HOORAY! MoveOn.Org breaks with Rahm's "Message Discipline" Team

[bvar22]

...and comes out AGAINST The Escalation!

MoveOn finally broke with the White House after a year of keeping quiet about The Escalation plans for Afghanistan, and participating in the White House "Message Discipline" Program.



Since 2004, I have stopped donation to ALL "Centrist" Democrats, and instead send any donations to "LIBERAL" Democrats with proven track records, or Primary challengers to "Centrist" incumbents.
I have also stopped all donations to the DCCC, DSCC, and the DNC after they banished Howard Dean and took credit for his work.

When MoveOn refused to address Obama's planned escalation in Afghanistan in the spirit of Party Unity, I also stopped donations to them. I later learned that they were participating in Rahm's "Message Discipline" Program and functioning as nothing more than a White House propaganda outlet.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/10-1

Today, they have posted THIS on their website:


http://www.moveon.org/

Help end the Wars for Corporate Profits!
Donate to MoveOn.

I can start sending them donations again.
Boy, I bet Rahm is really pissed!

[ShortnFiery]

1. Rahm should be demoted to Protocol ... enforcing the WH Invitation Lists.

:evilgrin:

[bvar22]

12. He would be good at that!

He has certainly been good at keeping anyone from the Progressive Caucus out of the White House. They have been reduced to writing letters.

:hippie

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. What other bastards have been part of a "Message Discipline"

team? It's shit like "Message Discipline" that allows them to lead us into these god damn things.

[xiamiam]

5. message discipline..could that be the reason for the unrec feature?

move on a part of controlled news?..amazing to me..

[MineralMan]

21. What nonsense is this? What a strange notion.

In the first place, messages remain visible no matter how many unrecs a thread has. What sort of conspiracy theory have you cooked up here? DU is in someone's pocket? Bizarre thinking, I'd say.

[rudy23]

31. Bingo. We have a winner.

You know, every time I complained about unrec, I got one of those WILD over the top ad hominems that were exactly like those Kucinich bashing threads. (check out my journal if you're interested in a history of this---I've been talking about it since July) http://journals.democraticunderground.com/rudy23/55

They always have the exact tone of Rahm Emanuel. Message discipline. Their idea of message discipline is always making sure to say "I want a pony" to anyone who criticizes Obama. Or to use the exact same terminology and references when bashing Kucinich and trying to brand us all with his battered image at their hands.

[Confusious]

37. Do the voices talk to you too?

They told me the same thing!

[rudy23]

43. Nope. Just an observation about how obvious the trolls have become.

You know, nasty ad hominems, accusing people of becoming conspiracy theorists, disproportionate feelings about the "unrec" feature to a suspicious degree.

Sorry about the voices in your head, though, hilariously misspelled Confucius.

[Confusious]

36. I personally think it's a plot by the

Aliens and Tom cruise along with the Scientologists. If they would just stop talking to me, I could get some work done.

[bvar22]

6. The White House "Message Discipline" program was quiet.

Center for American Progress was also a participant.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/10-1

This is good news for Liberals who want to see The Democratic Party move back to The Left.

[xiamiam]

8. thanks for the link..its unbelievable but i had my suspicions..nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. So now Move On, after being duped, after the genie is out of the bottle

has regrets about how it isn't turning out the way they wanted it to. The law of unintended consequences will get you every time.

[chill_wind]

14. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Thank you bvar22. And as for Scahill... he'll be taking enemy incoming from every stinking direction.
I've even seen it tried a little here.

[bvar22]

15. They ALL....

...do seem to get their Talking Points on the same day, don't they?

[bvar22]

16. Scahill is a true patriot who....

...would be smart to stay out of small planes.
Whistle Blowers don't last long in today's Corporate America.
:hippie:

[chill_wind]

17. Yes.

He occasionally gets phone calls.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=407102&mesg_id=407102

[chimpymustgo]

18. My GOD, that's scary. Again - if the Bushies did this we'd be SCREAMING. You should post an OP

with these links for background on all this. Very revealing. And infuriating.

[xiamiam]

19. * did a form of this with the phony propaganda clips inserted in the nightly news

in the first few years of the iraq war...one billion dollars worth of phony videos..

this, is even more sinister imo...when * and co were doing their nasty work, i had this place and the progressive outrage at other blogs to lean on..

now, we've discovered a concerted effort to target progressive groups to have them lean more centrist...this is bs...bs....bs.....although i could feel it...i knew something was up....

[KakistocracyHater]

28. no! they're leaning RIGHT, not toward any center

that sends the message more accurately. Where are the Left? Too much it's the Right & the Other Right.

[amborin]

32. Scary, if true....think about it: isn't that fascism?

[xultar]

3. "Message Discipline" Program...this shit gets better every fucking day...it's like marinade

or something.

I am cracking the fuck up.

Obama is a regular old regular old politician I tried to tell y'all but you wouldn't listen. ROFFPNMFPLMFAO....

[MineralMan]

22. It's a conspiracy, fer shure. And the gubmint won't admit it.

They never admit it. Speculation is truth. Truth is nonsense. They control all discussion forums.

Geez! What a strange thread.

[chill_wind]

23. Nah. Nobody in politics gets elected to a high office without a strong "message discipline team".

And the Obama team's was superlative. It just looks like Rahmbo might not be able stay in control of the discipline on this one. I can't say that makes me sad.

And I'd like to see a little more transparency on this one:

Some open government groups, such as the Sunlight Foundation and the Campaign Legal Center, criticize the Center's failure to disclose its contributors, particularly since it is so influential in appointments to the Obama administration.<6>

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_American_Progress

But I'm nosy that way.

[Duende azul]

25. Don`t worry. There are no conspiracies. And Rahm is just in it for the fun.

[JoeyT]

34. I didn't see any "conspiracy" in what she said.

It looked like she just said Obama was just another politician.
It's difficult to see how she was wrong.

[Oregone]

4. That would of also been useful during the HCR boondoggle

[bvar22]

11. Oh Man, do I agree.

It would have been helpful for:

*EFCA

*Trickle Down Stimulus

*Renegotiation of NAFTA

*Equal Rights and Equal Protections for EVERYBODY

*TARP

*Increasing Military Spending

...and so many other issues.

It may not be too late for Health Care if we can speak in a collective voice against another Trillion Dollar Corporate Give Away.

Not having a co-ordinated and unified voice on the National level really helped the White House cram a bunch of "Centrist" (Republican-Lite) policy down our throats. I still haven't forgiven MoveOn for their betrayal, but am delighted that they at least have the balls to STAND for something again.

The White House must realize that we are not going quietly into another Corporate Profits Good Night.

OUT NOW!
Prosecute WAR PROFITEERS!


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[democrank]

7. "Message discipline" is just another frigged up habit

of Washington image makers, Rham included. Does anyone speak from the heart any more? Does anyone tell the truth? Do we really need focus groups and trial balloons? Do we really need 18 regular Americans wired up to an emotion meter so we can decide which words have the most impact and which way the wind is blowing? I`m SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fed up with this crap.

[xiamiam]

10. i want to rec this 1000 times...it just explains so much...nt

[NYC_SKP]

13. What Soros Needs to Do is Launch a Cable News and Talk Network.

I'd be glued to it.

:patriot:

[AndrewP]

20. Good for them

[Duende azul]

24. But a little late...

[AndrewP]

26. True

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

27. I want to know why MoveOn signed onto message discipline in the first place!

"Yes, let's parrot what Rahm tells us to" - is that what MoveOn thinks its members expect from this organization?!

More important to be in with the in crowd than to do its core mission? Just another sellout.

[slipslidingaway]

40. MoveOn was there from the beginning to help SELL the public option...

and therefore silence the single payer movement, along with other liberals.

The insurance companies thank everyone who helped for the new customers.

:(

[Techn0Girl]

29. Wonder if the "Message Discipline" program includes a component...

where posters enforce certain memes on certain blogs.
En masse

[nemo137]

35. Given that this is the 3rd or 4th time I've seen that in this thread

I have to wonder if it is.

[rudy23]

30. They really need to go after Rahm.

It's not like he's not going after us.

[slipslidingaway]

33. knr nt

[FraDon]

38. Waist deep in the big muddy …

… and the big fools say to push on. • History ∞ A young Pete Seeger's version.
.

[slipslidingaway]

39. Rahm Goes Apeshit on Liberals in the Veal Pen

By: Jane Hamsher Friday August 7, 2009

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/rahm-goes-apeshit-on-liberals-in-the-veal-pen/

"On Tuesday, Common Purpose held its weekly meeting where lobbyist Erik Smith and a comm person from the White House tell liberal interest groups what they should be saying that week. Then if anyone gets out of line, they kick their asses. Along with Unity 09 and the 8:45 am call, they exist to form a solid left flank and keep the White House immune from liberal criticism. I like to call them collectively "the veal pen."

...Look, Rahm has told the Blue Dogs they can do what they want to on health care. Maxine Waters confirmed it. When the Blue Dogs held the bill hostage, they got everything they wanted — Rahm and Jan "bail" Schakowsky got progressives to drop their very meaningful demands, which Mike Ross acknowledged "would have led to single payer." They gave them up in exchange for a meaningless floor vote on single payer. Go team.

Rahm was always going to beat the shit out of progressives to vote for a bad bill. The goal of the whip count effort was to make it impossible to pass a bad bill by getting progressives to commit to vote against one in sufficient numbers, such that Rahm had to either beat the Blue Dogs up or fail. But first he was always going to beat up the progressives.

The organizations that are usually at the Common Purpose meeting include Rock the Vote, the unions, the LCCR, the Sierra Club, HCAN, Bob Creamer (Jan Schakowsky’s husband) of Americans United for Change, CAP, Media Matters, MoveOn, Campaign for America’s Future and numerous other groups that earn their seat at that particular table by not bucking the White House. (The notable exception is MoveOn, who bravely sent a letter to their members telling them to contact the White House and tell Obama to rein Rahm in on triggers. I’m going to guess THAT precipitated quite the phone call.) ...."

[chill_wind]

41. There you go :-)

The organizations that are usually at the Common Purpose meeting include Rock the Vote, the unions, the LCCR, the Sierra Club, HCAN, Bob Creamer (Jan Schakowsky’s husband) of Americans United for Change, CAP, Media Matters, MoveOn, Campaign for America’s Future and numerous other groups that earn their seat at that particular table by not bucking the White House. (The notable exception is MoveOn, who bravely sent a letter to their members telling them to contact the White House and tell Obama to rein Rahm in on triggers. I’m going to guess THAT precipitated quite the phone call.) ...."



Sort of like the GOP's old Weekly Prayer Breakfasts, but without the prayer. (more like whole lots of recitations of 4-letter expletives :-)

Weekly Swear Breakfasts. Hah! I kill me.


:hi:

[slipslidingaway]

42. :))) Prayer - swear - some things never change. n/t