion - No Substance
I think this article probably sums up the opinion of many Democrats and is lacking in one important aspect that unfortunately runs in most Democratic circles - that is the inability to articulate and differentiate the emotional ramblings of people who disagree with this war and this president and instead come up with any reasonable alternatives both in Iraq and in the United States.

The basic argument since the elections as described in this rant and elsewhere is that the Bush is dumb and we should bring the boys home. Well yes, the Bush has a room temperature IQ, and yes I certainly do wish that the solders in Iraq were coming home soon. I know that, and I think the longer this president is in office the more people will start to wonder what the hell they were smoking when they made the decision to vote for this guy not only in 2000 but again in 2004 - the last time I looked we did elect this guy TWICE. However, what is done is done and this country had better start to focus on what we are going to do on a go forward basis instead of just complaining about things that we can no longer do anything about.

The Bush will be president for almost two more years. That will not change. Scream for impeachment, complain about Cheney, hope little Scooter Libby gets more than a spanking, whatever, but please come up with some ideas that will at least give Iraq and the Iraqi people a chance. I haven't heard any good ideas yet and I'm waiting for any of the Democratic 'rock star' presidential candidates to come up one. As a Democratic myself I worry that I will be waiting a long, long time.

By the way, did you even talk with that soldier and ask him what he thought about the war? Did you ask him his opinion of duty and honor? I doubt it.

Also, I couldn't help but take notice of your 'best case scenario.' I believe we used to call soldiers like him in Vietnam baby killers when the people turned on that war also - are you are suggesting the same thing here? You already assume 'the best case scenario' is that he will be a mass murderer. Are you going to spit on him also when he comes back?
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:25 PM
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36. "I haven't heard any good ideas yet and I'm waiting for any of the Democratic 'rock star' ...
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 11:33 PM by ariellyn
presidential candidates to come up one."

WHY?

Why do you expect ANYBODY other than the people who created this problem to come up with a solution? You glibly state that Bush will remain in office and nobody can do anything about it--people can scream, protest, do whatever to rail against him--but it will all be in futility. And so you look to democrats to do something while excusing Bush?

That's the kind of absurd, irresponsible, hypocritical, sociopathic thinking that is characteristic of Bushites.

There is no easy solution to the complex problem that Bush and his ilk have created. Bush created the problem. Let him solve it.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:37 AM
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40. Your a Democrat...
Where the fuck are your answers? If you don't have any, I suggest you tone down your criticism and rhetoric.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 03:17 PM
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47. Welcome to DU
Edited on Tue Jan-23-07 03:21 PM by truedelphi
Maybe we here at DU are emotional at times, but it so happens that there is a plan- called the Baker Hamilton Plan. You might want to read it.

Bush will NOT be President for two more years. Cheney may well go down this week or next week - and after that you will see a hue and cry for impeachment that has never ever been in existence before,
(We cannot do the nonsense of impeaching Bush till the Death meister is gone - only after Cheney's removal is assured can we truly want BushWhack Baby out.) Of course all bets are off if another black flag op goes into operation - it will make 9/11 look like a Bible study group. Cheney is not gonna go down unless he can take this country with him.

Also Bush was NOT elected twice - there was a judicial coup in 2000 and then massive election fraud, voter suppression and machinery that was hacked in 2004.

As far as the baby killer and spitting on the soldiers when they come back - hey there
Newbie - a lot of us on DU come from military families. My father lived through some of the toughest fights ever waged on Earth in WWII.

My first husband was a 'Nam vet. I respect those who have to follow orders - otherwise we won't have any means of defense. But cha gotta realize - over HALF the people in Iraq say they want out.

This is not about our disrespect for the people fighting in the military. This is about having a man who illegally obtained his office allowing for a war that has taken LONGER than World War I and WOrld War II combined (Incidentally we kicked ASS in both those conflicts, especially IN WORLD WAR II.)

However if George W. had been President during WOrld War II, he would have ignored Churchill and Eisenhower, and parachuted in 100,000 GI's inside Berlin. Then had them go up and down the AutoBahn
in tanks until German snipers took them out.

B* has had NO STRATEGY in terms of waging this war. Even such a conservative rag as the Readers Digest laments that while our armed forces inside Iraq have insufficient armour, the Big Boys in their offices run up sky high bills to have mahogany paneling etc.

Iraq is a loss. It has been a civil war at least since last summer. We lost a major ammo dump - one of the reasons that within a week of the Nov 7 2006 election, that the m,military top brass were saying that we should not invest more personnel there is because of the ammo shortage.

There is a plan it is called the Baker Hamilton plan. BUsh ditched it because let's face it - it was alittle bit more complicated than "My Pet Goat"






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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:13 PM
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35. Have to agree - Impeachment is the only way to stop this madness.
The Boy King and his tiny circle have lost all touch with reality and wont stop until they are evicted.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:01 AM
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37. It has to be done

No question.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:37 AM
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38. It's going down even faster than that.
The only surge that will occur are ones like the one that occurred today this weekend. I'm concerned that we will not be able to withdraw our troops without huge casualties.

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:33 AM
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39. Another great piece of writing....
the anger is debilitating at times. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. :kick:
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:16 AM
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43. I tell Bush supporters, Just wait until he kills someone you love.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:25 AM
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44. Welcome aboard the Impeachment Train!
IMPEACH! IMPEACH! ... choo choo choo choo...


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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:46 AM
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45. Cheney first! n/t
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 06:45 AM
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46. It's our patriotic duty to make things right again! IMPEACH NOW!
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