Only 30 house Democrats have worse party loyalty than Kucinich

[WonderGrunion]

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/111/house/party-voters/

# 92.1%
* Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)
o Representing: Ohio, District 10
o Voted with Democratic Party: 92.1 percent of 926 votes.
* Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC)
o Representing: North Carolina, District 7
o Voted with Democratic Party: 92.1 percent of 924 votes.

# 92.0%
* Rep. John Adler (D-NJ)
o Representing: New Jersey, District 3
o Voted with Democratic Party: 92.0 percent of 905 votes.


# 91.7%

* Rep. Chris Carney (D-PA)
o Representing: Pennsylvania, District 10
o Voted with Democratic Party: 91.7 percent of 851 votes.
* Rep. Ron Kind (D-WI)
o Representing: Wisconsin, District 3
o Voted with Democratic Party: 91.7 percent of 911 votes.

# 91.6%

* Rep. Jim Matheson (D-UT)
o Representing: Utah, District 2
o Voted with Democratic Party: 91.6 percent of 920 votes.

# 91.5%

* Rep. Bill Foster (D-IL)
o Representing: Illinois, District 14
o Voted with Democratic Party: 91.5 percent of 928 votes.

# 91.3%

* Rep. Charles Melancon (D-LA)
o Representing: Louisiana, District 3
o Voted with Democratic Party: 91.3 percent of 855 votes.

# 91.1%

* Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ)
o Representing: Arizona, District 8
o Voted with Democratic Party: 91.1 percent of 919 votes.

# 91.0%

* Rep. Mike Arcuri (D-NY)
o Representing: New York, District 24
o Voted with Democratic Party: 91.0 percent of 925 votes.

# 90.5%

* Rep. Melissa Bean (D-IL)
o Representing: Illinois, District 8
o Voted with Democratic Party: 90.5 percent of 875 votes.

# 90.2%

* Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA)
o Representing: Virginia, District 5
o Voted with Democratic Party: 90.2 percent of 878 votes.

# 89.6%

* Rep. Harry Teague (D-NM)
o Representing: New Mexico, District 2
o Voted with Democratic Party: 89.6 percent of 911 votes.

# 89.1%

* Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D-IN)
o Representing: Indiana, District 8
o Voted with Democratic Party: 89.1 percent of 917 votes.

# 88.9%

* Rep. Dan Boren (D-OK)
o Representing: Oklahoma, District 2
o Voted with Democratic Party: 88.9 percent of 919 votes.
* Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN)
o Representing: Tennessee, District 5
o Voted with Democratic Party: 88.9 percent of 906 votes.

# 88.8%

* Rep. Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
o Representing: Indiana, District 2
o Voted with Democratic Party: 88.8 percent of 925 votes.

# 88.7%

* Rep. Jim Marshall (D-GA)
o Representing: Georgia, District 8
o Voted with Democratic Party: 88.7 percent of 908 votes.

# 88.2%

* Rep. Jason Altmire (D-PA)
o Representing: Pennsylvania, District 4
o Voted with Democratic Party: 88.2 percent of 929 votes.

* Rep. Scott Murphy (D-NY)
o Representing: New York, District 20
o Voted with Democratic Party: 88.2 percent of 672 votes.

# 87.4%

* Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick (D-AZ)
o Representing: Arizona, District 1
o Voted with Democratic Party: 87.4 percent of 919 votes.

# 87.2%

* Rep. Baron Hill (D-IN)
o Representing: Indiana, District 9
o Voted with Democratic Party: 87.2 percent of 897 votes.

# 85.9%

* Rep. Parker Griffith (D-AL)
o Representing: Alabama, District 5
o Voted with Democratic Party: 85.9 percent of 908 votes.

# 84.5%

* Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD)
o Representing: Maryland, District 1
o Voted with Democratic Party: 84.5 percent of 925 votes.

# 84.1%

* Rep. Glenn Nye (D-VA)
o Representing: Virginia, District 2
o Voted with Democratic Party: 84.1 percent of 927 votes.

# 83.4%

* Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC)
o Representing: North Carolina, District 11
o Voted with Democratic Party: 83.4 percent of 892 votes.

# 82.3%

* Rep. Harry Mitchell (D-AZ)
o Representing: Arizona, District 5
o Voted with Democratic Party: 82.3 percent of 926 votes.

# 81.2%

* Rep. Travis Childers (D-MS)
o Representing: Mississippi, District 1
o Voted with Democratic Party: 81.2 percent of 919 votes.

# 79.1%

* Rep. Gene Taylor (D-MS)
o Representing: Mississippi, District 4
o Voted with Democratic Party: 79.1 percent of 888 votes.

# 71.1%

* Rep. Bobby Bright (D-AL)
o Representing: Alabama, District 2
o Voted with Democratic Party: 71.1 percent of 903 votes.

# 67.5%

* Rep. Walt Minnick (D-ID)
o Representing: Idaho, District 1
o Voted with Democratic Party: 67.5 percent of 915 votes.

[mcablue]

1. Strawman: The disputed claim is whether Kucinich is comparable to conservative Republicans

Strawman.

Earlire it was said that Kucinich had an alliance with conservatives (Republicans).


Now please start a thread comparing THEIR percentage of pro-Democratic votes (which likely hovers 10-15%) to Kucinich's 92%.

[WonderGrunion]

2. It's not my fault that a link you provided shows that Kucinich

is one of the most disloyal Democrats in congress.

[mcablue]

5. It's like saying that Oprah is one of the poorest richest people in the world

She's still filthy rich.

[ZombieHorde]

3. Kucinich has brown hair and is married. nt

[WonderGrunion]

11. And his wife is smoking hot.

He's still votes with the Rethugs more than 80% of all Democrats.

[sabrina 1]

22. Looks like it's hard for you to distinguish the difference

between someone who votes for something simply because it's the right thing to do, and someone who does it for the wrong reasons, such as 'party loyalty'.

You're wasting your time really. Most people do get why a person with a conscience votes the way they do and why someone with no conscience votes for political reasons.

Your attempt to discredit Kucinich this way fails with anyone who can think. It's like saying that FDR and Stalin had a lot in common because they both hated Hitler (with credit to the DUer who made that comparison).

Your argument is disingenuous and makes no point. Why don't you attack him on the issues he stands for? I always ask Kucinich haters to explain what it is they disagree with him about, but they never answer. Instead they all do what you just did. Try to avoid discussing the issues he raises and veer off into a virtual ditch trying to make some kind of point, which they never do.

He has been right on just about all of the major issues of the past eight years. If Congress and the Republicans actually HAD voted with him, guess what, this country would be in excellent shape right now. But sadly, Democrats voted for Bush's agenda so often it was difficult to believe they were supposed to be the opposition party. Eg, one third of Senate Dems voting with Republicans for the Military Commissions Act (how did you feel about that, btw, AGAINST Habeas Corpus).

I don't why it is so hard to simply admit that he was right on most of the important issues, and still is. The fruitless effort to try to justify what Democrats have supported by claiming Kucinich should have been 'loyal to the Party' is more than a bit creepy, frankly.

He does get under the skin of the party loyalists for some reason though.

[rollingrock]

23. Your mentality of party loyalty above all else

is no different than the Palin-bots and Bushbots.

[ZombieHorde]

29. He has two legs and is often seen wearing a shirt.

I don't understand why we are posting pointless random facts about DK, but I guess this is kind of fun.

[hfojvt]

25. legalize Loni Anderson's hair

:hi:

[Cant trust em]

4. Fuck party loyalty.

Vote your conscience.

I wish the party would show me some loyalty.

[WonderGrunion]

7. Let's rephrase it. Only 30 Democrats vote with the Rethugs

more often than Kucinich

[mcablue]

10. Does he have an alliance with conservatives?

Or does he have an alliance with his party? Which statement is more accurate?

[WonderGrunion]

35. Dennis Kucinich announces alliance with conservatives

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x35240

[mcablue]

38. lol you link to a DU member who claimed Kucinich has an alliance with conservatives

That's some source.

[HamdenRice]

40. No it's a link to Dennis saying he is allied with conservative Repugs on Democracy Now nt

AMY GOODMAN: The War Appropriations Bill almost didn’t get passed. There was a lot of opposition in Congress. But what is your sense of what will happen now?
...
Do you find actually on the media—I bumped into you yesterday when you were heading into Fox in Washington, D.C.—that you are making more common cause with those on the right who are actually saying that the struggle is here at home and that we shouldn’t be in Afghanistan spending this money?

REP. DENNIS KUCINCH: The answer to that is yes. and I think we need to look for common cause with people with whom we may have a different way of looking at the world. I cite as an example Congressman Rohrabacher from California. Another example, Congressman Duncan. Congressman Chaffetz from <Utah>. They’re all challenging the war.

The Cato Institute has issued what I think is a very reasoned approach towards getting out of Afghanistan. We need to look for allies across the boards here, and we have to get away from the old thinking that pigeonholes any of us into left/right, liberal/conservative.

[mcablue]

47. Yeah, The link referred to an alliance on ONE specific issue, i.e. the Afghanistan war

Kucinich spoke of no other issue. If you look at the big picture (which is what the voting record is about, Kucinich is (of course) not allied to these far-right Republicans, who most of the time are at odds with Kucinich.

By the way, in this agreement, Kucinich didn't turn right. The Republicans turned left.

Cherry-picking is a bad form of argument.

[Bjorn Against]

18. Bullshit.

Kucinich is often one of the lone votes against bills that get wide bipartisan support despite the fact that they are bad bills, he often votes against the Republicans when the rest of the Democrats are voting with them.

[murdoch]

26. Absolutely

I am not a Democrat. I am a progressive. That is why I voted for Nader in 2000 and 2004. I voted for Obama in 2008 and all it has meant is TARP, more troops in Afghanistan, and a health bill which will be stalled into the next decade.

[msongs]

6. Hitler's Nazis used party loyalty as a benchmark as well. good going

as if that's all there is.

Msongs

[WonderGrunion]

8. Godwin's law says I win.

Thank you for admitting defeat.

[msongs]

14. btw here's the biden/obama party loyalty scores from the bush era....

congessional quartely


http://www.cqpolitics.com/cq-assets/cqmultimedia/flash/votestudy/index.html

biden 93, obama 96 according to that site, on votes taken while bush w was president

[dhpgetsit]

9. And what is "Party Loyalty" worth?

Kucinich is loyal to his own principles. And who among the other 30 can really be compared with Kucinich?

[WonderGrunion]

13. Loyalty to one's self is megalomania

On that front, no one compares to Kucinich.

[dhpgetsit]

49. You misquoted me.

I said "Kucinich is loyal to his own principles."
His principles have to do with a lot more than himself. Your choice of the word "Megalomania" is inflammatory hyperbole.

[flvegan]

12. And once again, the partyline toting crybabies take a swipe at Kucinich.

How fucking pathetic. Seriously. God forbid voting actual values over lobbyist sponsored shit.

[msongs]

15. welfare for billionaires or peace and prosperity? tough call nt

[WonderGrunion]

16. A Kucinichite posted the link to claim how loyal Dennis was

A little further reading showed that it was exactly the opposite of what they claimed. Dennis is as bad as the Blue Dogs when it comes to voting with the Democratic Party.

[flvegan]

27. Your concern? Duly noted.

Dumbass.

[Warren Stupidity]

17. Dennis votes the way I would vote. nt

[lordsummerisle]

19. Agreed

One of my favorite quotes is when asked why he voted against the Patriot Act, Kucinich replied, "Because I read it."

[RedCappedBandit]

20. What good is loyalty to the Democratic party?

[Fading Captain]

21. Party Loyalty is for Fascists.

Fuck the Corporate Dittocrats.

[WonderGrunion]

31. The insurance corporations appreciated Dennis' vote

on Health Care Reform.

[krawhitham]

42. Same people defending Dennis' voting record, BITCH about the Blue Dogs' voting record

WTF

[Kansas Wyatt]

24. So Dennis Kucinich ISN'T a NEW DEMOCRAT?

Good for him!

Time to throw the NEW DEMOCRATS out of Washington!

Not good, huh?

Well, what the fuck have the NEW DEMOCRATS given the American People lately... no, ever?

And when have the NEW DEMOCRATS ever placed the American People ahead of Corporate America?

[WonderGrunion]

32. No Dennis is an old Democrat. He preens in public

then votes with the insurance industry and rethugs while appearing on Faux news.

[Flaneur]

28. Perhaps party loyalty isn't always the most desired value.

[WonderGrunion]

33. I could care less about how pure Dennis is

Another Kucinichite posted the link claiming it showed how good a Democrat Dennis really was.

[Starry Messenger]

30. lulz

What is your intended audience for this kind of thing?

[WonderGrunion]

34. Just exposing the fact that Kool-Aid doesn't just come In Obama Orange

There's a lot of Dennis Fruit Punch being drunk around here too.

[Starry Messenger]

36. You'd probably get more views and approbation in GDP.

In here we like to think about things. :)

[WonderGrunion]

37. Considering the original link was posted In GDP

to show what a "good Democrat" Dennis was, I thought turnabout was fair play.

I'm getting plenty of views, just not many recs. I don't care about recs.

[mcablue]

39. The link in GDP was aimed at debunking the claim that he had an "alliance with conservatives"

And the case was so strong that you have not even once addressed the fact that Kucinich and conservatives have overwhelmingly different

[LWolf]

41. Party loyalty is a distant 3rd priority.

#1: Issues. What is the reps record on issues? DK beats the pack.

#2: Character. How corruptible is the rep? DK comes with no strings attached.

#3: Party loyalty: Good, except when the party is wrong. Which it has been for much of the last 9 years.

[pecwae]

43. Is there actually a point to this OP

other than to bash a progressive which seems to be a favorite pastime for some?

[dmallind]

44. The biggest point here is not a ranking but a DU double standard

DK is "voting his conscience" for voting the way he always has and never pretended he would do otherwise, but Blue Dogs are portrayed as "bought and paid for Republican shills" for voting the way they always have and never pretended they would do otherwise. Appqarently to some here it is impossible to have an honest and principled diverging opinion from Dem orthodozy more towards the center or right, but perfectly fine and indeed noble to do so if you are further to the left. Obvious intellectual dishonesty. Basically DU has a IOKIYADK attitude towards kicking over the party.

[MadHound]

45. Well, considering that DK doesn't take corporate cash for his campaigns

While the Blue Dogs, well, I refer you to Open Secrets so that you can see for yourself who their corporate masters are.

If the foo shits:shrug:

[dmallind]

46. But I and the voters do not get corporate donations

and millions of people often agree with the Blue Dog philosophy. Is it impossible that the elected folks likewise agreed with these positions in the first place and vote accordingly? I am unaware of any great trend of Blue Dogs arising only after they started out as Greens before they got the big money.

[Vidar]

48. Kucinich, unlike the corporate democrats you worship, is loyal to the people.