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haele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 09:56 AM
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Natural Soaps found "positive" for GHB in police drug kits
Edited on Fri Apr-20-07 10:01 AM by haele
I originally heard this on KLSD morning show; Stacy had both the owner of the soap company and the former punk drummer arrested for possession on this morning...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20070414-9999-1mi14soap.html

ESCONDIDO – For an environmentally friendly, socially conscious company founded on the principle of uniting humankind, Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps has fought its share of battles.
It successfully took on the Drug Enforcement Administration, which tried to link its hemp oil projects to marijuana. It got the U.S. Department of Agriculture to back down, winning the right to label its soaps organic. Now it's dealing with the intricacies of establishing a fair-trade deal to protect farmers.
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On April 4, drummer Don Bolles, 50, of the legendary 1970s band the Germs, was stopped by Newport Beach police for a broken taillight. But when police searched his toiletry kit and found an eight-ounce bottle of Dr. Bronner's liquid peppermint soap with his razor and denture glue, “the traffic stop took a surreal turn,” said Bolles, whose real name is Jimmy Michael Giorsetti.

Police say a field test found that the soap bottle contained GHB, a rave-scene drug sometimes associated with date rape.
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What isn't in the article is the follow up - Dr. Bronner's not only bailed out the rocker, they bought about 20 of the same kits the Newport Beach Police used, and found that not only did their liquid soaps "test positive", but other Natural Soaps, such as Nutrogena and Tom's of Maine tested positive 5 out of 5 times.

There is no GHB in the soaps, it's that apparently a natural combination of components commonly used in "food quality" or non toxic soaps - not detergents, which are not "food quality" mimics the date rape drug. Peppermint is the major ingredient in all the soaps that tested positive, so it's suspected that something in peppermint oil is triggering the positive.

According to the current owner, they have apparently sent the test results to Johnson's and Johnson's - who now "own" Nutrogena - so that company, which has shown interest, can get their big guns involved and not only identify what component is triggering the positive, but perhaps get the company making the kits to re-tweek their kits so that people won't get charged with possession of GHB when all they have is a container of liquid soap.

It will also keep the idiot population from downing massive amounts of liquid soap thinking it's a "rave drug". (With minty fresh breath!)

Haele
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 09:59 AM
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1. This is good news.
I heard about the initial arrest, and I'm grateful to learn this too. We travel with Dr. Bronners, my husband's favorite is Peppermint. I think we'll travel with a different product until this is resolved.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:14 AM
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4. My son, a punk rocker, travels with it on his tours
Just forwarded the article and your post about it to him.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:02 AM
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2. "Hey honey, drink this soap". Surreal.
I see logic is no longer used at all by governmental agencies.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:22 AM
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7. In all honesty, what would *YOU* have had the police do?
> I see logic is no longer used at all by governmental agencies.

In all honesty, what would *YOU* have had the police do?
Druggies use all sorts of creative packaging to contain
drugs; it wouldn't be at all unusual to find drugs packaged
in a container of some alleged cleanser.

So now we have a product that, according to the first-line
screen available to the police tests "positive" for a certain
family of drugs.

You're the arresting officer: What would you do?

Tesha
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:29 AM
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8. Well, for starters, testing a bottle of soap during a pull over for a broken tail light seems...
well, a bit much. Should every traffic violation result in every product in your car being tested for drugs?
Sure, if he had a truck full of soap bottles, then I might be suspicious. Mules don't move drugs one bottle of soap at a time.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:31 AM
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9. The problem with the "El Cheapo" tests
that the police and schools,etc use is that are dozens of things that give a false positive. Most drug tests are less reliable than lie detector tests-which are not admissible in court- but are allowed.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:10 AM
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3. Welcome to the world of police surveillance and arrest without valid evidence...
This kind of thing happens when there are no sanctions against police officers making improper arrests knowing the worst that will happen is the court asks 'were you acting in good faith? They answer Yes. And the court says, ok move along.'
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:16 AM
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5. Well, I always like to begin a date by washing out my dates mouth with soap.
It makes her feel like she's been naughty.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:17 AM
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6. Love Dr. Bronner's.
Best soap out there.

That's pretty cool Bronner's bailed him out, too.

ALL-ONE! ALL-ONE! ALL-ONE!

ALL-ONE OR NONE!
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:46 AM
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10. that was a fun interview this morning..
quite enjoyable. I hope they sue the pants off the manufacturer of that field drug testing kit.
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haele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:59 AM
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12. KLSD podcasts the Stacey Taylor Show -
So if you want to hear or revisit the show later today or tomorrow, you can go to:
http://www.am1360klsd.com/cc-common/podcast.html

It should be hour 2 for the April 20th show.

Haele
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:54 AM
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11. Whew. Had me scared there for a minute! We use Dr. Bronner's Peppermint soap...it's SO refreshing!
I'm glad we're not being drugged.:)
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:07 AM
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13. Here's my story on this fiasco:
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/482/punk_rocker_don_bolles_arrest_ghb_drug_test_questions

Feature: Punk Rocker's Jailing Raises Questions About Field Drug Tests

Printer Friendly Version Email this Articlefrom Drug War Chronicle, Issue #482, 4/20/07

Don Bolles, drummer for the legendary punk band the Germs, was going to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting with his girlfriend, 21-year-old Cat Scandal, after picking her up for "a day off" from drug rehab, on April 4, when they were pulled over in a traffic stop by Newport Beach Police. During a search of the vehicle -- to which Bolles unwisely consented -- police found a bottle of peppermint Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap. According to a police field drug test, the soap contained GHB (gamma hydroxyl butyrate), a so-called date rape drug illegal under state and federal law.

Bolles' disbelieving protests of innocence, he was arrested and charged with possession of GHB. The aging punk spent three and a half days in a series of Orange County jails before being bailed out, and another 10 days facing felony charges before a confirmation test done by the Orange County Sheriff's Department Crime Lab came back negative and prosecutors announced they were dropping the charges.

The field test was performed by a kit manufactured by Armor Forensics/ODV called the Narcopouch 928. Armor Forensics/ODV did not respond to calls from the Chronicle about the false positives reported by its product. One man at ODV who refused to identify himself said only that he could not comment because of possible legal action.

The Drug and Alcohol Testing Industry Association did not respond to Chronicle queries about accuracy standards within the industry. In the group's defense, however, it should be noted that they were all out of the office this week attending a national drug testing industry convention.

The Newport Beach Police Department did not respond to calls from the Chronicle about the accuracy of the GHB field test.

Bolles is out from under the long arm of the law now, but he's not happy about his experience. Neither is Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps, whose president, David Bronner, is also a leading figure in the hemp movement and a friend of drug policy reform. Bronner offered Bolles legal assistance when he heard the news, and Dr. Bronner's began a public campaign to clear its name and put the drug testing industry on the defensive.

Bolles couldn't believe he was being arrested for drug possession, he told the Chronicle. "I knew it wasn't GHB, I knew it was soap; I used it that morning," he said. "It was ridiculous."

Ridiculous it may have been, but Bolles' three and a half day journey through the jails of Southern California was no laughing matter. "They kept me in several different jails, and it was a pretty hardcore experience for me," he said. "There was some 28-hour, weird booking procedure; you have to sit around in a concrete cubicle with other prisoners, they wake you up every half hour. It was pretty horrifying."

When Dr. Bronner's heard about Bolles' predicament on April 9 it issued the first of a series of press releases decrying his arrest and flatly denying that its product contained GHB. "This clearly is a case of profiling by the Newport Beach police of a person who doesn't look like the people who live in that town," said vice-president Michael Bronner. "We are paying the cost of Mr. Bolles' lawyer, and we demand the charges be dropped or proof from the police forensics lab of GHB contamination be immediately provided to us," he stated.

David Bronner derided the police for their bizarre notion that soap was a good place to put GHB. "We cannot imagine anyone putting GHB, or any other drug for that matter, into a rinse-off soap product that is lathered and rinsed off the body immediately," he said. "The Newport Beach police should see how much of a buzz putting beer in their shampoo gives them, and get a grip and apologize on their hands and knees to Mr. Bolles."

"This is ridiculous," Bronner told the Chronicle. "Not only is drug testing an incredible intrusion into people's privacy -- countries like Canada and Europe don't allow this -- but this test is completely unreliable, causing false positives with things like soap. What kind of standards are these tests subject to before they are placed on the market?"

"The testing of substances for drugs is basically unregulated," Kevin Zeese, a prominent long-time drug reformer and political activist with expertise in the intersection of law and drug testing. "If it were the feds, the DEA would set the standards, but at the local level, it's state and local police who make the decisions. This all takes place within the criminal justice system; there is no regulation by the FDA or any other agency apart from law enforcement agencies," he told the Chronicle.

"There have been lots of cases of these sorts of tests not being accurate and causing problems, so this is not surprising," said Zeese. "Now, the local police are going to have to do something to correct their standards so they don't falsely accuse people. If they don't, this kind of thing ends up being regulated by the courts."

Bronner had another, disturbing question. "What else can cause a false positive, and how many people have been thrown in jail because of that?" he asked. "Don came under a whole lot of pressure to just plead. According to the drug testing company literature, you can get a conviction based on just a field test and a confession. The confirmation tests have lower cut-offs, so the cops try to get you to confess based on the field test."

Bronner's campaign isn't ending with Bolles' exoneration. At least four other soaps have resulted in false positives in the Narcopouch 928 GHB test kit, including Neutrogena and Tom's of Maine. "We are testing more products and videotaping those tests. Products from Johnson & Johnson and Palmolive are testing positive, so we'll go to the Cosmetics, Toiletries and Fragrances Association, show them these products are testing positive, and then work through them to explore options for addressing the situation with these field drug test kits. Ideally, we could force a product recall, but we need at least a disclaimer if this product is going to continue to be sold. If they don't know soap tests positive, what else don't they know?"

He is also calling for law enforcement to quit using the Narcopouch 928. "Police departments across the country should stop using that immediately," he said.

Bolles rose to fame in the late 1970s as a member of the LA punk band the Germs, whose influence was widespread in the scene and who are credited with popularizing the Mohawk haircut. The band broke up in 1980 after lead singer Darby Crash killed himself. The surviving members reunited two years ago and will tour this summer.

Bolles has not washed his hands of the case yet, either. "The lawyers and David and I have been consulting about our best legal strategy," he said. "We haven't decided which direction to go yet. But what happened to me shouldn't happen to anybody else."

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