Are you watching our President tonight?

[babsbunny]

Not me. I am sick to my stomach, can't look at him.

[Brickbat]

1. Nope, going to a hockey game.

[Bluebear]

2. All I can picture >>>

[Mari333]

7. [phone]

[Individualist]

11. It will be like listening to the Chimperor without the verbal screwups.

[QC]

31. +1

[SammyWinstonJack]

86. No kidding. Yuk!

x(

[pleah]

3. Yes. :(

[polichick]

4. No - I'm tired of pretty speeches about lame policies. nt

[tridim]

12. Fingers in your ears babbling "blah blah blah"

That's exactly what I expected of you.

You just admitted that you don't care. Congratulations, you must be so proud.

[NYC_SKP]

33. Unbelievable, isn't it? The "Democratic President makes me sick to my stomach" post has 6 recs.

And he hasn't even spoken yet.

:shrug:

[polichick]

54. You conveniently misquoted the op. nt

[NYC_SKP]

57. Oh, my! K, here tis: "Not me. I am sick to my stomach, can't look at him." How very jr high. nt

[polichick]

59. Very different from what you posted. It's about feelings. Your post was jr. high. nt

[NYC_SKP]

60. Well you sure showed me you did!

(runs away with tail between legs)...

Come on, now!

Nobody wants this fucking war.

:pals:

[polichick]

50. And just like you to buy whatever drivel he spits up. nt

[tridim]

56. Drivel huh. I already know you hate our President.

You don't have to tell me 5 times a day.

Enjoy watching Survivor, or whatever you're going to watch because you don't care about the World.

[polichick]

58. You could quit following me around like a puppy wetting itself. nt

[tridim]

62. I will debate you until the day you leave, that's what public forums are for.

You don't get to make the rules.

And nice name calling BTW. :eyes:

[polichick]

65. You don't debate - you follow me around and pee on the floor...

Never anything intelligent, just insults and idiocy.

[tridim]

72. "I'm tired of pretty speeches about lame policies" is just about as insulting..

as one can get on a Democratic forum.

I simply pointed it out, if that's insulting to you then maybe you should take a break for some self-reflection. Start by asking yourself why you are here.

[polichick]

78. A statement of fact and opinion - which is within the rules...

Your response is a personal attack on another poster, which is against the rules.

[tridim]

81. You wrote post #4, your name is right beside the quote.

What the hell are you talking about?

[polichick]

85. Wake up. What I posted there is a statement of fact and opinion...

...which is within the rules. Your response is a personal attack on another poster, which is against the rules.

Sorry if you don't get that - until you do, you really need to stop following me around.

[tridim]

90. Do you not understand that opinions can be insulting?

You're free to post them and I'm free to respond. Deal with it.

Nip nip nip. ;)

[polichick]

95. The difference is I'm posting my opinions about policy and the prez...

...and you're launching personal attacks against a poster - not allowed.

From now on, I'll just respond that you're breaking the rules. Then maybe you'll start getting the difference.

[tridim]

107. The only thing you're saying is.. I hate the President.

And you say it over and over and over.

Alert me, I didn't attack anyone. I still don't even know what you're talking about. This sub-thread is just you and me talking.

[Mari333]

5. I was going to but it would be like watching Bush again

and it will merely make me ill whilst I know Karl Rove is in the background clapping for him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/01/bush-officials-rnc-praise_n_375400.html

[The Wielding Truth]

6. Sure. He has a lot of explaining to do. I will listen.

[Meshuga]

8. I am starting to tune out

I can't stomach politics any longer.

[Morning Dew]

9. Oh, absolutely.

I almost always watched shrub, too.

[Sherman A1]

10. Yes,

and will do so on Cspan and not listen to ANY of the networks commentary. I can make up my own mind about what he said or did not say.

[JuniperLea]

13. Me too...

Exactly.

[SIMPLYB1980]

21. +100

[azmouse]

14. sheesh...

[zanne]

15. Some of you are like spoiled children.

You want what you want; you don't want to compromise, and you want what you want NOW. Once you grow up a little, you'll find that life doesn't work that way. We won't be getting our way all the time. Progress comes in baby steps.

[Bluebear]

18. LOL

[FSogol]

+1 n/t

[NYC_SKP]

36. +1 And I think they should get a "Time Out".

:rofl:

[Matariki]

47. I hope you are being sarcastic

escalating a war and compromise are two very different things.

healthcare reform and give-aways to the insurance industry are also two different things.

Just because a politician is a Democrat doesn't mean we should't be active in pushing for what we truly want. And expressing disappointment when they don't deliver.

[laughingliberal]

103. Thank you ++++1 nt

[Jane Austin]

49. You said it, Zanne. ................. n/t

[truebrit71]

69. No shit. right?

Fuck, I am pissed at him about a boatload of other things, but I knew this one was coming down the pike because he fucking said he was going to do it on the campaign trail..and yet the wailing and gnashing of teeth continues to a crescendo around here...

Unreal...

[Mari333]

70. Gee, I do not compromise with peoples very lives

maybe you do, but I dont.
I dont compromise when people can be killed.
nonetheless, Karl Rove agrees with you, so be happy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/01/bush-officials-rnc-praise_n_375400.html

[blindpig]

87. Progress come in leaps

That progress is gradual is a lie used to prevent progress.

Consider the evolutionary concept of punctuated equilibrium, that's life.

This ain't progress.

[Libertas1776]

16. If I can find it on the radio

I'll probably listen. But I won't be able to stomach watching his face on tv.

[Individualist]

20. That's what I'm going to do

If I watched on TV, I'd probably throw something at it.

[zanne]

24. When did DU become FR?

I haven't spent much time in GD in awhile. When did it become overrun with Republicans?

[Libertas1776]

26. I don't know...

when did DU become overrun with a bunch of brain washed, center-right, war mongers? Excuse me, but this progressive liberal doesn't care much for pom poms.

[zanne]

28. One of Obama's campaign promises was more troops for Afghanistan.

It seems a bit hypocritical to complain now.

[Libertas1776]

38. I, like so many others, voted for Obama

in spite of his stance on Afghanistan, and I still have every right to protest, especially considering how things have only gotten worse over there. And now I am supposed to accept that countless more American soldiers are going to perish in the Graveyard of Empires just to prop up a corrupt government who stole an election. We lost in Afghanistan. We lost before we even set foot in there. We lost when we refused to build a couple of schools after driving the Soviets out. The quagmire that persists in Afghanistan is the result of Raygun-Bush republiCON incompetence. But the minute Obama sends these troops, it will be HIS war, with blood on HIS hands. I don't want to see that happen.

[Cant trust em]

39. If we complained in the campaign, can we still complain?

I don't remember that a vote consisted of 100% agreement with everything a candidate proposed.

It just means that I'd rather have this person than another person.

[seabeckind]

84. Sorry, I don't remember it that way.

I thought the promise was to "finish the job" but he didn't say he would do it by adding more troops. I think that came after he got preempted by the chickenhawks and generals who told him that was the only way to finish the job.

I do remember something about Iraq and 16 months, though. Wow, those transports are going to be REALLY crowded during April. Course I guess it's a short flight to Afganitnam so it'll all work out.

[laughingliberal]

104. Yes, and another was for HCR which included a public option to compete with insurance companies

But he didn't seem to bring the weight of his office to bear on that when Rahm and the Blue Dogs were selling us out to the insurance and pharmaceutical cartels. I voted for President Obama and I voted for him at our caucuses in NV. I still admire him greatly but I am getting a little tired of the appearance that the promises he keeps are the ones which appease the right and the promises the left supports are optional.

[SammyWinstonJack]

92. +1000 nt

[SIMPLYB1980]

32. Around June or so.

And the are not Republicans they are "Progressives". On second thought they may just actually be Republicans pretending to be be "progressives".:tinfoilhat:

[Bobbie Jo]

34. Things that make ya go hmmm.....

:think:

[kid a]

17. yep...gonna listen and use my brain

[Echo In Light]

19. Fuck no

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. Try some Pepto - hope you feel better, soon. nt

[buff2]

23. I doubt that I will watch

I am deeply disappointed in him. If I knew he was a bu$h clone I would never have voted for him."Change". WHAT CHANGE? We were duped.

[Bobbie Jo]

25. Of course I will, I don't have him on *ignore*

:eyes:

[elocs]

27. Since you asked, no, just no. I never made a promise to listen to his every speech.

My surprise diminishes as my disappointment increases.

[rubberducky]

29. This place is starting to make me "sick to my stomach".

Perhaps, some of the posters on here would be happier with McCain/Palin running things. I`m not always happy with everything "our president does", but I will support him because the thought of the other party running this show is just too much to imagine. Time to take a break from here. Some people would still bitch about "our President" NO MATTER what he did.

[Jane Austin]

53. Me, too.

I donated stars for five or six people I don't even know during the recent fundraiser.

I'm sorry now I did.

DU is Obama-bashing Central these days.

[HipChick]

93. agree..they really do deserve Palin in 2012..

[laughingliberal]

105. This false dichotomy is wearing thin

The message that people who do not care to rubber stamp every last policy our President puts forward would prefer McCain/Palin. There is a lot of ground between those 2 positions.

[AllyCat]

30. Working, but I know the script. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm done with this guy.

[seabeckind]

35. Gave up a couple speeches ago

He do give some good speech though.

I think I'd rather see some overt action and leadership. Don't tell me what the problems are and how difficult it'll be. I live that everyday.

Stand out in front of one of our new taxpayer-owned Chrysler factories and tell me we're going to build electric cars here, or high speed rails, or windmills, or batteries.

Maybe do some broadband, like FDR did the electric grid (you know that thing that our local gov't is selling to the Australians).

The ONLY way I'd watch is if you leak ahead of time that you're firing a few generals and Geithner and Summers. You better believe I'll watch then and start to believe there's really going to be some change.

Instead maybe I'll cross-off the Obama 08 on my sweatshirt and write Kuchinich 12 on it.

[Cant trust em]

43. High speed rail and broadband are both happening

They're being funded in the stimulus.

[seabeckind]

77. Maybe in your neighborhood

But in mine we don't even have dsl. Course I do have a $45 bill to the cable company. Heaven forbid we should cut into the cable company's profits by doing a broadband utility.

High speed rail? Is that like a tandem bus moving in the carpool lane? Gee, I was thinking more TGV. But then Ray LaHood is in cahoots with repubs like that Snow guy. Can't let our passengers get in the way of his freight trains.

There was some funding stuffed into the stimulations thingy...so fucking what. That was a small reach-around to his base.

All our laissez-faire government leaders are doing is sitting back waiting for corporations to decide what lack of service we'll get this time. FDR didn't wait on corporations, he told them where to go -- or get out of the way.

[Neecy]

37. Yes, I'm going to watch

[madokie]

40. You damn right I am

I don't know what all he has on his plate but I know that its a full one, some of it on purpose by the out going bushco criminals to make life difficult for the President. By talking this bull about can't stomach him etc, to me is playing right into the hands of those who are not and I mean are not on your side.


President Obama I have your back, bro. I want you to succeed so I will support you in whatever decisions you have to make.

-1

[a la izquierda]

41. I'm watching Charlie Brown Christmas!

[Bluebear]

44. It got preempted by this, sorry

[a la izquierda]

91. DAMMIT!

I'm having a root canal tomorrow, so you can imagine this adds insult to injury.

[DonkeyHoTay]

97. Uh... What other shows are pre-empted?

Just asking....

I cannot bear to watch the President make this announcement. It is just so anti-everything I had hoped for from him. Why can't he be like JFK who did not want to escalate the Vietnam conflict; in fact, Kennedy wanted to pull out the US personnel and prevent that horrible war which the US eventually fled from in infamy. Will history repeat itself in Afghanistan? Even Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan could not establish control in this area of the world, Afghanistan where empires come to fight and die... Neither could the British, the Russians and neither can the US, even a US backed up (half-heartedly) by NATO.

However, I will read the full text of President Obama's speech tomorrow on the internet.

But for tonight, I cannot bear to listen. Instead, I will step back into history and turn off President Obama's speech on TV. I will nostalgically re-visit every great American oration I can find which promotes world peace.

************************************************************************************************************************************************

In fact, I have just re-read President Kennedy's masterful speech of June 10, 1963 at American University in which he argued for an end to the Cold War and for peace with other nations, even those with whom we have fundamental differences. How can we ever forget his words?

"So, let us not be blind to our differences -- but let us also direct attention to our common interests and to the means by which those differences can be resolved. And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity. For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal." JFK

************************************************************************************************************************************************

So Mr. President, make peace, not war. That is why we elected you. We believed that you were another John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Keep the faith.

[azmouse]

42. Here, this is for you babsbunny.

[Bluebear]

45. Wow. nt

[Jane Austin]

46. What are you doing on DU? ........... n/t

With this "can't look at him" crap?

Do you think this is a legitimate criticism of his Afghan policy?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

55. This is not Obama Underground. This esclation is disgusting and I feel the same

exact way as the OP.

Afghanistan never had anything to do with Bin Laden. Look up the Taliban and the Unical Pipeline.

[babsbunny]

63. Thanks!

[RoseMead]

48. No way I would miss it.

He's my president, I helped to get him elected. I have a responsibility to pay attention, whether I like what he's saying or not. Perhaps especially if I don't agree.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

51. Same here.

[Nite Owl]

52. Yes

I want to hear what he has to say before the pundits get to it even more. They may be right or not but I want to hear it and not have it interpreted. This is big decision that could make or break him and us, it couldn't have been made lightly. It had better be paid for by taxes or Pentagon cuts and not be taken out of the domestic budget and have some sort of end to this war on the horizon.

[TexasObserver]

61. No. I have seen this speech before. Bush gave it many times.

[truebrit71]

64. Yup. Looking forward to it.

After the last eight years listening to a President use complete sentences is like music to my ears..

[Solly Mack]

66. I sure am. I took a short nap so I could be awake.

It'll be 2 AM here.

[closeupready]

67. It's unlikely that we will get the truth as to what is driving escalation, so no.

No point.

[Prism]

68. Wouldn't miss it

I will have an ear especially cocked for little phrases, justifications, and rationales that had been routinely used by the Bush administration and its supporters over the last eight years.

They say we live in a world without magic, but tonight I expect that to be disproved as all the Republican justifications for death and endless billions transform into the best logic ever utter by an American president.

I may make snacks.

Though I should probably just drink. It'd be more appropriate.

[LiberalAndProud]

71. Yes, I plan to watch.

[highplainsdem]

73. The last administration wore out my interest in flimsy excuses for stupid wars.

I think Obama should stop listening to generals and start listening to journalists like Dan Rather, as LBJ should have listened to Walter Cronkite:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34224471/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/

Whether it turns out to be 20,000 additional troops, 35,000, whatever, no one should kid themselves. This is not going to make a major difference in Afghanistan, except perhaps in the very short term to buy a little bit of time.

Afghanistan is vast. The terrain is hostile. And you can‘t think of it just as Afghanistan. You do have to—underline, italicize, put in all caps, the Pakistan part of this. It‘s more of an Afghanistan/Pakistan war.

And we can‘t kid ourselves. We have to understand that very clearly. And we made a specific change in strategies, this so-called realignment strategy in the late spring or early summer and still being affected. The reason General McChrystal asked for additional troops was having decided on a new strategy, says, “I need more troops to carry out this strategy.”

Rachel, there‘s nothing more important than understanding in
Afghanistan that however you describe our mission, however you describe the ultimate goal, the principle obstacles to it are—in no particular order-corruption, cronyism, mismanagement in terms of the government—we‘re talking about the government in Kabul specifically but also down in the tribal warlord area. Plus, the tremendous production of opium...and the resistance of the majority of mullahs in the country to what they say in the privacy of the mosque—the foreigners, the infidels being there.

Those are tremendous obstacles. I don‘t say they can‘t be overcome, but I do say we have to understand that it‘s going to take a lot and take a long time, and the question for the American people and the question for the president is: do we want to do this? Do we really want to do it? And can we do it?

There is an undercurrent in the military which says, “We‘re going to
do what the president orders. We‘re doing our best.” And one can‘t say enough about their valor, about their effectiveness, about their
dedication. There‘s an undercurrent saying, is it be considered that we may be spending ourselves into oblivion by staying here as long as we‘ve stayed here? This is not to be negative for the sake of being negative, it‘s just to lay out when you‘re on the ground, particularly, the forward positions, these are the things you hear people talking about as kind of an undercurrent. And this is the reality of Afghanistan.

[boomerbust]

74. Yes

And when they take out Bin Laden all you Obama bashers can go fuck yourselves.:evilgrin:

[peacebird]

89. how many innocent Afghani civilians will we have killed by the time they "take out Bin Laden"?

Each of the innocent have family members and friends who will rise up to defeat their oppressors (us). How many innocent lives is the capture of Bin Laden worth?

I - for one - am sick of us slaughtering people and saying that we killed "suspected terrorists". Think of all the people we incarcerated in Gitmo and those we tortured in black sites around the world. How many were ever found guilty of ANYTHING? How many *died* in our custody because of torture or mistreatment?

and absolutely NO accountability for any of the crimes against humanity which have been committed in our names.

Nauseating.

[Thickasabrick]

75. I'd rather get the "post game" commentary here. nt

[MilesColtrane]

76. Yes.

He's got some splainin' to do.

[Cant trust em]

80. That's how I feel.

I've got to get this from the source. I need to hear why he thinks this will work.

[Blue-Jay]

79. Sure, why not?

Unless you have something against information.

Like the escalation or not (and I DON'T), there's no harm in listening.

[SammyWinstonJack]

82. No, went to Blockbuster and rented some movies. Much more enjoyable way to spend the evening, imo.

:evilgrin:

[Stinky The Clown]

83. Yes

I want to hear for myself what he has to say.

[Vidar]

88. Nope.

[Upfront]

94. Nope

He has lost his way.

[piratefish08]

96. Nope, no interest. Pretty speeches bore me now.

[Bluenorthwest]

98. I only read his speeches

I got sick of the high drama style of his appearances and speaking long ago. He employs devices I do not think highly of, as an orator, so it is best for me to read the words without the histrionics he favors, that way I give him a better chance of persuading me. I've been reading them for months now. No listening, it is a major turn off.

[OneBlueSky]

99. nope . . . anything he says will be of no interest to me . . . n/t

[bridgit]

100. yes

[DireStrike]

101. No, I'm tired of being made to feel cautiously optimistic by soaring rhetoric

while being fed a shit sandwich.

[Skittles]

102. no, but I do read his speeches

which is why I way more understand what he says than people who are so fucking mesmerized by how well he says it

[G_j]

106. I already feel sick...

I'm flying my peace flag at half mast.