Dumbass Nobel Peace Prize Committee looks pretty stupid now...

[Postman]

Let's give Obama a Peace Prize and maybe he'll act in ways to deserve it....

WTF were they thinking?

[vadawg]

1. rofl dude you better stand from under....

[elleng]

2. and YOU look utterly BRILLIANT.

:sarcasm:

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[still_one]

10. and why are you personally attacking someone stating his opinion? The question is should

the nobel peace prize be given to someone who wages war?

[Postman]

12. Good call....

I know my post was a little over-the-top but you nailed it...

[SemiCharmedQuark]

27. Um...the fact is that the NPP *HAS* been given to people who have waged war.

Kissinger? Roosevelt?

[still_one]

41. and that the NPP was never given to Gandhi, makes the question even more interesting

for discussion

[deaniac21]

59. Arafat....

[defendandprotect]

30. No ... No . .. No . .. and NO again . . . Not ever . . . !!!

[still_one]

42. ok /nt

[Lost-in-FL]

4. IBTL!!!

[FrenchieCat]

5. By the end of his presidency, he will have ended two wars,

that were started by others,
cut nuclear arms in the world,
and gotten the world together to work on Climate change.

I think they were right on target,
those folks in Norway.....
and they will be proven prescient...

The naysayers here speculate in the negative for days
cause that's why most people post on message boards,
cause they are unhappy about something or other,
and want to say it instead of just thinking it.
That's why there is so much activity on the RW blogs currently.

[Postman]

7. Can you give me some winning lottery numbers?....

since you seem to be able to see into the future.....

"By the end of his Presidency"....if you mean 2016, well I would damn sure hope that he has ended wars that will be in their 15th year.....

[dysfunctional press]

9. as a one-term president, that's going to be pretty difficult to accomplish...

he'd better start to get his act in gear.

[Postman]

11. I would venture to guess that if the Republicans put up the same tripe they did last year...

Obama has no worries...

[dysfunctional press]

17. i'm not so sure.

his support next time around isn't going to be as enthusiastic, especially considering the direction that afghanistan and healthcare and JOBS are going.

[still_one]

19. as long as the republicans are extreme right, the independents will not vote for them /nt

[dysfunctional press]

23. dumbya didn't do too badly...twice.

he made it close enough to steal.

and when things aren't going all that well- it's easier to sweet-talk the type of muddleheads that make up a large share of the electorate. ('fool them once...and...well...they won't be fooled again' -types)

[still_one]

40. Actually, he didn't win that easily, and yes many Americans were fooled, a lot because

of 9/11. They have made such a mess of things, and their party has even gone more to the right than under bush, no way

[dysfunctional press]

45. time will tell.

but obama isn't doing very well in the 'clean up the mess' department in the eyes of A LOT of people.
if things haven't gotten MUCH better by 2012- he's OUT.
that's how it works.

[varelse]

49. Don't count on us

Independants are alllll over the map, politically.

[Art_from_Ark]

18. Who was the better man, Reagan or Carter?

Who was the better man, bu$h Jr. or Bob Kerry?
Who was the better man, Nixon or Humphrey?

Just because the Republicans nominate a "tripe" candidate, doesn't mean that they will automatically lose.

[still_one]

20. Interesting. Reagan pulled us out of Lebanon, and Nixon got us out of Viet Nam

in a manner of speaking

[Art_from_Ark]

26. Reagan got us into Lebanon

The marine barracks bombing got us out of Lebanon.
Coincidentally, Reagan's invasion of that Axis of Eeevil superpower, Grenada, occurred just a few days after the Lebanon bombing.

[still_one]

39. yes, you are right, but for one reason or another he didn't escalate our involvement in Lebanon

and there were people who believed he should have at the time

Nixon also became aware that his escalation in Viet Nam would not end the war, and he eventually got out

I just find it ironic that they got us out of both places for whatever reasons

[Hannah Bell]

46. he kept us in nicaragua, though.

[Art_from_Ark]

68. I think Nixon got us out of Vietnam

by cozying up to China. I'm not quite sure how, but I think the two are related since the Chinese Communist Party was supporting North Vietnam, and Nixon had established diplomatic ties with China at around the same time that Kissinger was negotiating the withdrawal of American troops with the North Vietnamese at the Paris Peace Talks.

[dysfunctional press]

25. and even if they lose, it doesn't mean they lose.

as long as it's close enough to steal.(and fat tony and the boys are the officials in the replay booth)

[inna]

52. Plus, don't forget the Diebold factor.

Although, I can't imagine why TPTB would wish for a more compliant, pro-corporatist president than Obama. Who needs Republicans with "Democrats" like these. :shrug:

[Sebastian Doyle]

Except for those electro-fraud machines

Because he ain't gonna have the massive turn out of 18-30 year olds who voted for him last year in 2012, if he escalates Afghanistan, and lets Netanyahu con him into a war with Iran, which recent rhetoric about their non existent "nuclear weapons" suggests is still a possibility.

In fact not only will he not have their votes, but a lot of them will probably be dead, as an escalation of Afghanistan and war in Iran would officially kick this into World War III. And obviously there would be a draft for that.

[still_one]

16. He will be a two-term president, I would put money on it, and it isn't because I agree with what he

is doing in Afghanistan. The fact is the republicans will not put up a moderate against him, and the independents in this country will NOT vote for the far right policies of the republican party. Whoever wins the independent voters, wins the election, and at least today the moderates are not going to vote for the republicans in the presidential election.

That being said, Congressional elections are an entirely different matter, and the Democrats could very will lose.

[dysfunctional press]

24. time will tell.

but i think that you're underestimating the opposition.

[still_one]

43. perhaps, but after 8 years of bush, a lot of pain is not forgotten so easily /nt

[dysfunctional press]

48. well- apparently you've forgotten what country this is.

4 years is a lifetime when it comes to politics in the u.s.
the bush administration will be too long ago to remember- unless things get even worse- then they'll be 'the good old days'.

[Art_from_Ark]

69. You're absolutely right

In 1976, people were complaining about how corrupt the Republicans were. In 1980, they voted for a Republican jackass who helped bring corruption to a new level.

http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/conason/2004/06/08/reagan/index.html

[Hannah Bell]

47. if the job situation doesn't get better, people will vote for hitler. don't kid yourself.

[still_one]

13. Forget speculation, much of the Patriot act is still in tack. The bailout of the financial

institutions has been a joke, his Department of justice has not been particularly impressive, especially toward reversing the bush policies of wire taps, and ignoring FISA

The only thing I will grant you is the story isn't over yet, but within two years we will know exactly where we stand, right now it is a very mixed bag

Incidently, one of the generals who is giving him advice also covered up the Pat Tilman death, and undercut the President, thought he didn't have him replaced. I call that misguided at best, and foolhardy at worst

[Codeine]

57. "Still in tack"?

What's that mean?

[redqueen]

60. "Intact"... that's how I would interpret that. (nt)

[Codeine]

65. Oh! I was trying to read more into it than was there. nt

[MadHound]

14. No speculation needed, we just watch what unfolds and listen to what this administration says

At least 50,000 troops in Iraq for the foreseeable future, one war not ended.

An escalation that "won't last longer than eight years, a second war not ended.

Going to Copenhagen with no climate legislation of our own to lead the way. Kyoto sized fail on the horizon.

As far as reducing nuclear arms, all I'm seeing is what I've seen out of others, hot air.

Observation, always better than fantasy.

[cliffordu]

32. A most excellent post, FrenchieCat,

Thanks for saying it.

[redqueen]

53. Why do you INSIST on seeing the glass as half-full?

Don't you know where you are? It is nearly EMPTY dammit! We are DOOOOOMED!

[arcadian]

56. A kidnapping victim often times

Feels empathy for their captors.

[redqueen]

58. Except I was born in this country...

and I harbor no illusions about the fact that the banks have owned it for around 150 years.

I never expected we were electing a messiah. I expected slow, gradual change. Change that brings the majority of Americans along with it... not the kind that is shoved down half the country's throat, causing the kind of backlash that will last for generations. We've seen that. It doesn't work well, IMO.

[arcadian]

66. If you haven't noticed

The right will hate Obama no matter what his policies entail, they are gonna hate any Democrat. I think we need to ram change down the right's throat. Will never happen because Obama isn't on the left. It's going to be his undoing.

[arcadian]

55. You're calling those who oppose Obama's Afghanistan war right-wingers?

"That's why there is so much activity on the RW blogs currently." please provide citation for this statement.

[AVID]

6. AND you like the Phillies??? Sheesh...strike two.

[Postman]

8. Really?

Strike Two?

The Phillies were in the World Series, tho they lost to the Yankmees...

Thats a "strike" in your book. Interesting...

[wisteria]

22. What is wrong with the Phillies? I like them too- sheesh. n/t

[CBR]

54. I will jump in to a thread to defend the Phantastic Phillies!!!

They are the best.

[FarLeftFist]

15. B-B-But he's getting rid of all the evil-doer's so we can live in peace.

Remember when it was patriotic to support your President in a time of war.

[wisteria]

21. Peace will always be the ultimate goal. There are many ways to acheive it though.

I think it is unfair to just dismiss President Obama's decision on Afghanistan. He has weighed it very carefully and has knowledge and information that we don't. We should at least hear him out.

[Postman]

28. I heard that somewhere before.....Oh yeah.....it was back in 2002/03

about Iraq...only it was coming from right-wingers....


Hear him out my ass. Afghanistan is a non-starter. Get out. We can't afford it.

[Salmonslayer]

29. Isn't this a double standard?

Why should we give Obama the benefit of the doubt because "has knowledge and information that we don't"?

Isn't is safe to assume that Bush "has knowledge and information that we don't" when the war started? Did you give him the benefit of the doubt?

You can argue that one is a leader and one is a dunce, but, so what?

Should we feel warm and fuzzy about Afghanistan now because Obama is at the helm?

The end result is more war and death.

[certainot]

35. the pressure is still there, if any libruls think obama can do anything he wants

without thinking about the safety of his family in the back of his mind they're idiots. he knew that going in and took the chance with his wife but he didn't know the left would desert him so easily.

and they don't get his back.

[chimpymustgo]

51. No, Obama deserted the LEFT. At EVERY turn.

[certainot]

67. 'obama's head needs to roll' said limbaugh sept 10, 2008 second hour but

did anyone besides me and maybe a few others complain to the 600 stations that blast the country with that kind of shit all day long?

the left is collectively stupid for letting 1000 radio stations blast their GOP and corporate lobbyist talking points all over the country 24/7/365 without picketing and boycotts of those stations. it's like playing without a front line and the 'strategists' analyze obama and dem effectiveness as if it wasn't happening because they get a headache listening to it.

what stupidity.

[defendandprotect]

31. Official goal in Afghanistan is to combat FUTURE terrorism ... in other words... we're staying -- !!

100 Al Qaeda left -- and US/CIA created Taliban/Al Qaeda, financed it -- and used

it to bait Russians into Afghanistan . . . "in hopes of giving them a Vietnam type

experience" --

Carter, what the hell is wrong with you and Bzrz -- ???

[Ignis]

64. ...Through superior firepower?

Yeah, bombing the Afghanis into democracy has worked so well thus far, let's keep it up!

[earth mom]

33. Word. nt

[boppers]

34. What the award is actually for:

"during the preceding year <...> shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"

Not "shall not have inherited wars" or "shall not move troops around in a way that pisses people off" or "shall be an outstanding pacifist".

[Posteritatis]

63. Shh! Keep your reality out of our outrage! (nt)

[certainot]

36. main reason he got the prize was WE got the stupid m%%$#%^ing

un-jesus-like death mongers out of the white house.

[flvegan]

37. No they don't. n/t

[rollingrock]

38. The Nobel Peace prize has become a joke

it will never be taken seriously again after such a debacle. awarding it to a career US politician (who are notoriously corrupt to begin with) with so little experience and barely even into his first term has already proven to be a major blunder.

[Lilith Velkor]

44. Has been since Kissinger

The only upside is that the ones lately send the American right into hissyfits.

[Freddie Stubbs]

50. I guess the Nobel Prize Committee was unaware of his promise to increase the number of troops in

Afghanistan.

Yeah, that's the ticket!

[freddie mertz]

61. Hate to agree.

But I do.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

62. ::: hearing in her head "Kill, kill, kill for peace" :::::

:grr:

[undeterred]

70. I dare you to post this in GDP.

They're on drugs over there.