This repubican hand wringing over government regs "strangling" small business .......

[Stinky The Clown]

..... makes me want to fucking hurl. I own a small business and have since 1993. Before that, I worked for a small business for many years.

Government regs have never been an issue. Rapacious BIG BUSINESS is the issue. The repubicans get the little guys to cheer for deregulation that actually HURTS little guys and gives freer reign to the big guys to pick the bones and pockets of the little guys.

And it goes unchallenged by those who are supposed to be on OUR side.

Gawd ...... I hate repubicans.

[NMDemDist2]

1. i hear ya Stinky

my accountant used to turn purple at tax time when she'd hand me my quarterly bill, she'd sputter about people making 3x what I did on 'investment income' and paying nothing while I put out close to 40% of every profit dollar.....

[laughingliberal]

5. Same here. My husband has been in business since 1982

and our tax hit was right at 40% of every dollar. I just seethe when I hear Repigs talk about small business. I've never seen them do anything that helped "small" business.

One clue what they consider small: the Senate health care bill exempts small business from the employer mandate. They define this as employers with payrolls under $500,000.

[unpossibles]

2. so true.

I've also wondered about when voters on the right complain about lobbyists corrupting the government, then in the same breath complains about the government being too large or full of regulations and whatnot. Don't they get that removing the government from the equation just makes the corporations who back those lobbyists that much more powerful?

[phasma ex machina]

7. Pugsley argues that established banks created the Fed to stifle competition.

Using the argument that the public was often defrauded by charlatans who opened new banks and then fled with depositors' funds or who failed due to lack of sound banking practices, the established banks lobbied for government regulation of the banking industry. Of course, the established banks did not want to be controlled, they just wanted the legal power to make it difficult for new banks to enter the field, and wanted to prevent the banks that did get in from engaging in competitive practices that would affect the established banks' profits. - The Alpha Strategy

Suarez believes that Proctor & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, etc created the FDA to harass new competitors.

IMHO Tyson Foods exploits refugee programs to import unassimilated neo-slaves for use as cheap labor at its food processing plants.

IBM and the like consider themselves supranational, above all governments.

From my perspective Big Gov looks like a tool of Big Biz.

[unpossibles]

9. so your solution is to remove even the semblance of control

and allow Big Business to run amok without them having to worry about the government? I mean, if your problem is that Big Biz is running the government, that says we should strengthen the government, not allow Big Biz to operate without even a pretense of control.

It's like complaining about how there are crooked cops who allow criminals to get away with too much, then calling to abolish the police so this won't happen.

[phasma ex machina]

13. My post merely offers anecdotal evidence of big biz existential symbiosis with big gov

- no solutions proffered.

[unpossibles]

16. that's productive.

Without solutions offered, it sounds like you are advocating a reduction of governmental power to regulate business, when a better solution would be a stronger set of regulatory powers which would try to prevent what you complain about.

[phasma ex machina]

17. More "be careful what you wish for, it just might come true."

Knaves always seem to somehow twist the most altruistic gov program.

Anyhow, you stay gold.
My own pessimism desperately needs a beat down. :spank: :rofl:

[unpossibles]

18. "Knaves always seem to somehow twist the most altruistic gov program."

True. They also will take advantage of any system, especially a lack of one.

Nothing wrong with being a pessimist or cynic: I am too. In fact, my cynicism is what wants me to NOT give corporations the free rein to do whatever they will.

[phantom power]

3. I've got a neighbor who runs a small business...

Over thanksgiving, he was spouting the GOP supply-side line. "Well, if they really want to stimulate the economy, they should lower taxes on small businesses."

I was tempted to ask him: "So, if your biz had lower taxes, how would that help your business stimulate the economy?"

But I know better than to bother.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. I don't know of many small businesses that are even aware of the regs.

Usually because the regs only impact the big businesses.

[phasma ex machina]

8. +1 The powers that be find it infinitely easier to control one big business with 50,000 employees

than 10,000 businesses with 5 employees. Big Gov and Big Biz, it's a symbiotic relationship.

[doc03]

6. I have to disagree that government regs have (never) been an

issue. I can give you an example: A friend of mine that owns an asphalt paving company was going to build a new equipment repair building. The building was to replace an old building in another location that he had been using for years. The first problem he ran into was he would have a couple men working in the building so he was required to put in a sewage system, couldn't use a port-a-john. He couldn't put a sewage system in because he had slightly less than an acre of ground, so he would have to purchase more ground. If you have an older home on say a quarter acre you are grandfathered in and it doesn't matter if you have ten people in the house. But because it would be new construction he needed a full acre of ground even though he only had two employees. Then he ran into another problem, even though it would only be used by his mechanics he was required to make the place handicap accessible for another several thousand dollars. What he finally ended up doing was just putting up a storage rental building.

[redqueen]

10. Yep.

Sadly the GOP has used this issue to great effect.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. There are always exceptions that prove the rule. Just as there are stupid regs put in place .....

..... with good intent. I suspect your friend ran afoul of the latter.

[Fla Dem]

15. Other than the handicap accessible issue, it sounds like most of the

other issues were local township, city, county or state compliance codes. In my experience with small businesses, other than taxes the local regulations are far more oppressive than federal regulations.

[butterfly77]

12. And I hate some Dems for..

not telling these people where to get off,they usually go on with some long speech instead of getting to the point and telling them that its BULLSHIT!

[Stinky The Clown]

14. That's what the other side of the same coin does .....