I am trying to figure out who I should start supporting for 2012. I am a Liberal. Anyone stand out?

[LiberalArkie]

I am tired of the conservative people, from the top to the bottom. I want to find some liberals. I had my doubts when Emmanuel came on board.

[LoZoccolo]

1. Barack Obama

[leeroysphitz]

28. OP said liberal. n/t

[lwcon]

38. But Barack Obama loves liberals -- it's all here:

http://www.correntewire.com/ive_got_goosebumps_obama_mentioned_me

[JVS]

2. Kucinich

[cali]

4. I doubt he'll run.

[Freddie Stubbs]

5. Why do you doubt it?

:shrug:

[cali]

3. nope. if Obama runs he'll be the nominee.

there is no possibility that someone to the left will run against him and get the nomination. I may cast a token protest vote in the primary, but I'll vote for him in the general. The only thing that could prevent that is if he attacks Iran. He won't.

[natrat]

7. what if,say, the dollar colapses and our std of living is cut in half

[cali]

9. then I think he won't run.

[lazer47]

8. Pres. Obama locked himself into 1 term,, Last night ,,I believe that,,

[dysfunctional press]

19. +1000000

definitely.

[GodlessBiker]

21. Another LBJ?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

35. LBJ? Not even close

Herbert Hoover. Unable to stand up to the Big Money Boys.

[TornadoTN]

25. Sad but true

What does that leave us with in 2012? The spectacle of a Republican getting the Presidency and doing the same thing, while destroying other areas that are important to us and this country.

He's got three years to clean this mess up, but I'm quickly losing hope that anything will really change between now and 2012.

[dysfunctional press]

17. if he's the nominee, he won't be getting my vote, unless we have single-payer healthcare by then.

fuck him.

[safeinOhio]

41. I see a hard left turn

on highway 2011.

[dysfunctional press]

45. which will be difficult to accomplish with the republican congress elected in 2010.

but then, that may be the plan as well.

the corporacrats play a deep game.

[imdjh]

6. I don't know why Hillary would give the DNC the time of day after being stabbed in the back...

.... by so many in the party, but she might make a good president.

[Walk away]

11. I agree ...

But I will vote for who ever the Democratic nominee is.

[Walk away]

12. I agree ...

But I will vote for who ever the Democratic nominee is.

[Tippy]

33. Who stabed Who ?

[blm]

34. No one has stabbed more Dem backs than Clintons have as they protected the secrecy and privilege

of the Bushes, Dubai and Saudi royals, Jackson Stephens and other powerful cronies.

Clintons were on the same page with Bush on Afghanistan and Iraq war and Hillary has been on the hawk side of this escalation sided with McChrystal and Gates for MORE troops.

I'm surprised that anyone still thinks of her as a liberal - that was RW jibberish - always was and always will be.

Backstabbing:

This talk by historian Douglas Brinkley occurred in April 2004:


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354


Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. "There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered unable to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)

By M.J. Rosenberg |

I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling.

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On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

The rest is history.

Hillary publicly siding with Bush and McCain's lie about Kerry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


Bonus link to catch up on history:
http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[PeaceNikki]

10. Less than a year in and you abandon ship, huh?

[HipChick]

26. Liberal fickleness always amazes me...which is why the republicans always win back in everytime

[unpossibles]

43. seriously.

You'd think we have a short-term memory problem or something.

FWIW, he's pissed me off more than I want to admit, BUT there's no way that Palin, Cheney, Dobbs, or whomever would be better. Be careful what we wish for.

And yes, I'd LOVE to see an actual Liberal President, but I won't hold my breath, and frankly anyone who thought Obama was some super Liberal were not paying attention from the beginning.

[L0oniX]

13. KUCINICH 2012

[MineralMan]

15. Do you suppose he can win even one primary this time?

I don't.

[MineralMan]

14. Barack Obama.

Less than a year in office and people are already talking about his replacement. Feh! And for those of you who are considering arguing with me in this thread, I won't be responding. I'm giving the man a full three years before deciding anything. You may do as you please.

[TornadoTN]

22. I'm giving him the full term to pull some magic out of his hat

But what a lot of us have seen so far is lukewarm at best and in some areas is just as bad as the previous administration. It doesn't sit right with me that after all of the campaign promises and rhetoric, he would abandon most of them and/or continue bad policy that damages our economy and our nation as a whole.


He's got the full term from me before I will regret my vote and think of casting my support elsewhere. I just hope he can turn it around.

[HipChick]

31. Agree..+1000

[unpossibles]

44. me too. nt

[mmonk]

16. Support members of the Progressive caucus if you don't want

to be disappointed. That's what I do and any chance also, to defeat a Republican local incumbent.

[lame54]

18. Vote Dem

[Kansas Wyatt]

20. If we 'HOPE' really really hard....

Maybe Obama will 'CHANGE' and actually be for the People in his second term, instead of Corporate America.

:shrug:

Gee, I thought he was going to do that in his first term, but the Pom Pom Squad says it's too hard now and we have to wait.

[TornadoTN]

24. Presidentin' is HARD work!

Gotta keep sucking up to the military industrial complex and the corporate task masters to keep the money flowing in for campaigns and personal interest.

Real, decent human beings who want to do good in this world are shut out of politics or changed by the system.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. if we want to win, obama. there is no way, we would get a dem in the office with a

primary while obama is still president

[SoFlaJet]

27. I think you should all go and support Ralph Nader

you know, why NOT waste your vote? Get a republican elected, or Dennis Kucinich-that's it write his name in, oh yea how about Ron Paul? He also lives in Never Never land-just like y'all.

[donco]

29. Dr.Dean

if he is the Dem nominee.

[Davis_X_Machina]

30. Kucinich. On DU, he's the answer...

...regardless of the question.

[derby378]

32. The best advice I can give you...

...is to concentrate on the 2010 elections for now and strengthen the progressive Democratic presence on Capitol Hill. Four-year Presidential primaries are simply too much to deal with, especially after our experience with the Obama/Clinton battle.

[peacetalksforall]

36. If Obama fails to rescue his office and destroys the faith of all his new voters and

resuscitated voters who came out for him, if he destroys the good will and thrill of his election ... he has to go.

His baggage is getting heavy. He is supporting Rahm, the DLC, more of the federal/banking/wall street team who make money and prospects disappear for the common people, and the military-industrial complex with a more war destiny that only hawks love ... and no progress even in the form of statements (other than Guantanamo) on ending torture - why should there not be people who would vote against him? In favor of a more peace oriented candidate?

We probably have the most gifted man in Obama, but it seems his heart is not where I thought it could be.

I guess I just don't believe anyone who says we will end it by xxxxx.
I don't know if I can believe anyone who is surrounded by people I can't respect.

How do I not say this if I feel this?



P.S. Obama, do not betray the people who never voted before, but came out for you. Who hadn't voted in years or decades, but came out and voted for you. Who couldn't bear to follow politics, but came out and voted and worked for your.

[Renew Deal]

37. You sounds like a Mitt Romney kind of guy

He's been very liberal on certain days and you don't support the Democrats.

[NYC_SKP]

39. Go for Palin since you want to be filled with FAIL. You're both, apparently, Quitters.

Seems like a nice match.

[Freddie Stubbs]

40. Barack Obama

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

42. Maybe the Democrats will hold their 2012 convention in Chicago. Complete with Mayor Daley.

And, cops. Lots of cops.