*****OFFICIAL SPEECH THRAD 2****

[nadinbrzezinski]

Link to one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7128788&mesg_id=7128788

[debbierlus]

1. Fear Card - Al Queda plotting terror attacks....Fear Fear Fear

How very Bushlike Mr. President....

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Actually that is not fear, it is real

only problem the planning ain't happening there... but that is besides the point.

[debbierlus]

31. He is using it to justify the expansion of this war, so it is THE point

He is manipulating facts to use fear to gain support for this travesty....

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

37. Territorally, this is not an expansion.

[bridgit]

19. Well yeah but no - Al-Q has a hard-on for terrorist attacks believe it!

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Startegic reasons, com'on Mr President

what about the Central Asian Game?

[AngryOldDem]

4. Will the Afghans be ready to take over in 18 months?

Didn't think so.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Depends of way too many factors

[Fire1]

141. I believe he has made it clear to them that they will HAVE to

get it together, as we are NOT going to be there indefinitely.

[MichiganVote]

5. Sorry Obama...I'm just not buying it. All I see is that Karzai is the new global thug doing

less than nothing. Old war? Meet the new war. And the war after that. And the war after that.

[lib2DaBone]

7. dupe

[lib2DaBone]

When goat farmers and heroin producers stand up for democracy? Oh ya baby...

[BigBearJohn]

8. gosh, who ever knew that al qaeda threatened the security of the ENTIRE world

wow.... they must be very powerful.

[lib2DaBone]

9. dupe

[lib2DaBone]

10. NO ONE is buying this....

[graywarrior]

14. Where is your proof of that? lol!

[harun]

18. Maybe some pukes will.

[jefferson_dem]

32. "NO ONE" = lib2DaBone

:)

[lib2DaBone]

54. you got that right...

[knightinwhitesatin]

102. oh I know some people buying this

[jefferson_dem]

155. And some who are not.

[knightinwhitesatin]

161. my hair is blonde

my eyes are blue

accusations of troll bounce off of me and stick to you. ;)

[jefferson_dem]

162. uh huh...

sure they do. :)

[knightinwhitesatin]

163. sorry

I was unaware levity was verboten. It will not happen again mein herr...........

[MineralMan]

Really? You aren't. I doubt you're even listening to it.

[michaz]

11. And that means my son-in-law at Fort Drum is off again! Thanks, Mr. President....

thanks a whole hell of a lot!

[MissDeeds]

12. He probably wanted this speech

to be in front of military men and women to insure he wouldn't get booed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Here we go.... this is stepping around Karzai if need be

now that is a change... in the policy

[AngryOldDem]

15. Propping up an illegitimate regime.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Listen to what he said about the UN

they ain't proping anybody... they are going around Karzai...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

51. Well, the Taliban wasn't a legitimate regime.

The Northern Alliance was still the recognized government of Afghanistan (by all but Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and one or two others) when the war started.

[khal02]

16. It's official

The far left is as batshit insane as the far right. Never thought I'd see the day where posts on DU are not discernable from those on freerepublic. Let the hysteria and outrage continue.........

[debbierlus]

21. It is surreal, disappointing, and astonishing...

I feel sick.

[high density]

38. What exactly did you expect the Commander in Chief to say tonight?

"We give up in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda please do not attack us again. Afghanistan please fix yourself now. Bye bye."

[tridim]

81. You've been saying that for 11 months

Probably longer if I go back into the archives.

[jefferson_dem]

119. Well...

Give me points for consistency if nothing else. :hi:

[tridim]

126. Was referring to debbie downer. nt

[AVID]

156. I've come to the conclusion you are a babbling simple minded idiot.

[Name removed]

33. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

How do you bash someone in the head on an internet message board? n/t

[Robb]

Simmer down there hoss. nt

[Sebastian Doyle]

132. Can't exactly do that, Robb.

See, my blood is boiling because the President that I busted my ass to get into office is lying his motherfucking ass off on TV, and in the middle of that, I got some 14 post freeper jackass telling me how "insane" I am.

Not a good time to see that kind of shit. :evilfrown:

[jefferson_dem]

43. Woooha...

Batshit insane.

[JVS]

57. Perhaps it's the "middle" that is batshit insane

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

72. Do tell.

[JVS]

87. It's not the left wing or the right wing that is trying to make a synthesis out of war and peace.

[JVS]

164. Sarah Palin likes Obama's plan

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7136421&mesg_id=7136421

[khal02]

152. Ummm no

It's the poster who thinks he was apparently the only who busted his ass off to get the president elected which now gives him the right to refer to the president's "mutherfucking ass" who is insane. Crazy knows no party as evidenced by DU the past 10 months.

[spanone]

59. you obviously have never seen democracy in action

[Taverner]

113. Heya Mister 14 posts!

[many a good man]

17. TIME FOR A WAR TAX!

I'm still waiting.

[Gold Metal Flake]

27. [phone]

[bridgit]

74. Use republicans tearing their garments and gnashing their teeth as a reverse barometer...

That being the case *it is time* for a war tax, stuff it down their damn throats this is their war after all and it's time for them to start paying for it

[scarletwoman]

22. Sorry. Not buying it. We need police and intelligence work, not more soldiers.

Plus, it's a fairy tale that the Karzai government is going to root out corruption.

This "strategy" is a delusion.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

79. Intelligence work heavily relies on access to the population.

[scarletwoman]

136. It didn't take an army for John Walker Lindh to infiltrate the Taliban.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

142. Well, for starters, that was before the invasion...

the Taliban are clearly more skeptical today than they were in those days. Also, getting someone in is only half of the difficulty. The ability of those infiltrators to get information back out is also huge.

[scarletwoman]

157. I'll concede your point. However, I do not see the Taliban as a realistic threat to the U.S.

Should they overrun the whole of Afghanistan, they'll be too busy stoning women and bombing girl's schools to plot terrorist attacks against the U.S.

The jihadis of the world don't especially need the Taliban's help to commit mayhem. Since they're not actually headquartered in Afghanistan, it's utterly absurd to keep a bunch of our soldiers there.

I mean, fer chrissakes -- google earth can post a picture of the street where you live, complete with the makes and models of the cars parked on it. Does anyone seriously believe that we wouldn't be able to detect the existence of a training camp if such a thing should be started up again?

Why should one single American soldier die to prop up the benighted Karzai government? It's absolutely senseless!

Let's get the fuck out. If the people in power in Afghanistan and Pakistan want to save their asses, let them figure out how to do it themselves.

sw

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

159. I agree that the Taliban themselves are not a direct threat to the United States

- at least not at this stage (Pakistan raises some serious concerns though). However, there is an indirect threat, in the sense that if we withdraw and the Taliban take over, they'll once again open the country up for their buddies, al-Qaeda.

The training facilities aren't always easy to spot, as we've seen in western Pakistan, they're often blended in with the civilian population, so I question your claim that we'd spot such operations fairly easily. Our best resources for detecting them thus far are human, being on the ground, making and maintaining contacts with locals. By withdrawing, we severely decrease our ability to do that. That's someone we can't ignore in all of this talk about withdrawal. It'd have consequences - some of which might be good, but some of which will certainly be bad.

[debbierlus]

84. He is selling a war, just like Bush.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

88. Or any other President who has been in power during a war...

[medeak]

23. we have no interest in occupying your country...at least when the pipeline is done

[Gold Metal Flake]

24. Hey, is he using a TelePrompTer? Egads!

[high density]

48. Are those party crasher people there?!!?!?

[LLStarks]

25. A cancer?

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

93. I thought that was an interesting choice of words, myself.

[Sebastian Doyle]

139. The cancer is the military industrial complex and the neocon mentality

that cheers on this madness.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Oh and here meet the paki problem...

and teh border region... remember kiddos, they were 30 miles from their capital oh three months ago.

[omega minimo]

28. How many here refused to endorse investigating/impeaching Bushco?

[shadowknows69]

29. All do respect Mr. President. Most Afghanis can't hear your bullshit speech

Because outside the protected government centers we've bombed them back to the stone age. Or at least kept them there.

[many a good man]

30. Still waiting to hear of humanitarian committment

I want to hear something different for a change.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Agriculture you missed that part?

[woo me with science]

I would love to hear this also. nt

[many a good man]

52. Wrong audience?

[harun]

41. Very surprised he didn't use that angle. This is disappointing.

All he is talking about is more violence.

[flvegan]

34. Am I the only one tired of going broke to be everyone else's military?

Sorry, this may not be the place for this question, but this is just pissing me off.

[MichiganVote]

92. Yup. Me too.

[SammyWinstonJack]

146. Me too.

[BigBearJohn]

36. Oil makes the world go 'round, the world go 'round, the world go 'round

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Don't forget silk

this is the silk road too... and this is part of this... but not all

[omega minimo]

95. don't tell me I have to give up silk, NB.

:scared:

[debbierlus]

39. This is so hollow

[d_b]

40. coalition of teh willin wooooooooooooooo

[Gold Metal Flake]

42. Coalishun!

[shadowknows69]

44. Is it against the rules to applaud at West Point?

Or are the cadets just not hearing anything worth applauding for?

[cherokeeprogressive]

68. The APPLAUSE sign at the front of the stage must be inop. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

121. Looks like they just fixed it. n/t

[Arkana]

45. Directly addressing his critics on the left, I see.

[jefferson_dem]

58. Most of the "critics on the left" don't care to listen...

Dogmatism isn't debatable.

[Arkana]

73. They can't listen--that would detract from the time

they spend worshiping at the altar of Saint Dennis of Kucinich.

[dixiegrrrrl]

46. We are doing to save Pakistan.

"Mutual interest"
" Effective partner ship with Pakistan."....yeah, like the those pipelines.

Bet India will love this.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

63. Know what India would love even less?

Crazy ass Islamic extremists with nuclear weapons.

[JVS]

47. The audience looks like it is having trouble staying conscious.

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. Corp of Cadets, military rules apply

unlike a civilian audience, you do not applaud or show anything outwards unless your chain agrees to it. Why he was given a polite applause as he walked in.

Trust me, it is hard to just seat and listen to speeches and not be able to react.

[JVS]

78. Yeah, but I've seen two cadets napping.

[BigBearJohn]

49. Not only does the MIC make $BI;LIONS, the oil barrons make out HUGE -- WIN WIN

[d_b]

62. you can almost smell their cubans

and taste their scotch. they're loving this speech.

[BigBearJohn]

64. the expressions on the cadets' faces show they are not buying this BS

[tridim]

103. FUUUUCCCCCKKK

This place is INSANE.

I want my DU back please.

[shadowknows69]

53. And here comes the BS rationalization phase.

[Sebastian Doyle]

55. WHY DOES HE KEEP REPEATING THAT GODDAMNED LIE??

Afghanistan NEVER attacked us. This is so fucked up.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

al-Qaeda's leadership wasn't based in Afghanistan?

[Sebastian Doyle]

143. No, they're based in Kennebunkport.

Al Qaeda (to whatever extent it even actually exists) is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Bush Crime Family, Inc.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

145. Nonsense.

[Sebastian Doyle]

150. So you deny that Poppy Bush's CIA were the ones who created "Al Qaeda" in the first place?

Or that he placed his old friend "Tim Osman" (CIA alias) in charge of that particular terrorist unit, originally meant to fuck with the Commies in Afghanistan.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

160. Source?

[Odin2005]

153. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

:rofl:

[debbierlus]

56. Viciously attacked by the SAUDIS....

Not by the Afghans....

He is making Bush proud tonight.

[MissDeeds]

69. Sounds like a speech Bush would have made

And he trotted out 9/11 at the get-go.

[dixiegrrrrl]

80. Chains I can bereave in.

[debbierlus]

60. REASONABLE COST - 1 million dollar per SOLDIER - we have NO MONEY

[malaise]

65. The cost of wars - PHEW

at last.

[JVS]

66. This cost thing is a good reason not to do what he's doing.

[valerief]

67. Okay, kiddies, who wants to die and get maimed for poppies and treasury raiding?

Raise your hands!
:grr:
Life sucks, then they kill you.

[flvegan]

70. $30 billion that our shit-diot Congress will blindly give him.

[MichiganVote]

110. Get your war on boy. Pay those taxes. Get your kids to pay those taxes.

Taxes. War. Taxes. War. Taxes. War.Taxes. War. Taxes. War. Taxes. War.Taxes. War. Taxes. War. Taxes. War.Taxes. War. Taxes. War. Taxes. War.Taxes. War. Taxes. War. Taxes. War.Taxes. War. Taxes. War. Taxes. War.

This is just so much bullshit....must be getting old. Same speech, different Commander in Chief.

[rocktivity]

Okay, Bammy, here's a chance to redeem yourself!

Pull the money rug out from under the war pigs!

P.S. What Level is DU at?

:bounce:
rocktivity

[NYC_SKP]

71. the need to maintain "balance in and among national programs"...

He's doing well, he's not pretending, he's addressing a good number of points...

[MineralMan]

89. +1

[high density]

75. "The nation I am interested in building is our own"

Yes, just like Bush everybody. Just like Bush.

[many a good man]

76. OUR prosperity?

[SnoopDog]

77. Thanks President Obama-Bush....

Seems Obama has the same speech writer....

And is controlled by the same people really running our country...

[shadowknows69]

97. +1

[flvegan]

82. Hear that Somalia and Uganda?

:rofl:

[Zywiec]

83. I see a lot of closed eyes. n/t

[many a good man]

90. Dreaming of medals?

[Individualist]

tools of mass destruction?

:crazy:

[Gold Metal Flake]

85. So... no funding specifics.

[SammyWinstonJack]

149. No single payer health care for you.

:evilgrin:

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. Google this book, Sacred War of Terror

and then a few things on the Central Asia Game...

This is in sumary what is going on here.

[BigBearJohn]

91. Even Hillary looks bored.

[Arkana]

94. Hey, a US President advocating the use of diplomacy in preserving

our national security.

That sounds just like that asshole Bush! Impeach Obama! TEABAGGERS UNITE!

[MineralMan]

104. Indeed. Just like Bush, eh?

Imagine advocating diplomacy. Imagine change. It's here.

[azmouse]

105. Diplomacy? How dare he!

That sounds so.... reasonable! :)

[debbierlus]

106. This is a speech to justify escalating war. This isn't about diplomacy

This is about the military complex and killing.

A few trite words distract you from that point?

[bullwinkle428]

96. Colbert introduced the concept of "truthiness". This speech has lots of "Bushiness".

[high density]

107. Are you counting buzz words or actually listening to the way the sentences are constructed?

Bush never gave any speeches like this.

[MineralMan]

They're not listening at all. They made their minds up about this

speech long before it was spoken.

[chatnoir]

98. Are we fighting Eurasia? Or is it Eastasia?

:(

[Sebastian Doyle]

109. More like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

All of whom exist as much as the bullshit story he's spinning right now about Afghanistan being a threat to this country.

[unc70]

140. Yes. n/t

[kohodog]

99. Weird, no clapping, no booing.

This group is silent. I know it's West Point, but it seems unusual.

[MineralMan]

Yes. They're paying attention. What a novel idea, eh?

[nadinbrzezinski]

115. Military rules, you do NOT react unless told to do such

PERIOD.

[MineralMan]

131. They are applauding, then stopping so the speech can continue.

They learn manners at West Point. It's a pity more people don't have them, I think.

[BigBearJohn]

YES WE CAN ! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN!

edit to add :sarcasm:

[BigBearJohn]

100. YES WE CAN ! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN!

[lib2DaBone]

101. Prohibited torture? Gave Sec Gates Special Law to not publish torture pics..

[flvegan]

108. "America has underwritten global security for 6 decades"

We should get out of that business. Let someone else do it.

[MichiganVote]

124. Not ALL of America Obama. Try the Poor & Middle Class in America. The rich can't be bothered.

[dixiegrrrrl]

133. We have a government by and for the people, he said so.

Isn't that special? Now that corporations are counted as people, he speaks truth.

[ShamelessHussy]

111. How many applause lines has he gotten so far?

[high density]

114. 2?

[ShamelessHussy]

147. only 2?

did you watch it from the beginning? I didn't so I am curious.

does anyone remember how many chimpy got during his WP appearance?

[high density]

148. it was 2 as of my post... I think overall it was 4 or 5 by the end.

There were not a lot of applause lines.

[shadowknows69]

117. 1

[AngryOldDem]

112. Tepid applause.

[BigBearJohn]

116. 50 plattitudes strung together is not going to influence ANYONE

[rocktivity]

118. You can tell when his heart isn't really in it.

This is bringing back memories of seeing Colin Powell at the UN--minus the "Applause" lights.

:(
rocktivity

[debbierlus]

120. We won't target other people's resources?

God, this is DISGUSTING.

[ipaint]

130. That claim is so over the top ridiculous.

This speech is terrible and arrogant.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

122. The flagwaving segment is now taking place.

[Individualist]

123. "a noble struggle for freedom"

Jesus H. God!

[BigBearJohn]

125. Sounds like he is dragging out every fucking sound bite available to him. (YAWN)

[nadinbrzezinski]

127. link to three

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7129475

[debbierlus]

128. Heirs to a noble struggle for freedom?

Great Bush-like line right there.

[lib2DaBone]

129. Yay.. rah rah rah... war war war... 2 4 6 8 who do we appreciate...

[tridim]

137. He has already announced he is ending both of Bush's wars in his first term. nt

[Individualist]

134. USA, USA, USA!!

[JVS]

135. Did he just rip off Glenn Beck's 9/12 project talk about unity?

[Bluerthanblue]

144. no, he repeated his belief that carried him through the election- the

belief that there has been far too much division and DIS unity in the US for too fuckin long-

And the kind of remarks comin out of this place lately don't bode well for anyone.

We're hell bent on hating whoever is not willing to carry our own key agenda.

I HATE it that we are not leaving Afganistan, but that doesn't give me the right to act like an asshole.

:shrug:

What a mess this world is- and none of us are without our own hefty share of the blame.

[unc70]

138. Worse than I even imagined it would be. WORLD BANK. MARKETS.

It was bad enough before -- "noble struggle for freedom"

That is one very somber, unhappy audience. Notice that fewer than half clapped at the intended places. This is truly dreadful. These are not my values he is talking about.

I have yelled at the TV more than anytime recently.

I expected to hear the dominos dropping at any moment.

[mvd]

151. Hoping for the best. I'm not sold on this at all, but..

I really do want to think Obama knows what he's doing. Because we absolutely can't afford a Repuke in 2012.

[knixphan]

154. Seconded!

[MichiganVote]

158. Is there a difference?