Are you willing to accept the Stupak-Pitts Language in order to pass Health care reform?

[MNDemNY]

Poll question: Are you willing to accept the Stupak-Pitts Language in order to pass Health care reform?

[MNDemNY]

1. I understand the votes for "Zebra"

I do not get the "Yes, anything for a win" votes , though

[Bucky]

6. I explained my "anything for a win" vote. Of course, as a push poll, the option missed the point

Too bad you couldn't have given us an honest poll.

[MNDemNY]

8. So you would also accept an amendment banning mixed marriage?

I think you are back to option 3.

[Ms. Toad]

2. None of the options are even close to my position -

and you intended it that way.

I used to think black and white thinking belonged to the ultra-conservatives, but that liberals/progressives were adept at much more nuanced, multi-faceted, thinking. I am learning that on a whole host of topics I a sadly mistaken.

[MNDemNY]

3. There are 6 options, not 2. feel free to give your own!

:shrug: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Ms. Toad]

10. I have no intention of participating

in a poll that is solely intended to portray as a slimeball anyone who does not believe that abortion funding must be the deciding factor in the bill.

[MNDemNY]

11. Then get out of my thread!

:sarcasm:

[Ms. Toad]

14. If your subject line had been honest, I wouldn't

have been in your thread in the first place.

[MNDemNY]

15. I'm just yankin' yer chain!

My poll is what it is. Nothing deceptive. any one can enter any answer they wish.

[Bucky]

4. The progressive cause was built up over the 20th century by incrementalism

It's a painful compromise, one of many. And it's one I wish Democrats in Congress hadn't made. But that said, Congress came up with that compromise in large part because grass roots Democrats are politically complacent. If we liberals had made more noise and swung more votes and swung more districts and had a stronger lobbying presence in DC, it might've been different. But the clock is running down and it's time to move the ball across the goal line. If we don't get an insurance bill out of Congress now, the next round of elections will go strongly in the conservatives' direction, and may just kill serious healthcare reform for another generation.

Politics is a messy process. The end product of this legislation will inevitably something the country will have to go back to time and time again before it's all brought into some kind of order. It took Great Britain 30-40 years to get their public healthcare plan into a shape that it does most things right. It's time to quit arguing for some abstract understanding of how "perfection" will look in America's healthcare plans and start the next phase--the one in which we figure out how to do it better by bitter experience.

[MNDemNY]

5. So you should vote for option 3.

[Bucky]

7. You get to tell me how to vote the day after you put up an honest poll.

I'm interested in solutions, not ideology. Solutions take time.

[MNDemNY]

9. "Any thing for a win" huh?

WOW how about an amendment eliminating the food stamp program, you down with that?

[Faryn Balyncd]

12. The main problem with healthcare "reform" is that it's not reform at all, but corporate welfare.

[MNDemNY]

13. Correct, you win a cupie doll!

[FiveGoodMen]

16. Already it was a bad bill

By the time it's actually passed it will probably say you go straight to jail if you don't have insurance and the public option won't be an option.

You want to know if I'd support something even more messed up than that just so the already-bad bill can pass???

Oh. Mother. Fucking. Hell. NO!

[MNDemNY]

18. The bill should die.

[Thickasabrick]

17. Well....the way I look at it is Medicare was really fucked when it

first started and incrementally the kinks were worked out making it what it is today - which is still a work in progress. I think if we don't get some kind of bill passed and go back to square one - we will be screwed and will have missed an opportunity for any type of healthcare for years to come. The bill will not even go into effect until 2013, which gives us lots of time to tweak it.

[MNDemNY]

19. Not nearly as fucked as thios dog.

There is nothing left.