Seattle cops shot and killed the suspect in the cops' murders

[proud2BlibKansan]

AP breaking news alert

[MadHound]

1. Not surprising, you kill four cops, you're probably not going to come out alive

n/t

[katkat]

2. let's hope he was actually guilty n/t

[slampoet]

7. My exact thought.

[malaise]

10. +1

Did anyone see him kill them?
Maybe Fuckabee should hold an inquiry.

[tk2kewl]

14. in the whole story i never got exactly why Clemens was the prime suspect.

The first report i read had the coffee house staff describing a man in his 20s. Clemens is 37.

[juno jones]

16. From what I gathered, he was wounded in the torso when the cops fired back.

Later, people he knew were coming forward to report that they had seen him and he had a gunshot wound to the torso.

Anything further than that, I haven't heard.

[snagglepuss]

17. He had fairly recently punched an officer in the face. I believe he was

actually out on bail for that charge. Also recently he was telling people he was going to get back at police.

[tk2kewl]

21. i would imagine there are a number of thugs out there meeting that description.

not a defense of the guy.

[snagglepuss]

26. He was found with one of the slain officier's gun. Furthermore his sister

told police before this happened when they were investigating the other charges like the rape of a 2 yr old that police should use caution. The problem is that when he was brought in after that for an assesssment, a puschologist daid he was competent to stand trial even though he had rounded up young nieces and nephews and his wife one Sunday morning at 5 am and made them all strip naked and said he was waiting for Obama to come to proclaim him Jesus. This is not a regular thug. The real question is how competent are the pyschologists. How could Clemons not ring alarm bells?

[kenny blankenship]

22. Well? I get carded by cashiers and waitrons all the time

and I'm not under 21. Often when they see my ID, they act even more dubious.

The coffee house staff probably got glimpses of this guy while ducking in the midst of a shootout. I'm pretty sure they didn't have a chance to inspect his driver's license. Their estimation of his age is of no weight or importance.

[proud2BlibKansan]

69. He also told some friends he was going to kill some cops

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[OneTenthofOnePercent]

4. Good. No reason to waste anymroe money on him than a 20 cent bullet.

[JVS]

5. Yeah! Fuck due process! Kill em all and let Gawd sort em out!

:puke:

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

6. All we can hope for is that he WAS the actual murderer.

Nevertheless, during the course of the arrest, the suspect did something that warranted lethal force on the part of the police - whether or not this was the murderer or not.

[loudsue]

13. What did he do that warranted lethal force?

I didn't see that in the OP.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

18. Nobody knows without more details.

It may have been as simple as brandishing a weapon at the police.
We have to be patient until mroe details are recieved. The OP doesn't seem to indicate.

Hell, I'm not going to lie... if this absolutely was the guy (absolute certainty being difficult to achieve), I don't care if the cops shot him while he was locked in the back of a cruiser.

[Lint Head]

8. Thanks Huckabee. Another killing sponsored by a republican.

[Generic Other]

9. King Five News report

SEATTLE - The man suspected of gunning down four police officers in a suburban coffee shop was shot and killed by Seattle police early Tuesday, a sheriff's spokesman said.

Maurice Clemmons was shot to death in a working-class south Seattle neighborhood after police tracked him down using possible hiding spots supplied by Pierce County investigators, said Ed Troyer, a spokesman for the county sheriff.

Authorities say Clemmons, 37, killed the four Lakewood officers at a coffee shop Sunday morning in Parkland, a Tacoma suburb about 35 miles south of Seattle.

<snip>

At a news conference, police said a patrol officer came upon a reported stolen car. He observed some movement near the car and recognized the suspect.

"(The officer) says he recognized the person who was approaching him as to be looking or appeared to be just like the person who has been broadcast as the possible suspect in the tragic homicide in Lakewood."

The officer ordered the person to stop. The suspect began to run. The officer fired several rounds, hitting the suspect. The suspect was dead at the scene. Police say the suspect was armed with a gun taken from one of the slain Lakewood Police officers.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-fatally-shoot-suspect-78210277.html

[NightWatcher]

11. he looked like the guy so he yelled STOP and shot the guy???

nice, shot in the back.

Due process should take longer than five seconds

[snagglepuss]

19. " Police say the suspect was armed with a gun taken from one of the slain Lakewood Police officers."

[ecstatic]

31. And even if that was a lie, we'd never know

They can plant whatever they want. They've done it many times before to cover their butts after shooting someone.

[snagglepuss]

35. You obviously are not concerned with facts. The evidence he is the killer

is overwhelming.

[ecstatic]

36. Yeah. And it was all found *after* he was already dead

because if not, heads would roll. How convenient. Let's have a full investigation!

[snagglepuss]

39. His sister told police when they were investigating the raped of a 2 yr old

that he posed a danger to the police. Hardly after the fact.

[seabeyond]

27. looked like the guy enough to be the guy. dude should have stopped

i am thinking

[Strelnikov_]

38. "looked like the guy enough to be the guy." What does that even mean? n/t

[seabeyond]

41. what it means is, they know what the guy looks like. the cop looked at the man, and knew it was him

he saw the cop killer.

[Strelnikov_]

74. "the cop looked at the man, and knew it was him"

A visual ID at night, probably at distance.

Right.

[seabeyond]

75. much much better to say was a "lucky guess" on the cops part. rollin eyes. nt

[Sebastian Doyle]

30. I'm not going to pretend that cops don't sometimes kill in revenge

But this one sounds "clean" to me.

[Strelnikov_]

33. Yep. Guy was running away.

Visual ID at night. Could just as easily been someone walking to work, like an immigrant who does not speak the language.

Understand the cops being a little trigger happy with this guy, but they got lucky on this 'shoot' they did not kill someone innocent.

Pugel said the shooting of Clemmons began with a Seattle police patrolman spotting an unoccupied vehicle that had been reported stolen Monday evening.

The officer detected movement behind him and got out of his car, Pugel said. He then recognized a man approaching him as matching the description of Clemmons.

The officer said the man ignored orders to stop and show his hands, then ran from the officer.

"He wouldn't stop," Pugel said. "The officer fired several rounds, took the person into custody."

Seattle Fire Department personnel responded. Clemmons was pronounced dead.

Pugel also said Clemmons had a gun belonging to one of the slain officers. Clemmons did not return fire before he was killed, Pugel said.

[ecstatic]

37. A shady ID at night and running equals death?

Hell, I might run to if some guy I didn't know started yelling at me.

[BreweryYardRat]

49. In a situation like this, cops are going to make DAMN sure they've made a correct ID.

The "blue wall's" not going to protect their ass if they shoot someone else who happens to resemble the guy...at least, not on a high-profile case like this.

[seabeyond]

51. who says resemble. and per another person shadowy id. stated fit id

the cop knew who it was.

[TwilightGardener]

20. He should have had his day in court...BUT...he was in possession

of a gun from one of the killed officers--hard to believe he wasn't the killer.

[seabeyond]

28. he should not have ran, and he would have had his day in court. nt

[eridani]

12. If it wasn't the perp, this is really terrible

Even if it was the perp, it would have been helpful to get all the information out of him that they could.

[liberal_at_heart]

15. It is a shame he will not get his day in court

I love police officers. They do keep us safe. Unfortunately Seattle Police do have a history of shooting first and asking questions later. This man should have been taken into custody, put on trial and if found guilty spent the rest of his life in prison. Let's hope this was the guilty party or this would have been a terrible travesty of justice.

[Tejas]

23. Apparently his relatives are accessories. - nt

[Rebubula]

24. You kill four cops...

...you take your chances.

No tears for this asshole. Not from me at least.

No need to clog the courts and hear sob stories. He threatened to kill cops the night before the shootings. He was in possession of one of the cops guns and was wounded at the scene and there were several witnesses. Seems open and shut to me.

Yes...he may have been a little crazy, but crazy people that will shoot four cops in a public place are a danger to everyone and have no place in any society. Again...good riddance.

[katkat]

25. I hope he had the gun before he was shot. n/t

[seabeyond]

29. he had the dead cops gun. work for you? nt

[ecstatic]

32. According to the cops nt

[seabeyond]

45. yes. nt

[arcadian]

34. Yeah, cops NEVER plant evidence

:eyes:

[Shell Beau]

40. I just love this. The cops kill the bad guy. The guy that

killed four of their collegues, and the cops are the bad guys again. Unbelievable.

[seabeyond]

46. unbelievable is right. i am not a fan of cops, and still, i find this disgusting peoples

need to defend the animal

[katkat]

50. Shell

Nope, not saying the cops are the bad guys. Saying we have courts for a reason.

[seabeyond]

52. then the man should not have run. what if cop did not stop him. what if he got away.... again

a murder adn rapist of children. what then. the man should not have run. he got himself shot. cop did his job

[arcadian]

56. There was no trial.

Who even knows if that was the right guy?

[seabeyond]

57. the cop knew it was the right guy. and lookie, he was the right guy. nt

[Shell Beau]

60. I understand that, and I am all for due process, but some situations

don't work out that way. This guy was considered armed and dangerous. He being free was a very dangerous situation. He fled, and who knows what he was willing to do next. He could have turned himself in. He is to blame here 100%. People are saying "if he was the man", whatever, I think we all know he was. Anything to blame the cops.

[arcadian]

55. How about a trial?

Don't you tink that the pursueing cops emotions might have had a hand in the suspects death?

[seabeyond]

58. how about if the guy didnt run so he could have had a trial? nt

[Shell Beau]

64. No way. People will say the cops would have found a way to kill him.

It is all the cops fault. Always.

[seabeyond]

65. i am not a cop defender and this si so clear. nt

[Shell Beau]

61. Maybe, but this guy did this to himself. He didn't have to murder anyone.

He could have turned himself in. He is to blame 110%. He fled, and he was considered extremely dangerous. Who knows what his next move was had he escaped, and had he escaped, the cops would have been blamed again.

[arcadian]

77. People are still guaranteed a trial DESPITE themselves.

It's how the law works.

[seabeyond]

78. then he should have stopped as cop ordered and he would have gotten his trial.

you truly keep ignoring that one part of the story. all you demanding his right to trial ignore the man forfeited his right by running.

[seabeyond]

44. any evidence otherwise. the man murder four people. he raped a child. he ran when told to stop

he is dead

[arcadian]

54. "he ran when told to stop"

Was the suspect shot in the back?

[seabeyond]

59. i believe so. nt

[arcadian]

66. and you are fine with suspects being shot in the back?

[seabeyond]

67. well, ya. better than the guy getting away and the search continue for another confrontation

and possible more deaths. or the man not ever being caught and continue a lifetime of rape and murder

are you ok with the cops letting the guy run off?

[seabeyond]

68. if the crime was theft, stealing a vehicle, drugs, getting in a fist fight, no. this is a murderer.

murder that is not gonna stop.

[arcadian]

70. and beat cops are investigator and prosecutors who

know when and where to hand out justice? On a whim?

[seabeyond]

71. yes. they know armed and dangerous from a kid doing something stupid. why they get paid the

big bucks.

[arcadian]

72. armed and dangerous, yet running away with their back to the cops.

[seabeyond]

76. yes. you cant see that scenerio. you cant see where a person who is armed and dangerous

(has a gun = armed. kill four cops = dangerous) running away and when a SINGLE cop chases after the dude the dude can get away or get upper hand on cop?

you cannot see that happening.

you think the man should be allowed to just run away????

[Iggo]

42. Well of course they did.

You thought it would be any different?

[seabeyond]

47. maybe. if the man had not turned and ran. we wont know because the murderer

chose not to allow an arrest

[JPZenger]

43. Washington State Let Him Out on Bail for Raping a Child!!

There has been much attention focused on Huckabee. However, I put much more blame on Washington State. They let him out on bail after he was charged earlier this year for raping a child and assaulting a cop. With his history, he should not have been eligible for bail. The authorities in Washington State also knew he had a warped sense of self, tied to the apolcolypse that he expected.

I can understand someone (Huckabee) wanting to give a guy a second chance. However, I can't understand wanting to give them a fourth chance.

[seabeyond]

48. fuck adn per posters on du if they had kept him locked up, rights violated. how unfair

the man raped a two yr old, lifetime of crime and murder four cops and is defended in this thread

[katkat]

53. seabeyond

You aren't listening. No one in this thread is defending this guy. What we are saying is people get a day in court. Unless you are happy at the prospect of the cops shooting you because they think you committed a crime.

First they came for...

[seabeyond]

62. the man ran. HE lost his day in court. not the cop. ya, ... he should have had day in court

the way our system works.

the murderer fucked it up. has NOTHING to do with the cop. cop did his job

yes i am listening. you are the one not listening. the murderer of four cops run, what????/ do you let him get away. do you take the chance of him getting away. do you take the chance he will get the upper hand on you and kill your ass....

the cop did what he was supposed to. told guy to stop.

if the guy stopped and allowed arrest he would have had his day in court

he did NOT stop

[Dr. Strange]

63. How the hell do you have a day in court if you RUN?

If you want your day in court, get your ass in the courtroom!

[guitar man]

73. exactly

This guy has already killed 4 cops, I imagine the cops were pretty scared of the prospect of running across him whether they would admit it or not. The most important thing is he's off the street and no longer a danger to anyone.