Michael Moore: "This Is Absolutely INSANE"

[kpete]

Emotional Michael Moore calls Afghanistan troop build-up ‘insane’

By David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Wednesday, December 2nd, 2009 -- 10:53 am
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Following President Obama's announcement on Tuesday of a short-term troop surge in Afghanistan, an emotional Michael Moore told CNN's Larry King, "I feel very bad for him."

"I feel even worse for our troops," Moore went on, blinking back tears. "And I feel a real sadness for the parents of those soldiers.of ours over the next eighteen months who will not come back home."

"Our own CIA says there's less than a hundred al Qaeda in Afghanistan," Moore explained. "What are we doing in Afghanistan? This is absolutely insane. ... We have been in this war for twice as long now as the US was in World War II. ... We're going to have 100,000 troops there to find these killers -- who aren't even there!"

...............

"I hate to be even saying these things," Moore told King in conclusion, "because I honestly think Barack Obama is a good and decent man. He has a good heart. I believe he's a man of peace. ... I don't think there's any evil or dark place in his heart that's where this is coming from. I just think that he's listened to the generals. He's taken bad advice."

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[monmouth]

1. Ah Michael, save the drama for your momma....n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. Nice!

:eyes:

[Matariki]

18. Yeah, shut up Michael - WAR is FUN. Get with the program.

Anyone who complains is a whiner and a child.

Maybe we can drop some nice white phosphorus on a few towns, or rape people's children in front of them at a secret prison site. It'll be great.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

24. You are still outnumbered here n/t

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

42. Darby Crash'd

[spiritual_gunfighter]

46. More like Pat Smear'd

[Red Knight]

40. If Bush had made the speech

All you current war supporters would be screaming at the top of your lungs.

You can be a mindless drone for either political side, and it has been demonstrated on this forum lately.

This party is melting into the Republican party and watching these guys put on a show in congress moves me closer to George Carlin and the belief that the game is over.

But it's over because not enough people care. They've turned this into a "team" sport now and as long as YOUR team scores points, the consequences don't matter.

[YouTakeTheSkyway]

43. I'm not sure how you can say what my perspective on a troop increase would be

were a Republican in office at the moment.

[Red Knight]

48. You must think I was replying to you

Check again

[Mimosa]

103. So true, Red Knight

I've been hoping that things wouldn't get as bad as they are for a while. :(

[sendero]

108. Exactly..

... it ok if our guy does it, not if the Republican do. Pretty transparent, pretty pathetic.

[frylock]

more pearls of wisdom from an obama avatar..

as transparent as we all HOPED obama would be.

[RagAss]

62. Correct Michael...... Bad move Obama ! You want to be LBJ ?

[liberation]

67. I am very impressed by your ability to drive a bus

and speak all that urban slang at the same time!

I sure do hope you remembered to run over twice, to make sure Mr. Moore was properly ran over.

[roguevalley]

98. I'll remember that if my cousin Hannah gets killed over there.

[cbdo2007]

2. Sounds like a good $100 Million movie idea for Michael Moore...

maybe that's why he was crying? Such a great new documentary just handed to him on a platinum platter??

[liberation]

69. Apparently, he can't. I heard there are some copyright issues with Obama's new book coming soon...

Both Obama and Mrs. Clinton profited handsomely from their artistic endeavors with the written word. I assume, that makes them hypocrites too, right?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

3. K&R.

[glitch]

4. Poor Michael, it's tough to have a human heart in these times. nt

[Echo In Light]

11. Such a wide array of negatives people associate with that quality

[glitch]

54. Heart-envy. nt

[Richardo]

5. Says the guy who's worn a baseball cap every day for 30 years.

[Kansas Wyatt]

23. And the point is what?

If you wear a baseball cap, there is something wrong with you?

:shrug:

[Name removed]

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[bvar22]

30. +1...and that says a lot.

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[frylock]

58. and that's saying a lot

[Duende azul]

64. Lol. I was about to post the same.

but since two of you took care of it ...:toast:

[PVnRT]

38. Oh....snap?

No, that made no sense.

[liberation]

77. ... they are starting to run on empy, and scrapping to the bottom of the barrel

Funny how the Obama apologists only had ad hominems to offer as a retort to Mr. Moore's words. I assume you can run on empty marketing slogans for so long...


Throwing Michael F*cking Moore under the bus. I don't think this was the "change" I was expecting to see by now a year ago. F*ck I am starting to think I have seen this movie already. I wonder how soon until we're being told that dissenting with the president is unpatriotic. Then this will be clearly a re-run...

[reggie the dog]

70. I wear a baseball cap everyday

I am only 30 but I will be damned if I let the sun hit my scalp and get skin cancer...

[liberation]

76. There is nothing more unamerican than baseball caps!

Why do you hate America? And don't tell me you are overwheight, because then I have to report you to the thought police!

[reggie the dog]

78. I am skinny from all the biking I do

but I do smoke cannabis, so you can call the police on me..

[Harry Monroe]

87. Your point being??

[L0oniX]

93. Retardo?

[Touchdown]

99. So says the poster with the cute puppy picture to humanize his douchebaggery.

:hi:

[TornadoTN]

113. Boy you got that right! WHY DOES HE HATE AMERICA AND NOT SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT?

Because after all, if you don't toe the line you hate all things American. Where have I heard this before?

Also - Baseball caps are for people who don't support this President! WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA BY WEARING A BASEBALL CAP?!?!

[okieinpain]

6. i think both sides are right, but I'm glad obama is sending

in more troops. I know that some people say al-qaeda isn't there, but I figure they will move back in as soon we vacate the place and be back to their old tricks in no time flat. I know it's a shitty deal, but I really don't think we can afford to loose there.

[Duende azul]

65. So will you join those troops?

to keep al queda out there?

[okieinpain]

112. sure if they will take me. I would rather go then some 20 year

old having to do 2 or 3 tours. yeah in afghan I would go, but I don't feel the same way about iraq.

[dgibby]

125. Recruiting stations are open now.

Back away from the keyboard and go sign up.

[Harry Monroe]

89. The British failed in Afghanistan, they lost an empire

The Soviet Union failed in Afghanistan. Its successor country, Russia is now a second rate nation.
And now we are trying where others failed. Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it. Our turn as a second tier nation is fast approaching.

[okieinpain]

111. I don't know everything, but I feel that if we left afghan now

like it is the taliban would take over with in a year. and once that happens al-qadae or whatever their name is will be back in full force up to their old tricks. I hear you on the war stuff doesn't work, but I really think there is no reasoning with these people, and that this will be an on going problem until the end of time.

[TornadoTN]

115. What do you expect when we prop up an illegitimate puppet regime like they have now?

The people there are pretty much in opposition to their government as it stands and most feel like it is a puppet regime installed by the United States. Can you blame them for being receptive to the Taliban, even though they have a laundry list of bad qualities themselves?

The best option would be to negotiate with all sides and make bargains where necessary to install a power sharing agreement between all parties involved. Not the masterminds circa 2001 Taliban, take them into custody.

[okieinpain]

120. I think that is part of the plan. maybe I'm wrong but I think they are

working that angle.

[Harry Monroe]

131. And just like the British and Soviets, we'll end up on the ashbin of history

...where Afghanistan is concerned.

[TornadoTN]

114. "Some people say Al-Qaeda isn't there" - including our very own CIA

So why are we fighting them there with what will be upwards of 100,000 troops? Why not use Special Forces and other assets to go after them where they really are currently?

This is ridiculous on its face. Al-Q is in Europe, Africa, Asia, and in other parts of the Middle East. Are we going to invade every country where they are at - or only the ones that have some kind of resource interest that our top 1% can exploit?

[okieinpain]

117. i think it's the taliban were currently fighting in afghan, with the

intentions of disrupting any plans that al-qaeda might have of re-estisblishing a central place for them to do business. I would also think we would fight al-qaeda any where they went and planned attacks against the U.S.

I think you would agree with that.

[gratuitous]

7. Don't forget that he's fat!

Okay, so Moore's absolutely right, but that's not the point of the "criticism" of his argument, is it?

[Ignis]

32. I'll summarize the entire anti-Moore argument for you:

Moore:


Obama:


By viewing these two pictures, we can obviously tell which one of these two public figures has made the more compelling case for or against Surge Mark II: Revenge of the Surges.

[QC]

34. OMG! It's all so clear now! n/t

[intheflow]

83. Look at Obama surging through that surging water!

OMG, the Truth is SOOOO CLEAR NOW!!!!! :think:

[Ignis]

85. See? He promised us the surge by this very pic!

How could we be so stupid as to not have seen the underlying message being thrust in our faces here?

SURGE!

(Sorry, that last one was gratuitous.)

[Aragorn]

8. why

do they always send the poor?

[reggie the dog]

74. system of a down BYOB

Why do they always send the poor?
Barbarisms by Barbaras
With pointed Heels
Victorious victories kneel
For brand new spanking deals

Marching forward hypocritic
And hypnotic computers
You depend on our protection
Yet you feed us lies from the tablecloth
La la la la la la la la la la
Everybody is going to the party
Have a real good time
Dancing in the desert
Blowing up the sunshine
Kneeling roses
Disappearing into Moses' dry mouth
Breaking into Fort Knox
Stealing our intentions
Hangars sitting, dripped in oil

Crying freedom!
Handed to obsoletion
Still you feed us lies from the tablecloth
la la la la la la la la la la
Everybody is going to the party
Have a real good time
Dancing in the desert
Blowing up the sunshine
Everybody is going to the party
Have a real good time
Dancing in the desert
Blowing up the sunshine
Blast off, it's party time
and we DON'T live in a fascist nation

Blast off, it's party time
And where the fuck are you?
Where the fuck are you?
Where the fuck are you?
Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Kneeling roses
Disappearing into Moses' dry mouth
Breaking into Fort Knox
Stealing our intentions
Hangers sitting, dripped in oil

Crying freedom!
Handed to a obsoletion
Still you feed us lies from the tablecloth
la la la la la la la la la la
Everybody is going to the party
Have a real good time
Dancing in the desert
Blowing up the sunshine
Everybody is going to the party
Have a real good time
Dancing in the desert
Blowing up the sun...
Where the fuck are you?
Where the fuck are you?
Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
They always send the poor!
They always send the poor!

[dgibby]

119. Because the poor are expendable.

They are an economic drain on the Empire, useless eaters, not able to contribute economically to the coffers of the greedy bastards who run the show, both in Congress and Wall Street. They have no money, so they have no representation. They can't make a decent living as civilians, especially in this economy, so they're forced to join in order to eat. Pretty slick, huh?

And before I get flamed, I don't agree with sending the poor,nor do I believe they're "useless eaters", but that's the way they're viewed by the MIC. In other words, they're cannon fodder as far as the PTB are concerned.

[Life Long Dem]

9. Very dramatic Michael.

Say if there is less than a hundred al Qaeda in Afghanistan, then cleaning up and stabilizing the area should be a lot quicker, thus less killed.

And then they can get the hell out of there.

But he seems to be taking the CIA's word pretty easily.

[newtothegame]

10. This isn't Michael Moore. Michael Moore wouldn't give a free pass to any politican...

no matter how much 'history' their election made.

Oh wait, I forgot the the cropped Carlyle Group picture in Fahrenheit...

[CoffeeCat]

116. What cropped Carlyle Group picture?

Sounds intriguing.

Was someone cut out of the photo?

[newtothegame]

118. I swear I saw the picture of the Carlyle group that he used in his movie...

un-cropped somewhere else and it contained virtually all the big names in Congress, not just the Repugs. Hillary, Kerry, etc. Basically I'm saying as much as I like Michael's message, I'm disappointed that he doesn't think he can make his point without withholding information from you.

[Deja Q]

12. Tell him to make a movie or actually go out and revolt instead of telling people to do it for him

When his capitalism movie came out a couple months ago, he was saying how he'd be fed to the lions (he hasn't) and that he'd quit making movies if people didn't start a revolution.

People know he's no deity and aren't going to rot or die for HIM.

People see him as a socialist anyway, so I find his turn on events amusing...

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikes-letter/congratulations-president-obama-nobel-peace-prize-now-please-earn-it
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikes-letter/get-obamas-back-second-thoughts-michael-moore

Like limbaugh, he makes way too much money just to rile up the media (and to tell others to go out and revolt for him).

If everyone on DU did the same thing for a living as those two mouthpieces, America really WOULD be worse off.

Maybe he's feeding with the lions...

[RetroLounge]

14. Comparing Moore to Limbaugh is a favorite tactic of the right

but you knew that, didn't you?

RL

[QC]

29. He is always our most reliable source of right wing talking points.

Kinda makes one wonder.

[RetroLounge]

52. Oh, I've never wondered about this one...

He's on the right-wing side of every issue.

RL

[dgibby]

126. Why is he still here?

I'd have thought he'd be shipping out with his unit by now.

[RetroLounge]

139. Ha!

Only if they dress in Star Trek uniforms...

:rofl:

RL

[Luminous Animal]

101. Revolution? Revolt for him? Quote? Link?

[Ignis]

13. "Fat, baseball-hat-wearing, money-grubbing, no talent..."

:eyes:

Are there any other ad-hominems that the Warmonger crowd would like to sling at Mr. Moore?

[hfojvt]

22. maybe if he grew a white beard and put on a red suit

cap on head
suit that's red
speacial night
beard that's white ...


So, sue me, I listened (and sang) to too much Mitch Miller as a kid.


edit: a boy named Sure?

[Harry Monroe]

91. "He's also ugly and his momma dresses him funny"

Then again, I'm not for this war either!!

[Ignis]

95. My momma always said I had a point.

That's why I wear a hat.

[Harry Monroe]

107. A pointy hat like the Pope?

[Ignis]

127. Amusingly enough...

I do actually own a mitre. :D

Never throw away halloween costumes, I say. You never know when you might be called upon to become Pope.

[Harry Monroe]

128. There is a character down in New Orleans that dresses up as the pope for Saints games!

He is called "Da Pope"! He also has a little hole in the wall bar on the waterways in St. Bernard Parish (in a little community called Violet) off the River Road by the same name!

[Ignis]

130. That's pretty awesome.

He should really pass these out:

http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/popecard.html

[TexasObserver]

15. Recommend, because it is insane.

Basing one's foreign policy upon the advice of one's disasterous predecessor is INSANE.

You'd think he would look at his 35% approval on Afghanistan and figure it out, but he's too busy taking advice from psychos like McCrystal.

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[leftstreet]

19. That's why the antiwar movement failed

It never exposed citizens to the WHY WHAT WHERE of these bullshit energy and strategic presence wars.

Just hauled out the old Bring The Troops Home meme.
Well who wouldn't agree with that?

Sad

[Luminous Animal]

102. I've been involved in every anti-war movement in the past 20 years.

And all they do is talk about WHY WHAT WHERE. It's the media that likes the Bring The Troops Home meme, ignoring the WHY WHAT WHERE aspect so GE can give the gloss of reporting the news while raking in their war profiteering dough.

[TexasObserver]

20. It's more "my guy, right or wrong."

Apparently, a troop build up in Afghanistan is the only campaign promise he's going to keep.

[bvar22]

31. Not really insane...

IF you are a War Profiteer, or someone who represents War Profiteers in Washington.

[TexasObserver]

36. Agreed. It's sane for war profiteers, but not for the US citizenry.

[NNN0LHI]

21. Perhaps if idiots like Mike hadn't supported Nader we wouldn't be in ANY wars right now?

I wonder if that ever crosses his mind?

Don

[leftstreet]

25. So then...if McCain had won maybe we'd still have an antiwar movement?

:shrug:

[Life Long Dem]

56. Yes we would.

We are not living in 2004. McCain would be carrying on with the Bush war and we are cleaning up the war. It is our war, and our war to clean up.

War is peace.

We have a Government in place to serve and protect the people from the warmongering corporations that McCain represents. That's what this war is about. It's about cleaning up after these guys for the wars they stated. When are you going to see this?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

26. Yeah it's all Michael Moore's fault

forget voting machines, the Florida recount, purging the voting rolls, the US Supreme Court etc.

[redqueen]

27. It's not Nader's fault... nor the fault of anyone who voted for him.

Nothing is *ever* the fault of the splintering left. Ever.

Well ecxept maybe in France... with that LePen guy... maybe leftists in France are quicker on the uptake than those here?

[bvar22]

33. Where does the "Centrist" leadership of the Democratic Party...

...ignoring The Left, enacting Pro Corporate Republican Policy, and leaving a huge sucking vacuum on The Left......


Just where does that fit in in terms of responsibility?

The Working Class should just blindly keep voting for politicians who work AGAINST their Economic Interests? :shrug:

If not Nader, it would have been someone else.


K&R
Thank You, Michael Moore.



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[redqueen]

37. The working class should get involved in the party and change it. (nt)

[bvar22]

47. Oh, Jesus. Why didn't I think of that?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=160&topic_id=14207

[redqueen]

49. deleted

[PVnRT]

39. Nothing is the fault of conservative Democrats either, apparently

[redqueen]

41. Yeah, it's their fault voters won't learn from history. (nt)

[PVnRT]

50. Some 200,000 registered Democrats voted Bush in 2000 in Florida

1% of those would have made Nader irrelevant, yet all we ever here around here is how Nader and the evil lefties got Bush into the White House.

[redqueen]

51. And yet people still think if we nominated an even leftier lefty...

that we'd somehow be able to get them into office and make progress (despite congress).

It's amazing, really.

Seems to me the change has to come from the electorate. We can all preen here all day about how right we are, but until we convince the rest of the voters...

[liberation]

72. Obama is a "leftie" now

LOL

Let me guess, you are one of them new and improved "independent conservative leaning" types. Eh?

[bvar22]

63. It is the Democratic Party Leadership that is demonstrating....

...the failure to learn from history....1994.....2000.
Stop blaming The Voters for the failure of the Democratic Party Leadership.
Ignore The Left at your "Centrist" peril!

The DLC New Team
Republican Lite ONLY!
Liberal Democrats Need NOT Apply

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)


Harry Truman had it right:

"Given the the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the Republican every time.”---Truman

[Fumesucker]

45. And it's most certainly not the fault of the Democrats..

For supporting policies which put one out of six of their by far strongest voting base in prison.

Without the more than decimation of the black male population by the drug war Gore would have handily won Florida in 2000.

One in three black males goes to prison in his life, thanks largely to the drug war, overwhelmingly supported by the Democrats.

In Florida, felons lose their right to vote.

I'm sure you can connect the dots.

[frylock]

60. i'm sure you can connect the dots..

don't count on it. this one is not too bright.

[Ignis]

86. "My opponent is soft on crime!"

For some reason, these words are like kryptonite to Democratic politicians.

[Name removed]

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[liberation]

68. So, Nader is the one who forced Mr. Obama to send all those troops in a pointless war RIGTH NOW?

Wow, it is very sad having to excuse the actions of your idol by blaming a marginalized old dude who ran for president a decade ago.

LOL

[dana_b]

80. I blame Nader's parents

afterall, if they hadn't of had him... well... you get the idea. So get this straight - Ralph Nader's parents are responsible for this war!!

[ShamelessHussy]

96. lol - after all these years, that's all you got? i'd say the dem admin is looking a lot like the old

good-cop vs bad-cop

[AllentownJake]

35. Laughing at all the people attacking Michael Moore

Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, Russ Feingold etc...

[Generator]

44. Howard Dean...

Dennis Kucinich, The Black Congressional Congress, Ed Schultz, Alan Grayson-those are the immediate ones that pop in my head. If the people on this board haven't figured out that if everyone that was once your hero or you admired (and I realize I don't agree with EVERYTHING these people have said or done) are now saying things you don't like because of your deep love of ONE man and not the ideas and harm that his ideas are leading to well it's goodbye all critical thought. It's only love. There is no reason left. "I support my president." Yeah when he actually does what I support and have always supported and only then. That would be an end to war as soon as possible and real health care reform for starters. Otherwise it's time to protest and speak up.

[RetroLounge]

53. Tossed under the Hopemobile with the rest

Got your pom pons yet?

:hi:

RL

[AllentownJake]

55. Shit the President is coming to town Friday

I'm dealing with people trying to get them tickets (I guess they still think this is 2008 and I can still get them for them)

My pom poms are way in the closet right now.

[Vidar]

57. Recommended for Moore & kpete.

[Karmadillo]

61. "He's a man of peace." LOL.

nt

[democracy1st]

66. K & R

[DemBones DemBones]

71. Michael, you're insane. Next election, keep your big mouth shut.

Better yet, have it wired shut and you can lose some weight on one of those liquid diets.

[liberation]

75. I think he needs some physical exercise too....

... I heard those liquid diet/goose stepping regimes worked wonders for some of you.

[DemBones DemBones]

79. Hmmm. . .

are you saying a liquid diet could lead to goose stepping? I can see that. Ugly picture, though.

[dana_b]

81. how original of you!

you must be so proud.

[Ignis]

84. DU says: "We Hate Fatties!"

And we're supposed to be the good guys. :eyes:

[krawhitham]

92. He is our Beck :)

[ShamelessHussy]

97. freak alert

[Geek_Girl]

73. I'm not really sure I buy Obama is being duped by the Generals bit

But I do agree that troop build up is insane.

[pleah]

82. K&R

[liberal_at_heart]

88. We need a new strategy alright

I'm glad there are so few Al Qaeda in Afganistan right now. The question is where are they now and what do we do about them? Are we suppose to go from country to country invading every country they move to? If they're not in Afganistan now where are they? Probably in Pakistan. Does that mean we will be invading Pakistan next? I know we have to have some kind of counter terrorism program to track and find Al Qeada but does that mean we have to have a military offensive in every country we find them in? Michael Moore is right. This is insane. This is crazy. How are we suppose to win the war against Al Qeada this way?

[amandabeech]

105. I agree completely.

We cannot shoot up every country in which an Al Quaeda follower operates.

We simply have to find a new strategy to contain and defend against Al Quaeda and those it inspires.

[dgibby]

121. Well, according to the Bush Doctrine we can. n/t

[shadesofgray]

90. I adore Michael Moore but if Obama listens to bad advice, that does not say much for Obama.

[unkachuck]

94. thanks Mike, you're the best....

"Our own CIA says there's less than a hundred al Qaeda in Afghanistan,"...."What are we doing in Afghanistan?"

....maybe they're going to try and remove the nukes from Pakistan?....it's got to be bigger than 100 al Qaeda....and loose Pakistani nukes are at the root of our fear....

[defendandprotect]

100. It is "INSANE" . . . insane in every way for our nation, from the beginning lies to the

continuing lies --

[malaise]

104. MM is correct

:cry:

[Jester Messiah]

106. 18 months to wind down an 8 year war is not asking too much.

It seems obvious that Obama is doing his best to bring Afghanistan to an orderly conclusion, to get us out of there with a modicum of grace and dignity. Screeching and whining from the impatient is just another thing he'll have to endure while fixing all the messes left to him by the previous admin.

[dgibby]

122. Unless you happen to be one of the ones who has to die

so we can maintain our dignity. When do you leave for boot camp?

[Jester Messiah]

129. When I'm done at your mom's house.

Hey, ask a stupid question... :rofl:

[dgibby]

132. FYI, sonny:

My mother and father are both dead. I'M old enough to be your grandmother. I served 22yrs in the Navy as an RN, and I seriously doubt YOU could handle some of the things I've seen.

And oh, BTW, my mother would have run your ass off her porch before you could have rung the bell.

[Jester Messiah]

133. Then you should be old enough to know better.

I mean seriously, the best you can do is "when do you ship out?" That's the depth of your argument? Weak, weak, weak.

[dgibby]

134. No, I just think you should put YOUR ass on the line.

Sitting on the sidelines waving your pom poms is a strange way of supporting your cause.

[Jester Messiah]

135. And how do you know that that's all I'm doing?

Oh wait, you DON'T. Go lecture someone else. Or better yet crack a damn book, it's never too late to learn something.

[LastNaturalist]

109. His last movie bombed, so he needs attention.

Just sayin'. I like MM, but his ego is almost as large as Kucinich's.

[Butch350]

110. Oh my god, you must be kidding.

I have never ever heard of anything like this before in the recorded history of our nation - SOLDIERS GOING OFF TO FIGHT IN ANOTHER COUNTRY!!! Somebody please alert the press. President Obama! Shame on you! NO PRESIDENT in the history of this nation has ever
sent people off to fight in a war! IMPEACH HIM IMMEDIATELY! Now, god dammit now!

[dgibby]

123. When does your unit ship out?

I wouldn't want to miss your deployment.

[dionysus]

136. you know all this frothing and demanding peole enlist is some of the most childish shit one can

come up with.

[dgibby]

137. Not nearly as childish as supporting a war that requires others to die for your cause. n/t

[dionysus]

138. as has been said many times before. there's a lot of people who think we spent the last 8 yrs

breaking the joint and have the obligation to attempt to fix it.

to call those people warmongers and demand they enlist is childish at best. you may not agree with it, but to call that warmongering or cheerleading for death is intellectually dishonest.

[dionysus]

124. for what it's worth, mike is naive if he thinks the problem over there is just 100 guys in a cave.

completely seperate from the issue of the buildup, the area is controlled by extremists who'd like to bring pakistan and afghanistan under sharia law.

ya know, the guys blowing up schools, chopping people's heads off, throwing acid in women's faces ect.

whether or not we should have anything to do with it is a seperate issue.